Source of the tip? #2

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mousygirl said:
you know, now that you mention the teenagers he hung out with-- at his house playing video games according to the neighbors-- is it possible Amber was one of those teenagers? or one of her friends? this could explain why she may have felt OK getting into a car with him.
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When I heard about him playing video games with teenagers, that pretty much led me to believe he could have paid a young man to draw Amber to where he could grab her. Whether that young man knew of Gardner's real intentions, is questionable. Gardner could have lied about his motives. But then suddenly this young man finds himself trapped.

So, I have been thinking the young man walking with her is the tipster, because he is trying to de-implicate himself.
 
Voice4theSilent said:
Any cell tower in that location would more than likely cover a large area. From what others are stating, the area Amber was found in was so off the beaten path that it would have taken months to search even a few small square miles yet this search was reportedly just a few hours. I think the tip would have to have come from some other means than a ping.
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I agree with you. When you consider that the search and digging for Amber's body was done in total darkness, LE had to have a very specific location for their search. They could not, IMO, be relying on a large area (or even not so large area) indicated by cell towers.

LE arrived Friday evening and supposedly completed their search in the wee hours of Saturday morning. The search was limited in scope and very fast, which seems to indicate direct knowledge of the crime.
 
Tink56 said:
I agree with you. When you consider that the search and digging for Amber's body was done in total darkness, LE had to have a very specific location for their search. They could not, IMO, be relying on a large area (or even not so large area) indicated by cell towers.

LE arrived Friday evening and supposedly completed their search in the wee hours of Saturday morning. The search was limited in scope and very fast, which seems to indicate direct knowledge of the crime.
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It sure sounds that whoever told them the location was very exact as to where the body was.
 
Why did they say in the beginning the tip came from a hiker that found remains?
 
Obviously someone else knew exactly where body was and if so, they have no excuse IMO for not coming forward sooner, scared or not. They could have done it annonymously and LE could have told him he was connected by his DNA, which he might have been, if she had been found back then. I do not think it is possible that they were not led to exact spot by someone. It is very strange, though, if he is a serial, to have anyone in his confidence.
Just having seen him in the area or knowing he went there would not locate an exact small spot for a small grave for a small girl.
Maybe someone will be charged as accessory after the fact or they have made a plea deal to not be charged when they agreed to tell LE?
 
concentric said:
When I heard about him playing video games with teenagers, that pretty much led me to believe he could have paid a young man to draw Amber to where he could grab her. Whether that young man knew of Gardner's real intentions, is questionable. Gardner could have lied about his motives. But then suddenly this young man finds himself trapped.

So, I have been thinking the young man walking with her is the tipster, because he is trying to de-implicate himself.
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Just a theory, but I've been thinking that JAG might have befriended a native teenager on the reservation while at the casino. Maybe the boy played video games at JAG's at night, slept there, and then helped him to lure Amber in the morning. Amber was spotted with a dark skinned boy, but not black. Perhaps the boy helped to lure her, witnessed the crime, and helped JAG hide the body without being directly involved in the murder. JAG could have threatened him and he didn't feel safe until JAG was behind bars.
 
I'm not a lawyer but I think that either LE found something incriminating (Amber's check, an item of clothing etc) and confronted him and he gave up the location with the DP off the table OR they found some sort of gps information that led them there. I also think they may have found gps information on Kit Carson park hence they searched there as well. This would have come from his computer or phone or some other tracking device.

Why is it not possible that the DP is off the table and they are just waiting to file further charges and gather more evidence?

Anyone who would have tipped them to the location would have had to been there or had a map or something because like some of us have also mentioned who are familiar with the area, there is NO WAY from a general location they would find this - it is just too remote.
 
Zuckerschnecke said:
I'm not a lawyer but I think that either LE found something incriminating (Amber's check, an item of clothing etc) and confronted him and he gave up the location with the DP off the table OR they found some sort of gps information that led them there. I also think they may have found gps information on Kit Carson park hence they searched there as well. This would have come from his computer or phone or some other tracking device.

Why is it not possible that the DP is off the table and they are just waiting to file further charges and gather more evidence?

Anyone who would have tipped them to the location would have had to been there or had a map or something because like some of us have also mentioned who are familiar with the area, there is NO WAY from a general location they would find this - it is just too remote.
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I think there is snowball's chance in hell Gardner gave up the location of the body. Read up on his probation report. He never even admitted to molesting the 13 year old, he didn't admit to being attracted to young females. Dr. Carroll has wrote to the effect that Gardner takes no responsibility whatsoever for what he had done. How do you suppose he would have showed LE where the body was?
 
How close to Amber was Leticia found? From the discripition it could be the same area

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jjenny said:
I think there is snowball's chance in hell Gardner gave up the location of the body. Read up on his probation report. He never even admitted to molesting the 13 year old, he didn't admit to being attracted to young females. Dr. Carroll has wrote to the effect that Gardner takes no responsibility whatsoever for what he had done. How do you suppose he would have showed LE where the body was?
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Going by his past behavior one would conclude he wouldn't give anything up. But remember, he also pled guilty to get a lighter sentence back then so what's to say he didn't change his tune now, especially if he's confronted with compelling evidence? And like I said in my post, I'm not so convinced HE DID give up the goods - I know too much about technology to rule out something that came off his computer. Plus, the guy obviously likes going back to near the scene of the crime so if he's placed at the location where Amber was found not just once but several times over the past year - his goose his cooked.
 
I don't even believe in this tipster stuff. I think LE found something when searching JAG's PC, car, personal things etc., that lead them to Amber. Maybe he wrote about it somewhere in a journal, or drew pics about her location trying to relive the moment. I just can't believe a tipster could pin point the exact location of Amber's bones unless they were there with JAG as he disposed of her. LE didn't have to look very long for Amber, less time than they looked for Chelsea, so they had pretty good idea where Amber was.
 
Zuckerschnecke said:
I'm not a lawyer but I think that either LE found something incriminating (Amber's check, an item of clothing etc) and confronted him and he gave up the location with the DP off the table OR they found some sort of gps information that led them there. I also think they may have found gps information on Kit Carson park hence they searched there as well. This would have come from his computer or phone or some other tracking device.

Why is it not possible that the DP is off the table and they are just waiting to file further charges and gather more evidence?

Anyone who would have tipped them to the location would have had to been there or had a map or something because like some of us have also mentioned who are familiar with the area, there is NO WAY from a general location they would find this - it is just too remote.
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It's not possible to take the DP off the table and then wait to file further charges or gather more evidence. A plea deal has to encompass all of the charges (relating to that particular case) or it's a no go.
 
Seeing how he likes to revisit the scene of the crime, and in this age of technology, perhaps he revisited the scene via google map and that was his computer? BTW, did LE ever say it was an actual "tip", or did they only say they were following a "lead" and the media spun it as a "tip"?
 
Ya know, they could have just tricked it out of him. they do that in the movies all the time :) investigators lie all day long ( all perfectly legal) and maybe they lied about what they had on him and did one of those "make it easy on yourself" numbers. "It will look better for you if you tell us where she is" type of thing.
 
I still think it was the gps of a car he was driving that morning. Car was turned off at this position and X hours later when turned back on it would have re connected to the gps system. Lay a map over that and there are only a few roads and turnoffs in the 1000 or so feet gps is accurate for. Add in a cadaver dog and the basic info from chelseas murder that he didn't bother to carry the body far or try very hard to cover it up. And wa-la.

A cadaver dog would have dragged it trainer straight to any remains day or night .

This technique might not stand up too well in court hence no charges yet. Also rapid dna testing is on the mitochondral (meaning the half you get from your mother that never changes) then the killer chould only be matched to JAGs mom and any potential children her or her theoretical sitser might have given birth to or even jags uncles. More lenghty dna testing would have to be matched to the other more specific half to get that down to 1 in 1000000000 probability. From what I under stand that takes weeks to do.
 
JBean said:
Ya know, they could have just tricked it out of him. they do that in the movies all the time :) investigators lie all day long ( all perfectly legal) and maybe they lied about what they had on him and did one of those "make it easy on yourself" numbers. "It will look better for you if you tell us where she is" type of thing.
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But he lawyered up Sunday so if they knew then why search Kit Carson Park and why not go to the spot immediately? Why wait a week or so and then go in the middle of the night?
 
I just went back and listened to the first press conference where they state her remains have been identified. The Police officer never stated it was a "tip"--he said they were following a "lead". I think myself, and everyone else, went running with this "tip" thing because the PI Bill Garcia said LE received a "tip" --which he later recanted. A "lead" is not the same as a tip--now that I realize it was a "lead", I'm pretty sure no one told them--I'm pretty sure it's what some have been saying--forensic evidence from a GPS or Computer or whatever, but definitely evidence they found. Now I can sleep, because this has been driving me insane!
 
SoCalSleuth said:
But he lawyered up Sunday so if they knew then why search Kit Carson Park and why not go to the spot immediately? Why wait a week or so and then go in the middle of the night?
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Here's a guess: Smoke and mirrors. When they went to Pala, they had to cordon off the area with Police tape. But no one really noticed because we were all watching Kit Carson Park. The made a BIG deal out of draining the pond for the second day.

If only Pala had police activity going, it would have been busier on Pala-Temecula with lookyloos. As to why wait a week, I don't think they did. I think they went when they got the information, however they got it. Since they had the Kit Carson tip, they started there, made a big media thing out if it, then sent the sheriff's dept to Pala and they found her, rushed ID, then reported it in the morning when they got the ID back.

But that's JMO, because that is what I would have done, in case the remains could not be found.
 
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