GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 9

Happyshoes said:

This is from another older report but the view is from a 20 year veteran of the APD undercover unit and worth noting. I personally don't think it was a serial killer but who knows?! And drug cartel?? That doesn't ring true for me, either. It's been a long 14 weeks waiting on just some nugget of information. *sigh*

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Hi Happyshoes,

Can you please provide a link to the above information?

Thank you,
Tricia

Link was from www.wsbtv.com

Updated: 5:57 p.m. Friday, May 9, 2014 | Posted: 5:44 p.m. Friday, May 9, 2014

Former investigator sheds light on case of beheaded man, missing wife

Happyshoes said:

Link was from www.wsbtv.com

Updated: 5:57 p.m. Friday, May 9, 2014 | Posted: 5:44 p.m. Friday, May 9, 2014

Former investigator sheds light on case of beheaded man, missing wife

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http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/former-investigator-sheds-light-case-beheaded-man-/nfsSj/

Tricia said:

Hi Happyshoes,

Can you please provide a link to the above information?

Thank you,
Tricia

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:seeya: tricia

Sent from my SCH-S720C using Tapatalk 2

Did I do something wrong or not post a link correctly?

Happyshoes said:

Summers spent 20 years undercover with the Atlanta Police Department. He also worked for the Department of Defense in Afghanistan tracking bomb-makers affiliated with the Taliban and Al-Qaida.

"As an investigator, first thing I would do is look at other parts of the country and see if there are other crimes that parallel this," Summers said.

The FBI is involved, at least in part because Shirley Dermond is missing. But they would also investigate a multistate serial killer.

"If it is a serial killer, he's operating in such a way ... he's been in that community for a while."

"I'd definitely be interviewing anybody on the lake for any single males, probably white males they've seen in kayaks or canoes," Summers said.

Summers said investigators are also likely looking at a connection to organized crime.

"This is something very common with drug cartels, which is prominent in Atlanta area. Beheadings are absolutely the No. 1 way you send a message," Summers said.

Summers also said investigators are likely going through any surveillance video of nearby gas stations, convenience stores and hotels, looking for anyone who may have recently appeared in the area.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/former-investigator-sheds-light-case-beheaded-man-/nfsSj/
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This is from another older report but the view is from a 20 year veteran of the APD undercover unit and worth noting. I personally don't think it was a serial killer but who knows?! And drug cartel?? That doesn't ring true for me, either. It's been a long 14 weeks waiting on just some nugget of information. *sigh*

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Happyshoes, although I agree with many of retired APD undercover investigator Summers' assessments and recommendations. The decapitation of Mr D was obviously meant to send a message, imo. There were a couple of faulty assumptions and conclusions made by Summers, from info known on May 9, 2014 , based on myths and outdated info, imo. Also over the past three months, imo, there has been much more info revealed and many indicators that point to a likely motive, and that multiple perps were involved in the Dermond abduction/murders/decapitation..

It would be interesting, imo, if ms media would do a three month Dermond murder investigation update and re-interview Summers, and other retired law enforcement/homicide investigators, preferably retired GBI & FBI BAU profilers such as gbi Bob Ingram, R.L. Depue, John Douglas, Clint VanZandt, etc...
Happyshoes, I agree the indicators do not point to a serial killer, nor a message sent by a drug cartel??
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I noticed today that a club called Cashmere was shut down by Sheriff Sills this week in Eatonton because of an ongoing undercover investigation. There were both drug and gambling charges.

The owner of the club, an older woman, was previously the director of the place where Mrs. Dermond played duplicate bridge. In 2012, the woman was abruptly fired by the board of directors. I cannot access any of the articles that may explain exactly why she was fired, but it was a big enough deal to make the news.

Does anyone have an account with the Eatonton Messenger that might be willing to look into that? Thanks in advance

The public has definitely been left in the dark..blackout..about this case. I can't imagine why, but maybe one day we'll know.

Bethanthony said:

I noticed today that a club called Cashmere was shut down by Sheriff Sills this week in Eatonton because of an ongoing undercover investigation. There were both drug and gambling charges.

The owner of the club, an older woman, was previously the director of the place where Mrs. Dermond played duplicate bridge. In 2012, the woman was abruptly fired by the board of directors. I cannot access any of the articles that may explain exactly why she was fired, but it was a big enough deal to make the news.

Does anyone have an account with the Eatonton Messenger that might be willing to look into that? Thanks in advance

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That definitely is interesting. I'd also like to know who was ON that board of directors.

Bethanthony said:

I noticed today that a club called Cashmere was shut down by Sheriff Sills this week in Eatonton because of an ongoing undercover investigation. There were both drug and gambling charges.

The owner of the club, an older woman, was previously the director of the place where Mrs. Dermond played duplicate bridge. In 2012, the woman was abruptly fired by the board of directors. I cannot access any of the articles that may explain exactly why she was fired, but it was a big enough deal to make the news.

Does anyone have an account with the Eatonton Messenger that might be willing to look into that? Thanks in advance

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bbm: Quoting you again, Bethanthony, to say that I don't have a subscription to the EM ... but (and this is mostly for others, as I gather you probably already have all the info you'd find at the link below, Bethanthony) I do think Milledgeville, Georgia's The Union Recorder Facebook page is OK to link here ... and there is a post with some info about the recent events Bethanthony described:

https://www.facebook.com/unionrecorder?fref=nf

(And you can read this even if, like me, you don't "do" Facebook.)

Backwoods said:

bbm: Quoting you again, Bethanthony, to say that I don't have a subscription to the EM ... but (and this is mostly for others, as I gather you probably already have all the info you'd find at the link below, Bethanthony) I do think Milledgeville, Georgia's The Union Recorder Facebook page is OK to link here ... and there is a post with some info about the recent events Bethanthony described:

https://www.facebook.com/unionrecorder?fref=nf

(And you can read this even if, like me, you don't "do" Facebook.)

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Could you provide a few breadcrumbs here by providing the date of the initial post? I've followed the link and scrolled all the way back to February with no luck. Perhaps I've overlooked it?

Edwards20 said:

Could you provide a few breadcrumbs here by providing the date of the initial post? I've followed the link and scrolled all the way back to February with no luck. Perhaps I've overlooked it?

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Under the ground breaking photo, there is a box that says, something like 47 posts to page recently. Click on it, and it should take you to the story. That's how I found it. HTH

Edwards20 said:

Could you provide a few breadcrumbs here by providing the date of the initial post? I've followed the link and scrolled all the way back to February with no luck. Perhaps I've overlooked it?

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In the left column, an August 17 post. (This is about the recent events, not the firing.)

Thank You!!

https://www.facebook.com/unionrecorder/posts/10152362448218562

I hope this will give members more information about the previous discussion. I'm sorry if I've been particulary vague; I don't want to violate any rules and certainly don't want to point a finger at anyone over some piddly little offense(s). The woman cited as the club owner seems well-respected and liked in RP and Lake Oconee so it may just be making the news because of the oddity of its connection to her.

That being said, the woman who owned the club said in another publication (which I will try to link to it in a moment) that the charges stemmed from a silly misunderstanding about video games wwithin the club. That may be true, but Sills got a search warrant for her residence and the man she lives with, who also works with her at the club, is now being held WITHOUT bond until perhaps next week at the earliest. That seems rather strange to me, over a pot charge and a gambling thing that had to do with video games (slot machines?)...

Bethanthony said:

https://www.facebook.com/unionrecorder/posts/10152362448218562

I hope this will give members more information about the previous discussion. I'm sorry if I've been particulary vague; I don't want to violate any rules and certainly don't want to point a finger at anyone over some piddly little offense(s). The woman cited as the club owner seems well-respected and liked in RP and Lake Oconee so it may just be making the news because of the oddity of its connection to her.

That being said, the woman who owned the club said in another publication (which I will try to link to it in a moment) that the charges stemmed from a silly misunderstanding about video games wwithin the club. That may be true, but Sills got a search warrant for her residence and the man she lives with, who also works with her at the club, is now being held WITHOUT bond until perhaps next week at the earliest. That seems rather strange to me, over a pot charge and a gambling thing that had to do with video games (slot machines?)...

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Great job, Bethanthony! Yes, does sound odd that he is being held without bond.

Bethanthony said:

https://www.facebook.com/unionrecorder/posts/10152362448218562

I hope this will give members more information about the previous discussion. I'm sorry if I've been particulary vague; I don't want to violate any rules and certainly don't want to point a finger at anyone over some piddly little offense(s). The woman cited as the club owner seems well-respected and liked in RP and Lake Oconee so it may just be making the news because of the oddity of its connection to her.

That being said, the woman who owned the club said in another publication (which I will try to link to it in a moment) that the charges stemmed from a silly misunderstanding about video games within the club. That may be true, but Sills got a search warrant for her residence and the man she lives with, who also works with her at the club, is now being held WITHOUT bond until perhaps next week at the earliest. That seems rather strange to me, over a pot charge and a gambling thing that had to do with video games (slot machines?)...

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Thanx for sharing, Bethanthony.. Tommy Douglas Holland, is also being charged with one count each of felony possession of marijuana with intent to distribute, felony possession of methamphetamine, etc... Imo, the reason for the held on no bond/delayed bond hearing, is likely due to the intent to distribute charge against TDH..

•Tommy Douglas Holland, 48, of 307 W. Walnut St., is being held without bond on two felony charges for violation of gambling statutes and six misdemeanor gambling charges.

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https://www.facebook.com/unionrecorder/posts/10152362448218562

Sills said in an email Holland also is being charged with one count each of felony possession of marijuana with intent to distribute, felony possession of methamphetamine, and misdemeanor possession of marijuana.

"Because of his charges, a bond will not be set until next Monday at the earliest," Sills noted.

Just read an article about James Foley, and what was done to him. It brought the Dermonds back to my thoughts, and I just have to express my horror...again...that someone, walking among us, could do this to someone. Other countries have beliefs and ways of interpretation that I consider inhumane and barbaric, but Mr. and Mrs. Dermond were killed by one of our own. I so hope and pray that this case is solved...nothing I can do beyond that...but it will haunt me until that time.

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If someone shows up at your house, claiming to be a meter reader, ask for credentials. ...

...The Gray-based utility serves portions of Jones, Bibb, Baldwin, Jasper, Morgan, Putnam, Twiggs and Wilkinson counties. ...

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more at: http://www.macon.com/2014/08/21/3260663/tri-county-emc-warns-of-phony.html?sp=/99/100/&ihp=1


bbm in the quote above...

I don't think this particular impersonator had anything to do with what happened to the Dermonds, but it is in the area and made me think of some of the ruses we've discussed that might have been involved...so thought I'd post it.