NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #9

Status
Not open for further replies.
maybe the burlap sacks were not as visible at that time of year??

were any of the burlap sacks found from an above ground search?

Also there would have only been one body in burlap from 2007. the others were '09, and 2 in '10.
 
I'm surprised you didn't get your head bitten off for quoting the NY Post. I did on the last thread and was told it wasn't a reliable source. Thanks anyway for posting it.:banghead:

Some folks don't like the Post or FOXNEWS because they are owned by Rupert Murdoch. I have no problems with that. NY POST has been sued fewer times than the NY TIMES.

I give the report some credence because of Shannen's reported date with a client in Manhattan, just before her driver took her out to Oak Beach. One of the cops in question works in Midtown. He could have followed her and her driver out to OB and waited in the shadows for her. Not hard to do for someone who's been on the force for years.

Or, he could have looked at Shannen's phone while she was in the bathroom freshening up after their "date" and could have found the text giving the location of her next client, then decided to drive out there on his own.

The cop theory makes a helluva lot more sense to me than blaming JB, MP, and dear old Gus Coletti, all of whom were attempting to help her.

Or some starving artists who make creepy murals.

It also explains to me why the driver said to Gus "She's in real trouble now because you called the police." (or words to that effect.)
 
I can't tell if they mean the same area that they searched in 2007 or they mean the same area that she was found.

I don't see why they would send cadaver dogs etc...to OP when her calls were traced to Massapequa unless they had some other information to go on.

I reread and I guess the do mean OP. It seems weird that a year after she disappeared they would send cadaver dogs and helicopters to OP unless they had something to go on.

My thoughts exactly. Let's assume for a moment this information about searching OP for MBB was true. Let's say LE has some reason to connect MBB's disappearance to OP, they bring in helipcopters and cadaver dogs to look for her. But when SG goes missing from a gated community right off OP, after calling 911 and telling them someone was trying to kill her, LE doesn't think THAT is a big deal? Even though they had reason to search for the body of MBB in the very same area just a few years earlier? Where were the helicopters and cadaver dogs out searching the KNOWN area where SG went missing?

Just doesn't make sense to me. To be honest, I've always doubted the story that LE searched for MBB on OP. JMO
 
"Two NYPD cops are being eyed in the Long Island serial slayings after investigators learned they got into trouble for hiring prostitutes while working for the department, according to sources familiar with the probe.
One cop was forced out of the job in the 1990s when his supervisors learned he spent time pursuing hookers and paying street walkers and down-and-out women for sex while he was supposed to be on patrol.
An internal investigation led to his resigning under pressure, one source said.

The other officer still works for the NYPD but was stripped of his gun and badge years ago because he allegedly assaulted a prostitute and got arrested during a sting operation. "

The one still working in the Midtown location is of great interest, being that the calls to family members came from that area. The age of these two guys fits, their experience both with prostitutes and with law enforcement, their history of beatings and abuse, etc.

I think we've got some live ones here!

Thank you NY POST for not being afraid to tell the public what we need to know. If these guys are under surveillance, who knows how many girls' lives have been saved?
Is there another story? I didn't see any mention of their ages or anything about Midtown.
 
Pinkhammer...remind me again how JB tried to help Shannan Gilbert?
 
Pinkhammer...remind me again how JB tried to help Shannan Gilbert?

Tried to calm her down, let her make numerous phone calls, let her go out to her driver, etc.etc.

Not the actions of your garden variety serial killer.
 
Is there another story? I didn't see any mention of their ages or anything about Midtown.

I have deduced their ages from the statements that the one was in NYPD for years and the other was accused "in the nineties".

Now, the nineties were at least 12 years ago (1999+12=2011)... 1990 was 21 years ago. Average start age for NYPD is around 24. Guy could be anywhere from 36 to 45.

Second guy had to have some serious seniority to get desk duty and keep his pension rights, etc., after such serious charges. I make him in his mid to late forties now.
 
I read that Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Norwich CT was a card dealer...does anyone know where? Was it Foxwoods in CT? If yes, I bet that's a connection. Interesting that a Long Islander has two options when they want to gamble - Atlantic City and CT (Foxwoods.) Hmmmm...the Norwich Spa is connected to Foxwoods.
 
I read that Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Norwich CT was a card dealer...does anyone know where? Was it Foxwoods in CT? If yes, I bet that's a connection. Interesting that a Long Islander has two options when they want to gamble - Atlantic City and CT (Foxwoods.) Hmmmm...the Norwich Spa is connected to Foxwoods.

Some of us have expected the perp to be a high roller and a frequenter of casinos.
 
This article has been linked a couple of times in the forum & it keeps giving me pause about Brainard-Barnes....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/...islandserialkillervictimsbondinsupportgroup_1

Cann’s sister, Maureen Brainard-Barnes, had gone missing from her Manhattan hotel room nearly three years earlier, in July 2007. Police had subsequently linked her phone activity to a cell phone tower on Long Island. In 2008, police helicopters and cadaver dogs had scoured the same marshy, desolate area, but found no signs of Brainard-Barnes, a sweet-faced brunette with a passion for poetry.

this is leading me to believe that the killer possibly kept her remains somewhere else for quite some time....

One thing I am baffled about is why LE waited a couple of hours to send dogs and helicopters to look for SG knowing that MBB went missing in 2007. According to this story, the following year (2008) LE sent the helicopters and cadaver dogs to the same area. Why didn't this raise a red flag? It would seem this was more than a coincidence to even the most casual observer. One would have thought when they realized where SG was, they would have sent in all their reinforcements to find her. The search of the area couldn't have been too thorough for SG's sister to find her earring later on.
 
I must have missed something. What is the connection to pitbulls?

according to this article Remy from the tattoo is a person http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...=14&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

and the Remy from the pitbull website was a pitbull http://www.remyline.com/#!about who may or may not have even been born when JT was killed

Added Newsday link. - after I wrote the post.

http://www.newsday.com/lifestyle/pets/mutilated-pit-bull-bodies-found-in-manorville-woods-1.1261993



Hi Dcgrumpy, there was discussion on the last thread about dead pit bulls and decapitated chickens found in Manorville.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/item_8tdTSYY1ZsMyC91641AmHM

It seems like a possible connection, because JT's tattoo said Remy's Angel. The above article said the dogs were mutilated. Remy's group does not seem like they would kill or mutilate pit bulls. Maybe they have enemies. I think this line of thought would seem like the GB4 and Manorville aren't related. But who knows.....a lot of coincidences.

Oh, and the article is from the NY Post. :crazy:
 
I read that Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Norwich CT was a card dealer...does anyone know where? Was it Foxwoods in CT? If yes, I bet that's a connection. Interesting that a Long Islander has two options when they want to gamble - Atlantic City and CT (Foxwoods.) Hmmmm...the Norwich Spa is connected to Foxwoods.

Hi, Roosevelt; thanks. I think that you bring up an important point. Thanks to media short hand, the serial murders and Shannan Gilbert's disappearance now all seem permanently placed under the rubric of Craigslist killings. While it's true that all the young victims advertised on Craigslist (as did numerous other sex workers), they sought clients and established relationships wherever possible.
 
ITA MK ... a red herring maybe?

ETA: Wow ... only 2 NYPD cavorting with prostitutes since 1990? Gotta be a record for any PD ;)

Now let's see. They began looking at the NYPD cops because it was determined "it is likely" they worked in law enforcement because they used disposable cellphones to call the family and they are suspicious because the calls were made from Midtown and one of the cops works in Midtown. Bombshell tonight!
 
Hi, Roosevelt; thanks. I think that you bring up an important point. Thanks to media short hand, the serial murders and Shannan Gilbert's disappearance now all seem permanently placed under the rubric of Craigslist killings. While it's true that all the young victims advertised on Craigslist (as did numerous other sex workers), they sought clients and established relationships wherever possible.

He had to start somewhere...I think he learned about Craigslist from one of the first girls he happened upon who offered her "services", maybe at a casino, then after that relationship "ended," he had Craigslist to go to for more easier encounters??? Check the hotel records in CT with LI records for a match?

As for contact with these women, I'm sure the SK doesn't want to leave a trail of communication...but I hope that LE knows that there are chat rooms on so many gambling websites that would be hard to trace. If the SK is skilled in Craigslist, he is skilled at the computer and knows how to stay under the radar...especially if he is married!
 
Added Newsday link. - after I wrote the post.

http://www.newsday.com/lifestyle/pets/mutilated-pit-bull-bodies-found-in-manorville-woods-1.1261993



Hi Dcgrumpy, there was discussion on the last thread about dead pit bulls and decapitated chickens found in Manorville.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/item_8tdTSYY1ZsMyC91641AmHM

It seems like a possible connection, because JT's tattoo said Remy's Angel. The above article said the dogs were mutilated. Remy's group does not seem like they would kill or mutilate pit bulls. Maybe they have enemies. I think this line of thought would seem like the GB4 and Manorville aren't related. But who knows.....a lot of coincidences.

Oh, and the article is from the NY Post. :crazy:


But that group didn't even exist when JT was killed
 
I'm kinda on the fence here...but I would like to know if either of these cops grew up in the area...or in Manorville...but thinking about it , a cop has a lot of built in advantages
if he wants to be a killer.

a badge can fly two ways...

build trust or threaten and intimidate....has regulation handcuffs...has extensive knowledge...has a gun.

still ...
 
I have wondered if SG's 911 call was being monitored by someone in Oak Beach who was listening to a police scanner, and he/she decided to take advantage of the situation and managed to locate her.
 
One thing I am baffled about is why LE waited a couple of hours to send dogs and helicopters to look for SG knowing that MBB went missing in 2007. According to this story, the following year (2008) LE sent the helicopters and cadaver dogs to the same area. Why didn't this raise a red flag? It would seem this was more than a coincidence to even the most casual observer. One would have thought when they realized where SG was, they would have sent in all their reinforcements to find her. The search of the area couldn't have been too thorough for SG's sister to find her earring later on.

I remember reading a report stating that according to SG's family, SCPD never took SG's disappearance seriously. SG's family had to hire a private investigator and sought help from a NYPD (i believe) detective to get SCPD to take the case seriously.
It was almost a year later, after the bodies were accidentally discovered that the case was taken seriously, otherwise we probably wouldn't even be talking about it right now.
 
I remember reading a report stating that according to SG's family, SCPD never took SG's disappearance seriously. SG's family had to hire a private investigator and sought help from a NYPD (i believe) detective to get SCPD to take the case seriously.
It was almost a year later, after the bodies were accidentally discovered that the case was taken seriously, otherwise we probably wouldn't even be talking about it right now.
Just unbelievable how negligent they were.

Sherre said it was the day after the first body was found off OP that LE came to their house - which was in Dec about 7 mos after she disappeared. They told the family about their find and they said they thought there was a good chance it was Shannan.

I believe the next day two more bodies were found, and either that day or a day or two later LE again went to their house to tell them Shannan was not among the bodies.

Imagine what this family went through. xox
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
128
Guests online
2,067
Total visitors
2,195

Forum statistics

Threads
589,995
Messages
17,928,853
Members
228,037
Latest member
shmoozie
Back
Top