GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #5

kittythehare said:

Nice to see you again, its been a long time.
This case just came in, trial finished today
have a read.. its bizarre to my eyes
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/nyregion/naeem-davis-subway-death-ki-suck-han.html

some similarities..

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searchinGirl said:

My opinion only, but I think Thomas Martens is going to take credit for the whole thing. He's going to stand proud and say it was justified. Tell his story and let the jury decide. It doesn't sound like the excessive force will be an issue with dropping voluntary manslaughter.

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emmalpage81 said:

Just considering the article in yesterday's mail (Stephan many thanks for getting that up yesterday). I note that a neighbour (not the one who was with them) suggested that JC, MM and another couple were outside the home. JC and the neighbour having a few beers after doing the lawn and the two women chatting and providing snacks. The children were playing on the green. He suggested this was between 5pm and 9pm.

So when did the call to the parents occur? Before they went outside? MM collected the children from the sleepover at 11pm (ish) so did the argument or falling out which required her parents to be called occur after 9?

All IMO

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emmalpage81 said:

Just considering the article in yesterday's mail (Stephan many thanks for getting that up yesterday). I note that a neighbour (not the one who was with them) suggested that JC, MM and another couple were outside the home. JC and the neighbour having a few beers after doing the lawn and the two women chatting and providing snacks. The children were playing on the green. He suggested this was between 5pm and 9pm.

So when did the call to the parents occur? Before they went outside? MM collected the children from the sleepover at 11pm (ish) so did the argument or falling out which required her parents to be called occur after 9?

All IMO

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stmarysmead said:

Did the party break up when the parents arrived? I would imagine that was when the children left for their sleepover. I don't know about the rest of you, but among my circle of friends, ringing the doorbell at 11pm and collecting the kids is both rude and odd. I wonder what she said.

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stmarysmead said:

Here's another puzzle.

We are being asked to believe that the Martens believed Molly was being abused. Furthermore, that belief was exacerbated by the warning given to Tom by Mr Fitzpatrick, that Jason had murdered his first wife.

So how do you manage this situation from4 hours away?

You don't. A secret phone isn't going to get you there in time to save your daughter.

So why did they leave their daughter in that situation? Why did the FBI director not avail himself of every tool under the law to keep his only daughter safe?

Oh, because they didn't want to lose the children, says the Defense. So, by that theory, from 4 hours away, they risk their "abused" daughters life every day...her life is less important than custody? No phone call would get them there in time to "save" her. They would have to call police.Did they ever call police? Then what kind of "abuse" was this?

The actions of the Martens family do not indicate that they were trying to "manage" their daughter's safety. But they might have tried to manage the swings of her mental illness. "Call us if Molly starts with the insomnia, if she goes days without sleeping." "Call us if she is weeping for hours in the bathtub, unable to function." "Call us if she goes off her medications."

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emmalpage81 said:

Absolutely! It is a 4.5 hour drive. If there were concerns about MM's safety then why not call RM who lives half the length of time away, why not call the police, why not call one of MM's friends. If - as has been suggested JC - and MM were both socialising for a number of hours, where is the danger that made them come down?

I do not believe they were concerned about her safety. I think something was said that day that made her scared that she was going to lose the children. I think she thought her parents could talk JC around and, maybe they did, but for whatever reason she abruptly collected the children at an unspeakable hour (i don't care what anyone says unless there is a bereavement in the family you do not go knocking on someones door at 11pm at night); she wanted the children in her close proximity and JC ended up dead.

All IMO

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stmarysmead said:

Here's another puzzle.

We are being asked to believe that the Martens believed Molly was being abused. Furthermore, that belief was exacerbated by the warning given to Tom by Mr Fitzpatrick, that Jason had murdered his first wife.

So how do you manage this situation from4 hours away?

You don't. A secret phone isn't going to get you there in time to save your daughter.

So why did they leave their daughter in that situation? Why did the FBI director not avail himself of every tool under the law to keep his only daughter safe?

Oh, because they didn't want to lose the children, says the Defense. So, by that theory, from 4 hours away, they risk their "abused" daughters life every day...her life is less important than custody? No phone call would get them there in time to "save" her. They would have to call police.Did they ever call police? Then what kind of "abuse" was this?

The actions of the Martens family do not indicate that they were trying to "manage" their daughter's safety. But they might have tried to manage the swings of her mental illness. "Call us if Molly starts with the insomnia, if she goes days without sleeping." "Call us if she is weeping for hours in the bathtub, unable to function." "Call us if she goes off her medications."

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searchinGirl said:

How do you know this entire scenario isn't about changing plans? That Molly asked her parents to come down to do something the next day. Perhaps that's what Molly and Jason were fighting about? BTW it's "manic", not "maniac".

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emmalpage81 said:

Absolutely! It is a 4.5 hour drive. If there were concerns about MM's safety then why not call RM who lives half the length of time away, why not call the police, why not call one of MM's friends. If - as has been suggested JC - and MM were both socialising for a number of hours, where is the danger that made them come down?

I do not believe they were concerned about her safety. I think something was said that day that made her scared that she was going to lose the children. I think she thought her parents could talk JC around and, maybe they did, but for whatever reason she abruptly collected the children at an unspeakable hour (i don't care what anyone says unless there is a bereavement in the family you do not go knocking on someones door at 11pm at night); she wanted the children in her close proximity and JC ended up dead.

All IMO

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stmarysmead said:

I picture her...speculation only...in the midst of one her maniac spells of sequential insomnia. I wonder if she were not wandering the house after everyone went to bed...just fuming...adding to her rage. She goes to the garage, gets the bat...steps out and picks up a landscape stone...then heads into the Master bedroom to begin to brutally assault her husband. Maybe TM heard her raging...ran up to intervene.

Sharon never came upstairs to "save" her daughter. More likely, she didn't come upstairs because it was always Tom that handled Mollys violent outbursts.

Would you not call 911if your elderly husband was heading upstairs to try to save your daughter from a brute that you believed murdered his first wife?

I strongly believe you would.

But you certainly WOULD NOT call 911 if the raging maniac was your daughter. You'd just hope Daddy could manage her.

Why didn't Sharon call 911?

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emmalpage81 said:

MM could very well have asked her parents to come down to do something the following day. However i am keeping in mind that they had only left to go home a few days prior as they were down when WC was visiting from Ireland. What is being suggested is that TM and SM already had plans; that these plans were changed suddenly so that they could travel that day to North Carolina. If, as you suggest, it was because MM needed or wanted them to do something for her the following day why would they not keep to their original plans (remembering that others said it was highly unusual for TM to change plans as he did on the Saturday) and travel down on the Sunday morning?

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searchinGirl said:

I think the term is "manic" not "maniac". Just saying.

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