Newbie Club Thread #3

Lovejac said:

It looks like us newbies are being well taken care of by JBean. Im used to being ignored, I live with 4 males!!!:bang:

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CrimeBella said:

Hi everyone!! I used to post here during the Laci Peterson case, but could not remember my username so I re-registered.

Just wanted to see if something could get clarified for me..

Are Tony, Jesse and Morales (sp) ALL Casey's exes that are ALL former LE?

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Lovejac said:

It looks like us newbies are being well taken care of by JBean. Im used to being ignored, I live with 4 males!!!:bang:

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lovesbooks said:

QUESTION: What did GM mean when she said I've given you a month. I'm not giving you one more day.

The must have had some discussion a month prior to that or she had been wanting to see/talk to Caylee and hadn't for a monyh.

What do other newbies think?

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auntbaby said:

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::
Just wanna say Hello to everybody new on our thread. Don't wanna leave anybody out. :woohoo: :Welcome-12-june::hug::woohoo:

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CHICANA said:

Jesse and Morales, and if I understand correctly, they both left LE recently.

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gypsiechavi said:

This may all be common sense, but I think looking at new information when it comes in and making a judgment call is not the best way. I think a lot of the general public and the news blurbs forget to take the new information and add it to and review it against the old information. It seems a lot of the new information is put out to correct the initial info which is the best info because it is real and on spot. There has not been enough time to create anything. The first reaction is always the best and most telling IMO.

Sorry if this is a long post. Feel free to skip it.

When the story first broke, it was automatically a missing child case. There was a missing child after all. Then we hear the first 911 calls. THEY ARE CRUCIAL IMO because it goes to show state of mind of Cindy and Casey. Now mind you Casey knows what happened to Caylee at the time of the calls, but her reaction cannot be mistaken for anything other than callous.

Now feel free to correct me if I am wrong. There is a lot of misinformation going around and it's difficult to weed through the good posts and the "feeling" posts.

Cindy gets the notice about the car. As a mother my first thought would be fear based. The other day, my 13 years old daughter walked to school as she does every morning at 7am. At 10:30am I get an automated call from the school saying she is absent. IMMEDIATELY I am in fear mode! I am dialing the school and trying to remember what she was wearing and thinking the worst. Natural reaction. The school verifies she is there and it was a misunderstanding. Whew! So when Cindy, who has not "seen" Casey or Caylee since Father's day gets this notice of the car being towed and abandoned her first reaction is most likely fear and may be anger knowing how her daughter is.

Cindy to me appears to be an enabler personality. She controls how she and her family are seen in the public eye, even if in reality she has no control. Her home must look a certain way, her family must be viewed in a certain light, and she is probably the keeper of all the family secrets. This is my opinion after observing her.

So, Cindy gets the car back. First thing anyone would do is rifle through it for information and call the last person to have the vehicle, Casey. I have no idea if her phone records were checked or if Casey's show Cindy calling her at that moment. She finds Amy's resume and contacts her who then gives Cindy Casey's location. I am unsure if she had opened the trunk at this point but I will speculate she found what she needed when finding the resume and ceased her search at that point. So, now fear is over and this is just Casey being Casey (irresponsible and who knows what else) in her mind. Cindy is angry and frustrated. She has lost control of the situation.

She retrieves Casey and they have it out. At this point Cindy is furious with Casey and wants to teach her a lesson. What ever Casey has been up to is about to come to a head and Cindy has the ability now to regain control. She does so by calling 911 to have Casey arrested. This way she can at least say she is a good mother trying to teach her daughter a lesson and in the long run Casey will thank her and she will appear to be the hero mother sacrificing herself by doing the right thing.

We know that there was no Caylee and I speculate Cindy was concerned. I believe Cindy knew Casey's habits were to pawn Caylee off on anyone willing to watch her or worse, take Caylee with her to these parties and stick her in a room with the tv. So at this point she was probably thinking Caylee was with a friend of Casey's. Casey is hitting her with complete resistance in the car at the police station during the first call and Cindy tries to regain control by threatening to out Casey's secrets and gain custody of little Caylee. Cindy still has no reason to think anything bad happened to Caylee.

The 911 call where Cindy freaks out about an odor. I speculate that while Cindy was in the car with Casey, George was at the house checking the car. That is what anyone would do who just got their car back from a tow lot. He opens the trunk and smells something wrong. Meanwhile Cindy and Casey fight. Cindy most likely continues the threats again trying to regain control. She is angry and rightly so. Casey is of no help and the threats have no effect because they have been made repeatedly IMO through the years with no real consequences. She calls 911 again and by this time George has most likely shown Cindy the trunk hence the "smells like a dead body" remark. Meanwhile Casey is in the bedroom with Lee. Cindy's world is spinning out of control.

The most important evidence to me is Casey's interaction with the 911 operator. She is not upset. She is breathing normally. She appears in no way impacted by the day's events. The 911 operator on the other hand appears shocked and scolds Casey. Remember, these 911 operators hear it all and for the operator to react this way is very telling.

So the police arrive and Casey is questioned. She lies and the police know it and call her on it. They even offer to let her change her story in the hopes this can be resolved. I think that says a lot about how Cindy, George, Lee and Casey were behaving at the time. A family unit, no matter how functional or dysfunctional will not turn on one another unless they whole heartedly believe it's best to cut the line and save everyone else. Caylee is missing and they have turned on her. That was their initial reaction. George telling the police "something is wrong" is what I base this on.

Casey knows what to expect when the police arrive. I speculate she really has no fear of police considering her background. She may even be thinking that her family will fix this, tell the police everything is fine (after all the car is returned and it's just a family spat), and nothing will happen...no arrest. But the police aren't there about the car anymore. They are there because Caylee is missing. Casey lies and continues to lie. She is arrested.

Aside from that, there is no real evidence. There is the car, the searches, the photos of her partying, gas cans, and lies. Nothing more. No body, no babysitter, no friends coming forward with any pertinent information, just speculation and a missing girl. The cell phone pings may be helpful but without information from Casey or any of her friends during that period, I doubt they are of any use. They will be more important once Caylee is found in prosecuting Casey.

And the media circus begins. Background searches of friends on myspace begin. The hunt for who Casey really is soon starts. It's not good what is found. More lies from Casey. Cindy trying to control the media and how her family is presented. Washing clothing, taking interviews, giving house tours. It's all to control how Cindy is perceived. Then visit calls are released. Still no one comes forward. Casey is showing no remorse or concern. Now if, IF Caylee was alive and Casey did nothing wrong, she would indeed be assisting with the search by talking to police. After all, in the very beginning, if Casey could have taken them to Caylee none of this would have transpired. It would just be trouble about the car and it could all be fixed and forgiven. By her not talking, she is perpetuating the assumption by many that she did something to Caylee.

The visit call between Cindy and Casey is interesting too and backs my thoughts on Cindy being the family keeper of secrets. Casey says,

"I just saw your nice little cameo on TV."

Casey is sarcastic and pissed.

"I don't want any of you guys coming up here when I have my first hearing for bond," Anthony tells her brother Lee Anthony. "Like don't even (expletive) waste your time."

Casey is in trouble, she knows it and she is feeling sorry for herself. She has been betrayed by her family (in her eyes) and there is nothing they can do to save her.

"You don't know what my involvement is in (inaudible)?" Casey Anthony asked. Like yes you do but you're not saying.

"Casey," Cindy Anthony said. "Don't say anymore".

"Mom," Casey Anthony said. "You and I both know"

I have had these conversations with people. It is ALWAYS about a secret that you do not want to speak out loud but you want to get the point across that you know and they should know you know.

So what does Cindy know? Is Casey trying to say simply that what she told her mother about a babysitter is true and she is angry her mother doesn't believe her and she ended up in jail because of it? Or is it Casey's way of saying you know how I live. You know I am a screw up. You tell me this all of the time. So you know what happened to her. After all I am in jail.

Everything since the 911 calls and the initial visit calls has been nothing short of a shiny red ball to distract people. The truth is hiding in the first few days this story broke.

Re-read the complete transcript of the first jail house call. This is the entire thing, not just the blurbs they show on the boob tube. http://www.local6.com/news/16993169/detail.html

Tell me what you think!

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Wine sleuth said:

Hi! This is my 1st post. I have lurked for 6 weeks. I'm glad to have other newbies around.

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JBean said:

Hi Lovejac. I have 5 sons and one hub. They were not allowed to ignore me when they were all living at home

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krimekat said:

Hey, fellow Newbies!!! Do you know Websleuths have a chat room? It's awesome - http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69168

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Kelsy_C said:

I have looked and can't find much info on the period of time between June 9-June 15th. Does anyone know if Caylee's whereabouts have been confirmed for this time. Casey told her friends that Caylee was with the babysitter while she went on a "mini-vacation" with Jeff Hopkins. Was Caylee with Cindy and George during this time?

I did find this http://investigation.discovery.com/...erage/timeline/june9-june14/june9-june14.html. So... where was Caylee during this time?

Maybe... just maybe if Casey had given Caylee to ZG from the 9-12 and she was returned, Casey would have no reason to think that Caylee wouldn't be returned the next time.

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