UT - Ethan Stacy, 4, Layton, 10 May 2010 - #3

sunflowerchick said:

What just gets me about the picture is that he is sitting on the lap of the monster who did that to him... There are so many things just horribly wrong with that. And knowing that his mother is standing there taking the picture instead of grabbing him and running out the door is just sickening. :furious:

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nursebeeme said:

by that point in time he would be lucky to even be able to turn his head let alone climb into a tub and turn a faucet handle.

I go back to this point: WHY did Stephaniefreakingsloop even TAKE those pictures that would incriminate her in the future???? For example: Ethan goes back home from the summer and says he was hit and than says mommy took my picture.

TWO DAYS AFTER THE JAW PICTURE they are locking him in his room while they go get freaking married. Why so early? What was the change of plans???? Why get married before the date you set on your KNOT PROFILE?

I think that early on beating was the point of no return for them and they had to keep going with it. Perhaps they thought a marriage would help them in the long run. Either way, this child was obviously beaten from the second his Daddy walked away from him... viciously and unmercifully.

I wouldn't be surprised if the first beating is what rendered the head trauma either. That picture taken on 4 May was very telling of earlier trauma and obvious signs of such (lethargy, somnolence, inanimation for a child of that age in his facial features as well as his extremeties)

I still tend to think that after the first beating he kept going downhill and that the "feces" was actually coffee ground emesis (him throwing up blood into his mouth from his upper/and or lower GI tract/abdomen being beaten).

Just another thought.. but the "scalding bath" could have been another of their methods to "wake him up" from the coma they induced. Or to wash him off.

Again I hope Stephanie Sloop is seriously looked at before tomorrow morning when charges are formally filed.

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karma-girl said:

I would bet that little Ethan cried for his Daddy saying he wanted to go home and that is when tension in that home began to rise...NS didn't want to hear about 'Daddy' and SS wanted to punish Daddy!

(regarding that screencap, yes I also see a bruised, swollen jaw and lower lip!)

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...In their marital settlement agreement, the court prohibited Ethan's maternal grandmother and her husband from having any contacting with Ethan, Stephanie or Joe Stacy but the documents did not indicate why...

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Calliope said:

I didn't see the video, just the screen capture but I agree with you. That's no fresh injury.

I'll also say this... that in and of itself proves to me she wasn't documenting his injuries because she was "scared" of NS.

She was taking videos of Ethan and NS having "fun". It was a home movie IOW. I could tell even from the still photo he wasn't right. Very flat.

Hitting anyone in the head, even the jaw, and especially of someone that small can still cause brain injury. Contrecoup where the brain 'bounces' off the opposite side of the skull. Jaw hit or not, I'm sure he was showing effects of brain trauma.

As far as the coffee-ground emesis, no doubt. Probably from swallowing blood or an abdominal hit, or possibly he'd developed a stress ulcer. A victim of severe trauma + ibuprofen? Vomiting blood? Wonder how much ibuprofen they were pouring down little Ethan? If I'm not mistaken, those can occur fairly quickly, within the first 48 hours of a trauma. You're the critical care nurse though, I'm not so well-versed in that respect.

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nursebeeme said:

by that point in time he would be lucky to even be able to turn his head let alone climb into a tub and turn a faucet handle.

I go back to this point: WHY did Stephaniefreakingsloop even TAKE those pictures that would incriminate her in the future???? For example: Ethan goes back home from the summer and says he was hit and than says mommy took my picture.

TWO DAYS AFTER THE JAW PICTURE they are locking him in his room while they go get freaking married. Why so early? What was the change of plans???? Why get married before the date you set on your KNOT PROFILE?

I think that early on beating was the point of no return for them and they had to keep going with it. Perhaps they thought a marriage would help them in the long run. Either way, this child was obviously beaten from the second his Daddy walked away from him... viciously and unmercifully.

I wouldn't be surprised if the first beating is what rendered the head trauma either. That picture taken on 4 May was very telling of earlier trauma and obvious signs of such (lethargy, somnolence, inanimation for a child of that age in his facial features as well as his extremeties)

I still tend to think that after the first beating he kept going downhill and that the "feces" was actually coffee ground emesis (him throwing up blood into his mouth from his upper/and or lower GI tract/abdomen being beaten).

Just another thought.. but the "scalding bath" could have been another of their methods to "wake him up" from the coma they induced. Or to wash him off.

Again I hope Stephanie Sloop is seriously looked at before tomorrow morning when charges are formally filed.

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nursebeeme said:

Both of the former spouses of Nathan and Stephanie Sloop were also fearful for the safety of their children because of the unstable behavior of their exes.

The biological father of Ethan Stacy described his ex-wife Stephanie Sloop as "unstable" and said he feared she would take their son and he'd never see him again.

The former wife of Nathan Sloop described him as mentally unstable, violent, and having multiple personalities — including one personality who becomes extremely angry when criticized. She said she feared for her life and for her daughter's life.

The divorce documents include transcripts of profanity-laced tirades that Nathan Sloop — who prosecutors plan to charge Friday with the murder of his stepson — left in a series of voice mail messages for his former wife, Jennifer Freeman, one day in September.

"I only wish now that I could (expletive) take you out of (their daughter's) life. I am going to do every (expletive) thing possible within my power to take you the (expletive) out of her life (expletive). I don't give a (expletive) if I gotta spend the rest of my (expletive) life in prison. (Expletive) you. I'm coming after your (expletive) throat," he said in one voice mail message.

In another, Nathan Sloop allegedly threatened to kill Freeman's boyfriend "Mike," and then added, "You'll be next in line."

Nathan Sloop left five voice mail messages in less than 20 minutes and six within 90 minutes, according to the court documents.

"He hugs my (expletive) daughter, he comes near my (expletive) daughter, he is (expletive) done. Over," one message said.

Nathan Sloop and Freeman had one daughter together. She turns 6 later this month. The daughter, who was born in Utah


http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...red-couple-accused-in-Ethan-Stacys-death.html

much more at link

what an explosive and deadly combination that little Ethan walked into.

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nursebeeme said:

ella971,
I am so sorry to hear that you went through this! I am sure this case touches many nerves for you... ((((((((((((big hug)))))))))))))) and glad you are here with us

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nursebeeme said:

yes... it IS! Refer back to that bruise timeline I posted. Not to mention, in my past I have been a school nurse as well as pediatric nurse and involved in abuse cases. This bruise on the 4th of may was PURPLE AND BLACK. That means that he was hit on the left side of his jaw around 1-2 may for it to look like THAT!

Yes, his jaw could have been broken... but my GOD these people allegedly took apart his little face with a HAMMER post mortem. I would argue that it would be to disguise fractures already and previously inflicted. Sorry for them but the post mortem will be able to determine relative timing of those fractures. I am sure any of the older fractures from 1-2 may would have started the re-ossification process that all little people posses. The cellular and microscopic evidence of that would have still been there... if only in fragments-after the post mortem hammer blows.

BTW, I still need to get vetted by Tricia as a professional in my field... but I am one.. and I am headed off to do this now. I am telling you...... these are older bruises with possible fracture... and this was on 4 May.

And this throws Sloop-ma into a WHOLE different area for me if she saw this child in or around the time of injury.

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cluciano63 said:

I am thinking there is going to be battered woman defense here-including that he forced her to get married last week (or whatever date it what, I have seen 3 dates) so that she could not testify against him...defense will say she was taking the photos for when she had the nerve to break free...that she was in shock, any number of things.

I am not saying any jury will buy it, or should, but I see this coming, unless she takes a plea in advance in order to get him convicted on capital murder. His family and others indicating that he was violent, bound to kill someone sooner or later, will be in her favor by a good defense lawyer...just my opinion...not saying I think she is a battered woman. I know many people here have been in abusive situations and I never have, so not sure how far a woman would go or what she might do, or not do, if in a certain frame of mind.

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Fairy1 said:

So she won't have to tesitfy against him. That is my fear.

Best case scenario, IMO; take them both off of suicide watch, put them in the GP and let true justice be served.

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RubyRed said:

Jail staffers are keeping a close eye on Nathan and Stephanie Sloop. Right now, they are separated from the general public in isolated cells. The two are not on suicide watch, but they have talked to mental health evaluators to deal with stress.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=10763286

They are under stress. BOO HOO

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cluciano63 said:

I am thinking there is going to be battered woman defense here-including that he forced her to get married last week (or whatever date it what, I have seen 3 dates) so that she could not testify against him...defense will say she was taking the photos for when she had the nerve to break free...that she was in shock, any number of things.

I am not saying any jury will buy it, or should, but I see this coming, unless she takes a plea in advance in order to get him convicted on capital murder. His family and others indicating that he was violent, bound to kill someone sooner or later, will be in her favor by a good defense lawyer...just my opinion...not saying I think she is a battered woman. I know many people here have been in abusive situations and I never have, so not sure how far a woman would go or what she might do, or not do, if in a certain frame of mind.

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