FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #13

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I have been following this case and threads closely, but have only posted once many many threads ago...I'm generally more of a lurker and very frequent thanker LOL:)

Here are my thoughts as of now, in no particular order:

  • The first day or two of the case, before we knew of Dale Jr.'s past, I thought he was certainly just incredibly unlucky or possibly even being framed. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. However, after hearing about the murder when he was 21 or so, I began to reconsider, and am absolutely of the thought that he is the culprit, with the possible (probable even perhaps) assistance of an accomplice, most likely after the fact.
  • I am certainly not going to be convinced to feel guilty for coming to that conclusion, although I'm not married to the idea. I am not writing off the idea of someone else, but my reasoning powers and Spidey Senses tingling tell me Dale Jr. is the Prime Suspect for a very good reason. I agree that it seems rare that LE publicly names someone that and I trust they are doing a fabulous job.
  • I appreciate that LE has been choosy in giving out information. *Sigh* I know this infiltrates every thread on WS, but oh boy the FCA trial 'bout did me in! While I appreciate access to information, being curious as we all are, I appreciate more anything that may help rightly convict the rightful culprits in the future.
  • I don't really have a problem with the Star Wars/Sci-Fi thing. I started using the web back in 1993 to play a text-based online game based on Star Wars, and I'm a generally un-nerdy female *shrug*. People have hobbies. I coupon because I'm an underpaid and undervalued early childhood educator. My husband reads graphic novels and plays video games (he's really a rather mature person and plays mature games). Other people garden, shop, collect everything from bottle tops to yachts and everything in-between, are involved in church, politics, or, like my dad, get so excited going to a conference on Noxious Weeds twenty years ago that we're still remembering it today :crazy: And really, the Star Wars stuff could be looked at as an investment, seeing as those items can be/become quite valuable. Now that guy I dated back in '97 who actually played with his Star Wars figurines daily, that was a bit much for me personally, but some other woman ended up marrying him, so? As long as Dale Jr. can afford to care for his children, I don't have a problem with the Star Wars stuff...do I think he should go ahead and sell some of it instead of asking for money on FB? Hecks yeah! At the very least, he needs to have the appearance of doing something. I doubt he's caring for the twins 24/7 as it is...I'm sure his family is assisting.
  • Speaking of family assisting, I'm incredibly suspicious of his parents. I don't think either one necessarily participated in a murder, assuming one took place. However, I do think they helped him afterwards...it's possible, IMO, that dad knew much more of the details and helped with actual dirty work while mom took care of the kids and may or may not have all the details...not at first, at least. Maybe now.
  • I really do not in any way believe this is a case of her running off. The only way that would be remotely believable for me is if she was in a soap opera and got amnesia and is in some remote area that has no access to media. Of course people says nice things about the victim in these sort of situations, but now there's been enough time that, IMO, there would have been some mention, in comments on the Orlando Sentinel articles at least. There never seems to be a shortage of trolls there.
  • Every day, I'm amazed at Michelle's physical beauty, and the glow of inner beauty she emits in every single photo.
  • I'm glad I don't live where there are toll roads. I can only remember seeing a handful of toll booths in my entire life and I'm okay with that:)
  • I'm not convinced he couldn't have done this alone and with the twins present. As many have noted, when people become homicidal, they often do not that their children into consideration. I work with preschoolers who are, at such a tender age, considered "at-risk" for a variety of issues in their futures. So many of my students have witnessed horrible violence, perpetrated on their mothers in front of them in domestic violence situations. I've taught kids who has both parents in prison for both participating in murdering the mom's extracurricular boyfriend (!) I've seen the proof that people commit violent acts in front of their children.
  • Also, he's an ex-marine. Their training extends beyond handing out toys for tots every year.
  • Hmm...is that all? I think for now it is...this post is long enough as it is:)
  • Thank you for your time and I appreciate all the posts and sleuthing and modding going on around here! WS is the best :rocker:
  • :eek:fftobed:

Wow! This was an interesting read, Flourish! Your statements about students having seen acts of violence committed in front of them by family members hit close to home for me. I, too, am a (retired) elementary school teacher, and have discovered that the family lives of some students are pretty unimaginable! But then we hear about these situations time and time again, and learn to pick up nuances which may indicate the occurrances. It tends to make us teachers jaded, too1

I agree with the statement you made about DS2's ex-Marine training. I would imagine this type of training becomes imbedded in a person's psyche, and would come into play in a critical situation before the mind really knows how to make a next step. (Again, I would welcome any ex-Marine Sleuthers out there in cyberspace to give us some practical information regarding the effect of ex-Marine training, and how this might have affected DS2's decisions). Please note that I am highly respectful of all military personnel, and that I have (and still) entertain the idea to become involved in a military-type boot camp for reasons of getting in shape, self protection, and self reliance.

Anyway, thanks again for your post, Flourish!

This rambling message of mine indicates to me that.....:bedtime:
 
Today was like a:rollercoaster:. We had some good :floorlaugh:. At times I wanted to :drink:. We didn't have alot to sleuth :detective:. But now it's :bedtime:. Happy trails :bud:. Let's all :praying: for Michelle to come home :grouphug:. ...and :justice: is served!
 
Also, since I can't manage to get to bed, another thought occurred to me:
Even if the twins don't disclose anything "useful" or "indicating a violent act happened in front of them," that doesn't mean they didn't actually see it. These little guys have an amazing ability to "check out" and/or suppress things. Just today, another teacher was telling me about how when she was little and her mom was having affair with her dad's brother, the mom used to tell her that she was "seeing things" and that the uncle hadn't been there when indeed he had been. Her own mom was essentially gas-lighting* her so she could keep ****ing this guy! I'm not saying Dale Jr. did/is doing anything like that, but the cruelty that adults can show children never fails to sicken and amaze me. Like it was mentioned above, teachers do become jaded, so in a sense I'm not really amazed, but just continuously incredulous.

*Gas-lighting refers to an old movie where a guy made his wife think she was going insane, and therefore kind of actually go insane, by messing with the gaslights in their home.
 
My opinions only, no facts here:

I would like some comments regarding this segment of my timeline, particularly if you are from the area and know the roads.

I am looking at the early part of my timeline. Here are my assumptions:

1) the daycare where Michelle’s two children were situated is located near where she lives.
2) Michelle lives in Geneva.
3) Michelle got up, did her normal activities, including putting on her cross necklace.
4) On the day of the disappearance, Michelle’s older son went to school, she dropped her two younger kids off at a daycare in or very near Geneva, and had coffee and a chat with her new boyfriend.
5) Michelle may have went back home and watched the airing of the TV court episode at 2:00 PM that involved her and her ex-boyfriend, although this might create a crunch in the timeline.
6) Michelle drove the short distance to her mother’s beauty salon in Oviedo, and left by 2:30 PM. At this point, if Michelle had not seen the TV court episode herself, she probably heard an earful about it.
7) Michelle drove back to the Geneva area, picked up her two kids from the daycare at about 2:45 PM and began the drive to her ex-boyfriend's house (25 miles approx?).

Here is my question: could Michelle average 40 to 45 mph for such a trip? Or is such an average speed impossible in that region of Orlando and at that time of day?
 
Why is it that you never hear of divers (as in teams of divers searching lakes in Florida) getting attacked by gators. Do they have something they use to ward them off?

Mr Swamp and I go gator hunting here (Louisiana) every year and we are also on the local fire department dive team which does body recoveries so I can tell you how it goes for us.

Even when we are alligator hunting where the alligators are plump and plentiful, they tend to be rather shy and duck out of sight when they sense our presence. Granted, we aren't in the water scuba diving and hunting but alligators aren't usually aggressive.

Also alligators tend to do more hunting and attacks more in the evening. If that area is full of boats, people and equipment, it tends to scare them off. When we are doing a body search, there are also police on the scene who keep an eye out for any alligators that would appear. Alligators would be more attracted to the isolated sound of a one human floundering around and not so much attracted to a whole bunch of people with lots of lots boats.

Guys also tend to dive in teams or with a designated buddy and there are "bang sticks" which can be used to shoot something underwater if it attacks you. But there are so many people on the surface looking out for signs of the victim that alligators are spotted right away but they usually duck out of sight and slink away to a quieter spot.
 
Swamp Mama,
Great informative post. THANKS.

One question. Is it true,as far as you know, that gators do not eat dead bodies? Or is that an urban myth?
 
Swamp Mama,
Great informative post. THANKS.

One question. Is it true,as far as you know, that gators do not eat dead bodies? Or is that an urban myth?

Actually gators prefer rotted meat. They would commonly stash a fresh kill until it rots a bit. When we are gator hunting, the stinkier and rottener the bait, the better to attract them. Eww, I always stay upwind of the bait which is usually rotted meat or fish, or scraps from the butcher.
 
Actually gators prefer rotted meat. They would commonly stash a fresh kill until it rots a bit. When we are gator hunting, the stinkier and rottener the bait, the better to attract them. Eww, I always stay upwind of the bait which is usually rotted meat or fish, or scraps from the butcher.

I never knew that. Got to come to WS for a real education. So if someone did drop a dead body into waters that are full of gators, it might disappear.
 
Mr Swamp and I go gator hunting here (Louisiana) every year and we are also on the local fire department dive team which does body recoveries so I can tell you how it goes for us.

Even when we are alligator hunting where the alligators are plump and plentiful, they tend to be rather shy and duck out of sight when they sense our presence. Granted, we aren't in the water scuba diving and hunting but alligators aren't usually aggressive.

Also alligators tend to do more hunting and attacks more in the evening. If that area is full of boats, people and equipment, it tends to scare them off. When we are doing a body search, there are also police on the scene who keep an eye out for any alligators that would appear. Alligators would be more attracted to the isolated sound of a one human floundering around and not so much attracted to a whole bunch of people with lots of lots boats.

Guys also tend to dive in teams or with a designated buddy and there are "bang sticks" which can be used to shoot something underwater if it attacks you. But there are so many people on the surface looking out for signs of the victim that alligators are spotted right away but they usually duck out of sight and slink away to a quieter spot.

You are one brave SwampMama!
 
I never knew that. Got to come to WS for a real education. So if someone did drop a dead body into waters that are full of gators, it might disappear.

Yes, and it would eat the meat and bone. The alligators stomach produces about 10 times more stomach acid that other animals and that dissolves the bones as well so unfortunately there aren't even the remains of bones left behind.
 
You are one brave SwampMama!

Mr. Swamp is the brave one. He has done this all of his life and I feel completely safe with him in control. I usually go along to film it and to keep him company. Even the grand kids have gone along to watch the fun when he is alligator hunting.

If you have ever watched "swamp people", then you have seen a greatly exaggerated recap of what alligator hunting really is. It's not as dramatic or as dangerous as you would think it would be.

Of course, we don't have dramatic these music in the background either or cut to commercials at the critical moments either:biggrin:
 
My opinions only, no facts here:

I would like some comments regarding this segment of my timeline, particularly if you are from the area and know the roads.

I am looking at the early part of my timeline. Here are my assumptions:

1) the daycare where Michelle’s two children were situated is located near where she lives.
2) Michelle lives in Geneva.
3) Michelle got up, did her normal activities, including putting on her cross necklace.
4) On the day of the disappearance, Michelle’s older son went to school, she dropped her two younger kids off at a daycare in or very near Geneva, and had coffee and a chat with her new boyfriend.
5) Michelle may have went back home and watched the airing of the TV court episode at 2:00 PM that involved her and her ex-boyfriend, although this might create a crunch in the timeline.
6) Michelle drove the short distance to her mother’s beauty salon in Oviedo, and left by 2:30 PM. At this point, if Michelle had not seen the TV court episode herself, she probably heard an earful about it.
7) Michelle drove back to the Geneva area, picked up her two kids from the daycare at about 2:45 PM and began the drive to her ex-boyfriend's house (25 miles approx?).

Here is my question: could Michelle average 40 to 45 mph for such a trip? Or is such an average speed impossible in that region of Orlando and at that time of day?

Yes she could most certainly average 40 to 45 mph. If she took the 417 toll road from Oviedo to near where DS2 lived, she would be going speeds of 55 to 65 mph. I am not certain of the speeds from Geneva to Oviedo but it is a rural area so I am guessing 45 isn't out of the question at all.

Also, I agree with a lot of your post but we still don't know where that day care is. It is possible that it is near Oviedo and her mother's shop since that's where she worked in the day time. When my sons were small their day care was nearby where my parents had a shop (as opposed to near my home) so that my parents could pick them up for me and watch after them in the early afternoons after they closed up and before I got off work at 5:00. It saved me a ton of money doing that.
 
You'll laugh more when I confess that for a minute, I really and truly was trying to figure out how to word a question about those photos.:elfroll::shakehead:

That link...Best.Mistake.Ever!
 
Yes, and it would eat the meat and bone. The alligators stomach produces about 10 times more stomach acid that other animals and that dissolves the bones as well so unfortunately there aren't even the remains of bones left behind.

Swamp Mama - that's very interesting, and sad at the same time, because it would indicate that if a person has been missing for some time, then there really isn't much chance of finding remains.

I'm also thinking of the Haleigh Cummings case, where indications were that the little girl may have been disposed of in an alligator infested lake. So not much chance of ever solving what really happened without a body.
 
Actually gators prefer rotted meat. They would commonly stash a fresh kill until it rots a bit. When we are gator hunting, the stinkier and rottener the bait, the better to attract them. Eww, I always stay upwind of the bait which is usually rotted meat or fish, or scraps from the butcher.

This brings me to a question that I almost hate asking...

As a child, I remember crabbing on my father's boat with a "chicken line" (or chum line) to attract the crabs. We'd catch TONS at a time & a lot faster than crab traps. Having said that, could a perp have grabbed some chicken or fish, tied it on clothesline rope, then wrapped it around a body to attract marine life faster than normal? A shark can smell a drop of blood from over a mile away. What are the stats on alligators with this sense?
 
Alright friends, let's leave the LINKGATE topic behind :innocent:.

It might confuse our fellow sleuthers and lurkers who didnt have the opportunity to participate in the fun.
 
I like DSjr for this crime as the perp-I think the location of the cell phone would make him the unluckiest dude in America if he werent guilty...combined with all of the escalating disagreements between them that is.

I am praying for a resolution as soon as possible. :(
 
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