Forensic Astrology - CASE REQUESTS only - #2

Hello, all,

This is my first post on WebSleuths, and I am so happy to find the forensic astrology section of this site.

I would like to ask if someone could do a chart on Hattie Brown. I did not know her personally, but in our small, sleepy town, when a person goes missing, it is upsetting whether one knows the person or not. I have Hattie on my mind often.

Hattie's birthdate is 9/21/1960. I do not know the time, and don't know the location for sure, but believe her family is local to Halifax County, VA, so I would guess she was born there.

She was last seen on 5/16/2009 at 2:33 a.m. at a Sheetz convenience store in South Boston, VA. At that time she was in the company of her nephew, Derek Edward Brown. I believe she was driving her own car that night.

Her car was found in July 2009 behind a barn outside Virgilina, VA. It had been completely torched. Police then went to interview Derek again, only to discover that he was nowhere to be found.

Here is a link to a site that has additional information.

http://www.southsidecentral.com/wordpress/2009/07/27/todays-press-release-on-the-hattie-brown-case/

Now to step 'way out on a limb, I would also like to know if it is possible to tell whether there is a link between Hattie's disappearance and Morgan Harrington's disappearance and murder. Charlottesville, where Morgan disappeared, is about 90 minutes' drive from South Boston. I have what I feel are sound reasons for asking this, but am not sure how much more I could say and still abide by the rules of the forum.

Thank you for considering my request. I have read a few of the other threads, and believe that you folks are just awesome.

JB

Thank you so much Leomoon80, I am not the Melissa who spoke with Coral on the evening she went missing. That was a woman named Melissa Pierce. Coral met her the summer she disappeared. She lived on the same street as Coral and they became friends. Coral told me she babysat for her, she had 3 kids. I don't know what time it was but I think it was in the evening. Here is what is posted on the Project Jason Forum:


"Hall was last seen in Flint, Michigan on September 22, 1998, the day after her fourteenth birthday. She left her grandmother's apartment to go to another apartment upstairs and return a book. She never returned.
Earlier on the same day Hall disappeared, an older friend, Melissa Pierce, took her to the state Department of Human Services to report she was being abused or neglected. Late that night, Hall called Pierce from a pay phone at Ann Arbor and West Court streets near the White Horse Tavern. Hall said she was having trouble at home and needed to leave Flint. She asked Pierce if she could go and live with her. Pierce was in another part of the state at the time. She got a ride to Flint with her uncle, but by the time they arrived Hall had vanished. Pierce and her uncle drove around looking for Hall, but could not find her. She has never been heard from again."

So it must have been later in the day. I wish I knew more. I hope this helps. Please keep me informed.

I'll post her natal (no time of birth known) on the Case Briefings thread.
If you know the time of the last phone call, we can then look at that chart as well later on.

Looks like we crossed posted - so again, IF you can find out that Last Phone Call time (it's very very important) for an Event chart......just let me know later on and we'll look at that too.
Perhaps you can find out from her old friends, the girl she called for help

I didn't know Melissa Pierce, I heard she moved to Indiana. I will ask the journalist who spoke with her if he knows the time of the call or if he can reach her if he doesn't know. I'll get back with you when I find out.

See Case Briefings for "Last Seen chart at the convenience store" and Hattie Brown's natal (no time of birth)

Hi, I'm sorry if this has been requested, and I missed it. I do not have a search option so cannot take a comprehensive look.

Shantina Smiley
DOB: May 6, 1980
Went missing: 3/13/10, near Olympia, Washington (she did not live there, but pulled off the highway during a trip and evidently never made it back on, even though people gave her directions).

8-year-old son, Azriel: 11/28/2001, his body washed ashore several days later, ruled an accidental drowning, about 12 miles from where their partially submerged van was found (although his obituary gives a 3/18 DOB, the date his body was found).

No sign of Shantina then or since.

I could not find places of birth.

Her fiance told press she's a recovering alcoholic who relapsed a week earlier. She talked to people in Olympia and even knocked on doors -- one couple gave her son a slice of pizza. From reports, she seemed to be disoriented.

A homeowner who lives near where her van was found (a very isolated spot that police say is difficult to find unless you know the area (which she evidently did not) called police when someone was banging on his garage door at about 1 a.m. Sunday (14th) morning.

--She had an old protection order against a former fiance. From 2005. Lifted in 2006.
--She met her current fiance, Robb Simmons, on the internet 3 years ago; no one has suggested he is a person of interest
--Azriel's father lives in New York (was not in the area)
--She had been investigated for abusing (ruled unfounded) and neglecting (took him out of the home for awhile) her son, sounds like issues stemmed from the alcoholism; not a problem when she wasn't drinking
--Shantina's mother committed suicide about 4 years ago

Here's a link to one of the initial news reports. I hope it's ok to post.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/TheLaw/shantina-smileys-disappearance-stumps-cops/story?id=10116896

They believe Shantina drowned, too, but her body has not been recovered. Kind of haunts me, in part because my daughter lives in the area, but also because missing women seem to be a trend in that part of WA.

Thanks,
Janet

Ref:

Hi, I'm sorry if this has been requested, and I missed it. I do not have a search option so cannot take a comprehensive look.

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Here is a link on WS for her.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101661"]WA WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, Msg, & Azriel Carver, 8, found deceased, Mar 2010 - #7 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame] (original one)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108378&highlight=Shantina+Smiley (later one)


I'll look at her chart later, and post it on the Case Briefings thread

Is it possible to determine if a shooting was an accident, suicide or murder from the time of the 911 call or officers responding? The person did not die at the scene but at a later time in the hospital.

If so, AM, found 11/21/10 around 02:00 in Schuylkill Haven, PA (Schuylkill County).

From local paper: A Pottsville man was listed in critical condition after he was found about 2 a.m. Sunday in Schuylkill Haven with a single gunshot wound to the head.

A 27-year-old Pottsville man found Sunday morning in a house in Schuylkill Haven with a single gunshot wound to the head has died according to borough police.

An autopsy was planned for Tuesday and the death was still being termed suspicious until the results of the autopsy are available.

I don't want to link as this is so fresh in everyone's mind. bf and all of AM's friends are very disturbed over this as AM was a happy-go-lucky guy who was always smiling.

We seldom truly know people, as we think, or see the pain and inner turmoil they are in.
This has always been so....All of us know someone who died by their own hand and we are left shaken and confused, as they always seemed so happy on the outside.

People are very good about hiding their inner feelings...I know I've seen it over and over.

I have the chart for you as requested and will post it later on Case Briefings
however, IF you can find out his dob (date of birth) , this may help us further to verify my initial findings .

Perhaps you can link to the Obituary when the funeral takes place, and that is a public publication or Link.

Regardless, I will post the Event chart for you later today and send my heartfelt condolences to his family.

The thanks button wasn't enough. I will look for a DOB and if I can't find it today it should be in the obit (tomorrow most likely). Could it be by his own hand yet accidental, as in a sick game?

ScorpRising said:

The thanks button wasn't enough. I will look for a DOB and if I can't find it today it should be in the obit (tomorrow most likely). Could it be by his own hand yet accidental, as in a sick game?

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Although I'm not much on proving astrology as an art, because all of us who love the art know it works, and the only time it does not work is when some information is either
a)off i.e. incorrect info.
or
b)due to the skill or lack of skill of an astrologer

I still like to hone my art, so I will post the chart for you now.

I'm doing this not to say 100% in which way this unfortunate soul died,
but rather to show those who are fascinated by astrology itself, that
this point in time, as well as the place in time created a Celestial harmony with the act or event which then can be seen .

The symbols then need (as with the Fire / Arson thread) to be unraveled and read for what they possibly can mean and sometimes they can be quite
similar (meaning deaths by mode or manner)....

This then, is where the Astrologer's years of honing their skills takes play and can be seen.

I'm still learning......about Forensics Astrology which means reading charts somewhat differently.

That is why I'd like to see the Date of Birth to compare/contrast with the Event chart.

Meanwhile, I thank you for the opportunity to "hone" my skills even though as I said, I don't care for tests. (never did even in high school), lol

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Found it... it didn't take much... 9/11/83

ETA @ Pottsville, PA

Background of Event chart: (for post 50)


http://republicanherald.com/news/po...-after-shooting-in-schuylkill-haven-1.1067263

http://republicanherald.com/news/man-found-in-haven-with-gunshot-wound-dies-1.1067327

http://www.wnep.com/wnep-schyl-haven-police-shooting-suspicious-andrew-mullins,0,3237084.story

Good afternoon Astros...Can you do a chart for the three missing boys from Morenci, Michigan?

1. Andrew Ryan Skelton, DOB 11/20/01
2. Alexander William Skelton DOB 11/04/03
3. Tanner Lucas Skelton DOB 10/20/05

Mother: Tanya Lynn Skelton DOB 09/14/66

Last indepentent sighting was Thursday, 11/25/10, by a neighbor at approx. 2:30 p.m.



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TIA

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I'd like to know the father's dob if at all possible. He was the last one to see the children as far as we know.
I'll post a chart for the neighbor's sighting of them, and hope that I'm wrong and that we'll have good news soon.

Leomoon - Just asked on the other thread...Will post when the info. is given. Thank you.

Leomoon80 said:

I'll post a chart for the neighbor's sighting of them, and hope that I'm wrong...

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Well I don't like the sounds of THAT!

Leomoon80 said:

I'd like to know the father's dob if at all possible. He was the last one to see the children as far as we know.
I'll post a chart for the neighbor's sighting of them, and hope that I'm wrong and that we'll have good news soon.

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Special thanks to dizzylou...father's DOB is 11/22/71

Was Jean Marie born in Redding California?

Is it possible to get the time of birth of the uncle?