Penn State Sandusky scandal: AD arrested, Paterno, Spanier fired; coverup charged #4

Reader said:

I tried to copy from the GJ report without success, but under Victim 1, go to Steve Turchetta's statement about 'several students who were left alone with Sandusky, including victim 1', and about the arguments he had to mediate between JS and 'various youths' when JS wanted more time with them....

http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf

Thanks to FloatingStar, here is the section about Turchetta and other students:

"Steven Turchetta testified that he was an assistant principal and the head football coach at the high school attended by Victim l. He testified that Sandusky was a volunteer assistant football coach. Sandusky also worked with children in the Second Mile program in that school district. Turchetta described the Second Mile as a very large charitable organization that helped children who are from economically underprivileged backgrounds and who may be living in single parent households. Turchetta first met Sandusky in 2002 when Sandusky attempted to assist some Second Mile members who were on Turchetta’s football team. Sandusky's involvement grew from there. in the 2008 season, Sandusky was a full-time volunteer coach. Turchetta said it was not unusual for him, as assistant principal, to call a Second Mile student out of activity period at the end of the day, at Sandusky’s request, to see Sandusky. He knew of several students who were left alone with Sandusky, including Victim l. Turchetta characterized Sandusky as very controlling within the mentoring relationships he established with Second Mile students. Sandusky would often want a greater time commitment than the teenagers were willing to give and Sandusky would have "shouting matches" with various youths, in which Turchetta would sometimes be the mediator. Turchetta would also end up being Sandusky’s point of contact for a youth whom be had been unable to reach by phone the previous evening. Turchetta testified that Sandusky would be ‘*clingy" and even "needy" when a young man broke off the relationship he had established with him and called the behavior "suspicious."

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Dr.Fessel said:

As far as I know Penn state never pulled anything else of Sanduskys they were selling. As someone pointed out his book Touched was flying off the shelves. I think the reason they pulled that ice cream was because of the flavors and what they meant when it came to anal sex. http://media.pennlive.com/midstate_impact/photo/sandusky-blitz-60cc41acc4353009.jpg Just a little harmless insider joke until he was busted.

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Pensfan said:

I hate to burst your bubble, but that is complete bs. That is not even a Creamery bowl and that has never been an ice cream sundae at the Creamer. Yes, you can get an ice cream in a cone (they only come in one size scoop and that scoop is HUGE). You can get double scoops, but the amount is extremely large. Many people ask for a cup to turn their cone over into it. That is what I have done dozens of times because the amount of ice cream is huge and it starts to melt everywhere if you don't put it in a cup.....and the cups are always white (not blue).

Rush is peeved because Joe Pa donated to Obama. He has been ranting about this for 3 years.

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Penn State Creamery pulls Jerry Sandusky ice cream off shelves, menus

Prior to the flavor's removal from the creamery website, The Big Lead got a screen grab of the ingredients. Sandusky Blitz was described as a "banana-flavored ice cream with chocolate-covered peanuts and caramel swirl."

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_creamery_pulls_jerr.html

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Rlaub44 said:

I don't mean to speak for Pensfan, but I do understand where he is coming from in some of his posts. Being a PSU grad, it is very hard to see so many people connected to my school being accused of being evil just based on their proximity to an evil man.

Pensfan has provided several links demonstrating that Penn State has a long history of service to the community and charity involvement. This is not meant to excuse Sandusky's acts, or Paterno's, McQueary's, Spanier's, Schultz's or Raykovitz's inaction. But I don't agree that the entire history of good acts by hundreds of thousands of people is now invalid because we are disgusted with a small group that allowed this to continue. What the victims went through is unconscionable, but I agree with Pensfan that not everybody Sandusky dealt with had to know. Our own Azwriter discussed how Washington, PA is questioning how this could be the same person they thought they knew. I would suggest that many people in the State College area are having those same thoughts.

We all have opinions about what could have been done differently, but we just don't know the truth yet. I don't know any of the players personally, but if I were someone like Sue Paterno, I would hope to be given the respectful benefit of the doubt, not maligned as an entitled woman who protected a predator just based on our hunches.

Just my opinion - everyone here is a wonderful advocate for victims of crime and abuse, and I thank you all for your energy. I just recognize why some of us feel the need to stand up for the Penn State that we know, without being accused of trolling or supporting the <self-snip> responsible. Thanks for listening.:twocents:

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Pensfan said:

Have you eaten at this ice cream store? I have. I ate there 10 days ago. I have eaten ice cream there for 8 years and this phallic symbol ice cream concoction never exist. Rush may be on drugs again.

The books that was selling out were Joe Paterno's books not Sandusky's. I posted that story and link because you asked how Joe Pa could have donated that all those millions to the Penn State Library and local hospital. I shared with you that he was also an author. This is in the beginning of this thread somewhere.

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Concerned Papa said:

I'm not overly concerned about any explanation regarding how ice cream is eaten at Penn State, nor am I concerned with an explanation of political persuasion regarding the current President, particularly ones that don't provide a link for supportive input.

As for this post's declaration of "complete bs":



They surely didn't waste any time yanking this "bs", complete or otherwise, off the menu.

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FloatingStar said:

I totally lack legal knowledge. But I think that this may be an issue for future law. If an adult showers and "horseplays" around with a child without knowledge of the child's parent(s), a precedent should be set that makes that illegal. No innocent man would do this while hiding it from the parent(s) (unless he was some kind of dysfunctional *advertiser censored*).

Of course horseplay can be innocent. But the Sandusky's allusion to horseplay is either grossly naive (assertion of an idiot) or psychopathic. It seems pretty clear to me that it is a case of psychopathology. Will be decided in a court of law. Hopefully it is a fair process.

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Dr.Fessel said:

As far as I know Penn state never pulled anything else of Sanduskys they were selling. As someone pointed out his book Touched was flying off the shelves. I think the reason they pulled that ice cream was because of the flavors and what they meant when it came to anal sex. http://media.pennlive.com/midstate_impact/photo/sandusky-blitz-60cc41acc4353009.jpg Just a little harmless insider joke until he was busted.

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Dr.Fessel said:

No, this is the story I was talking about. It was posted a few times so far. There is a one where they had to restock it I believe. http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/jerry_sanduskys_autobiography.html Nope. It's not an oversight. A university bookstore spokesman said he was aware the book, which explores Sandusky's work with the children's charity he founded, The Second MIle, and his football career, was on display. It's located in the middle of the store, located on Pollack Road, not far from Old Main.

The Sandusky book can be found in a row entitled "Local Interest Section", between "Living Without Electricity", by Stephen Scott and Kenneth Pellman, and "The New Face of Small-Town America: Snapshots of Latino Life in Allentown, Pa..'', by Edgar Sandoval.

"I don't really have a comment on that,''' said a book store spokesman. "We haven't changed any operating procedure.''

The same grad who was hopeful that the book availability was an "oversight", then frowned at the news it wasn't.

"That is shameful, to try and promote that [book], in my opinion,'' said the alum, who made trip from Washington, D.C. for Saturday's Penn State-Nebraska game at Beaver Stadium at noon.

"That fact that it's in Penn State's bookstore is really hard to believe,'' said another alum, originally from Lewistown, Pa. She also declined to be identified.

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ThoughtFox said:

But what did Turchetta do about his suspicians? Did he talk to other coaches? The principal? The other people at Second Mile?

Maybe he originally saw Sandusky's shouting matches as some type of tough love to get through to the boys? My own son played football for years and some of his coaches were intimidating that way during practice, but the kids learn to take it in stride (or they quit the team because they hate it).

However, I've never heard of a coach, volunteer or not, who singled out boys for one-on-ones this way, or called them after school. And I just hope people understand that it is not normally the way things are done in high school football, or any sport. This coach Turchetta surely realized that, but once again we come back to the fact that Second Mile was the perfect situation for Sandusky because it was all done in the name of charity and "helping troubled teens." And that's why people looked the other way, imo. :twocents:

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Rlaub44 said:

I don't mean to speak for Pensfan, but I do understand where he is coming from in some of his posts. Being a PSU grad, it is very hard to see so many people connected to my school being accused of being evil just based on their proximity to an evil man.

Pensfan has provided several links demonstrating that Penn State has a long history of service to the community and charity involvement. This is not meant to excuse Sandusky's acts, or Paterno's, McQueary's, Spanier's, Schultz's or Raykovitz's inaction. But I don't agree that the entire history of good acts by hundreds of thousands of people is now invalid because we are disgusted with a small group that allowed this to continue. What the victims went through is unconscionable, but I agree with Pensfan that not everybody Sandusky dealt with had to know. Our own Azwriter discussed how Washington, PA is questioning how this could be the same person they thought they knew. I would suggest that many people in the State College area are having those same thoughts.

We all have opinions about what could have been done differently, but we just don't know the truth yet. I don't know any of the players personally, but if I were someone like Sue Paterno, I would hope to be given the respectful benefit of the doubt, not maligned as an entitled woman who protected a predator just based on our hunches.

Just my opinion - everyone here is a wonderful advocate for victims of crime and abuse, and I thank you all for your energy. I just recognize why some of us feel the need to stand up for the Penn State that we know, without being accused of trolling or supporting the <self-snip> responsible. Thanks for listening.:twocents:

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The love for and loyalty to Penn State is a bond, an agreement even, among 570,000 living alumni – we understand that what each and everyone of us does not only heightens the Penn State name for ourselves, but for 569,999 other Penn Staters as well. It is a code by which our alumni live.

Just as quickly, that value can be gone.

An athletic scandal, an academic impropriety, exorbitant salaries, rampant grade inflation. These can quickly overtake a school’s long history of academic achievement with single selfish acts.

http://www.statecollege.com/news/columns/jay-paterno-penn-state-love-and-loyalty-921673/

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BigCat said:

My heart goes out to you and all good Penn Staters. IMO, the Penn State you knew is gone. Never to be the same again, due to no fault of your own.

Jay Paterno, Joe's son who is still on the coaching staff, wrote this eerily prophetic column as part of a fundraising effort before the scandal broke.
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The love for and loyalty to Penn State is a bond, an agreement even, among 570,000 living alumni &#8211; we understand that what each and everyone of us does not only heightens the Penn State name for ourselves, but for 569,999 other Penn Staters as well. It is a code by which our alumni live.

Just as quickly, that value can be gone.

An athletic scandal, an academic impropriety, exorbitant salaries, rampant grade inflation. These can quickly overtake a school&#8217;s long history of academic achievement with single selfish acts.

http://www.statecollege.com/news/col...oyalty-921673/

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Pensfan said:

The raping/molesting of children has occurred since the beginning of man.
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Yes. I'll even bet that these sick pervs. were justifying their rapes with the idea that it enhanced their sports performance. I've read that pederasts often refer to historical documents where it was routine for boys to be sexually exploited as a "partner" in order for a warrior to go to battle. Clarify for me if it is in Greek or Roman/or both cultures.

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Reader said:

Won't the rapes take care of that problem also? Getting his name on the Megan's Law list is the least of his problems and my hopes...he needs to go to PRISON for a long time!

You mention 5 witnesses, but we know that at least 10 others have come forward, plus the 2 children, one his own grandchild...and the investigation continues....

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wfgodot said:

Congrats on this, your 1,000th WS post, btw!

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J. J. in Phila said:

Thank you, and I desperately wish it did not involve this case.

While hugely off topic, I would like to thank whomever runs this site for two things:

A. Putting up for someone both as curmudgeonly and acerbic as I am. I am surprised that I have hit 1000 posts without being banned.

B. Keeping an on-line archive of posts. For a researcher, it is a gold mine.

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