Potential Suspects and Persons of Interest

... If the missing family member is connected to the case, it would mean that, not one but, two pre-teen children are somehow connected to the case of two other missing children--not comforting in any way.

It is disconcerting. However, most of the known eyewitnesses in this case were teens or preteens. Perhaps one of the most frustrating parts of the 40 plus years of investigation into this case is that the many kids who saw the girls that day and who interacted with them were not taken seriously by LE - or if they were questioned, were never re-contacted. Specific cases in point being the girl who allegedly saw the "Long Haired Man" following them, or the boys who saw the "Tape Recorder Man", or the boy who stated that he saw them on their way to the mall at "7:30" that evening.

Even the current suspect, Lloyd Welch, Jr. was a teenager at the time, having just passed his 18th birthday in December 1974.
 
Zensiert, what are you referring to when you say that Roy Lee Welch has gone missing? Looked through other Websleuths threads and out on the net and can't find any info on this. This is very interesting to me. Thanks for any info you can share.
 
Zensiert, this is also peaked my curiosity. Roy Lee Welch is missing based on your observations? Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.
 
Well, no surprise that Pat Welch and her attorney have again managed to kick the can down the road a bit more, of course. Remember, she was initially arrested on DECEMBER 5, 2014.
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UPDATE: Trial moved to 8-16-2016. UFB...
 
Strange things seem to be taking place and reported in different threads of WS. Now the perjury trial has been moved to August. Roy Welch was reported in March as being missing since last September, and the James Davis Welch thread reports that an internal investigation of LE is underway. Some similar reports of progress in the Ft. Worth case are also being reported on WS threads, and comments are appearing on other missing cases as well.

Is any of this related? I have no idea!

I have lost track of when the trial of Lloyd Welch is now scheduled or if the timing on that event is in any way related to the perjury trial from the Grand Jury hearing. Is it a good or bad thing? Again, I have no idea! This just considering what that has become visible from the surface, without even considering who or what else may be known to those involved in the depths of investigation. Forty years is a long time to weave a tangled web. I just pray that it does get untangled and that it does not take another forty to put justice in its proper place. I have to believe that the delays are because something is happening, and I hope it is in line with "just and good" this time.
 
More sad details in this saga,

Roy Welch is, indeed, missing. Roy was a child in 1975 when members of his family are believed to have been involved with the disappearance of the Lyon girls. NO ONE deserves to have to live in the shadow and pain of "not knowing" what happened to their family member. May they find him or resolution to the mystery quickly.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/wartburg-tn/TUIN587ND3MP8S699/p4.

And, Stacy Heller Welch (author of a quote contained in earlier WS posts on the subject of Welch involvement with the disappearance of the Lyon sisters, and) wife of Thomas T. Welch, Jr. (another child caught up in this 1975 drama) and mother of 3 sons, also lost her battle with cancer earlier this month. May she rest in peace, and may her family find the strength and courage to proceed in the positive guidance she expressed while here.

My thoughts, "May EVERYONE find the peace they need through true and just resolution of this case, quickly." These are positive wishes focused for the benefit of everyone, not intended in any way to inflame negativity on anyone. I only hope they are received in that light. I believe there are many of us here who share such sentiment.
 
Fred Coffey in the news:
Child killer's DNA could help solve 1981 cold case

Posted: Sep 11, 2015
By John Cominsky




CHARLOTTE, NC (WBTV) - Cold case detectives in Charlotte are hoping DNA samples taken from a convicted child killer can help solve the case of a girl that went missing 34 years ago, according to a newly released search warrant.


Five-year-old Neely Smith disappeared in February 1981 after she was last seen playing outside her apartment complex on Green Oaks Lane in Charlotte. Two months later, the young girl's remains were found on the 6700 block of Union Road, about 15 miles away from her home.


Neely's death was quickly ruled a homicide.


According to the warrants, Fred Howard Coffey Jr, who is now 70-years-old, lived at the same apartment complex as Neely Smith - just one building over. He told investigators in 1981 that he had seen the girl playing in the courtyard on the day of her disappearance.


Just 19 months before Smith's death, 10-year-old Amanda Ray was also abducted while playing outside her home on Eastcrest Drive, approximately one block away from the apartment complex where Coffey and Smith lived. In 1986, the warrants state, evidence led to Coffey's arrest for Ray's kidnapping and murder.


Coffey was convicted of first degree murder in Ray's death, as well as "numerous charges of indecent liberties with a child" involving juveniles in Caldwell County, in January 1987. He has remained behind bars in the Pender Correctional Facility since.


Neely Smith's death, however, remained unsolved.


Then, in 2004, a witness came forward with new information about the case. According to the warrants, the witness said that while reading newspaper stories about the Smith and Ray murders he recognized a picture of Coffey.


The witness, who was a child at the time of Smith's disappearance, told detectives that he was playing with the girl on the day of her abduction. The warrants state the witness "recalled Fred Coffey pulling up in a white van and telling both that he was sent to pick them up by their parents."


The witness said that Neely got into the van, but that he refused. He said Coffey then tried to grab him but he was able to run to his grandmother's apartment, where he was visiting for the weekend.


Now, 11 years after that witness came forward, investigators are comparing newly-obtained DNA from Coffey and comparing it to evidence collected when Smith's body was found.


There is no word on when the results of the DNA tests are expected....



Read more: http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/30...could-help-solve-1981-cold-case#ixzz4B0n1LXTU
 
I have mentioned a few times in this thread that there are some possible links and similarities between Raymond Mileski and elements of the case against Lloyd Lee Welch, Jr.

As strange and involved as the Mileski story is - allegedly involving several persons, abduction of the girls for sexual exploitation, transporting them from Maryland to Virginia, disposing of their bodies in an isolated location, etc (see earlier posts in this thread) - much of that story seems to parallell closely the story known so far about Welch and the charges against him.

The link below is interesting. It is an article written in late 2013, prior to the joint press conference of February 2014 in which Montgomery County Police and the FBI named Lloyd Lee Welch, Jr. as a person of interest.

The article speaks of MCP meeting with and discussing the case with a private investigator who worked with a website known as "Maryland's Most Missing and Dangerous Persons". That private investigator is the person who interviewed an informant in 2000 and obtained information allegedly linking Mileski to the Lyon Sisters. He is also the person who made contact with Mileski (then in prison) to obtain written statements from him - all of which had been passed to the MCP Lyon Sisters' case officer in 2000.

So, although nothing has been officially stated by LE linking Mileski and his story with the case against Welch, it is clear that MCP was actively looking into such a possible connection in 2013.

http://patch.com/illinois/beverly-m...de-old-missing-child-case-and-possibly-solved
 
Richard, In response to your post, I think there is reason to believe that there is a connection to Mileski, just as there is reason to believe that many of these missing children cases may be connected, if not to one person, then to a "family" or group of connected persons--either through the victims and/or the various suspects in this and other cases before and after 1975.

Most of the cases have connections through the midwest, through Appalachia, in many cases through the Cumberland Pass and into Maryland and Pennsylvania, spreading from all those areas in ALL directions across the US and possibly beyond into Netherlands and Germany. Forensic Genealogy is a new and interesting science, just like fingerprints and DNA were at one time. Sorry, can't give more specifics on a public post.

Start looking at Oakland County Child Killers from 1975, Kingsbury Run Murders, Beverly Potts, 1951, and The Carroll Jackson Murders committed by Melvin Davis Rees in the late 1950's, and Beverly Jarosz. All are public information. You might even include Natalee Holloway case from just a few years ago in your research an Brittanee Drexel who lived in NY and went missing from SC. Look at the families of both the victims and the suspects with an open mind toward genealogy and geography.
 
Raymond Rudolph MILESKI, Sr.

Raymond Rudolph Mileski Sr. was born about 1936. He served one hitch in the US Marine Corps in the 1950's. By 1966, he was married with small children when he and an accomplice were wounded and arrested during a breaking and entry of a home in Prince Georges County. A convictrd murderer, he died in prison in 2004 while serving a life sentence.

Mileski is linked to the Lyon Sisters, because of claims that he made on several occasions. Those stories had some varience to them, but basically he claimed to know who the abductor/murderer of the girls was.

A story about Montgomery County Police digging in the backyard of the Mileski home at 5816 Suitland Road was in the Washington Post in April 1982, but only briefly. It was only one of many momentary mentions of the Lyon Sisters in news stories over the years. At the time, nothing much came of it. The story told of police digging test holes for about three hours, and that nothing was found except some bird bones. That news story made specific reference to the address and to it being in response to a tip from Maryland Prison Inmates, but it does not mention Mileski by name.

On 19 November 1977, following an ongoing family argument, Raymond Rudolph Mileski Sr. shot his oldest son, Raymond Rudolph Mileski Jr. (age 18 at the time) with a high power rifle in the basement of their home. When his wife, Dolores, ran down the stairs into the basement room, he shot her too. The bullet passed through her, through a wall and into the mouth of their 7 year old son, Peter, who was running down the stairs behind his mother.

Mileski left his wife and older son for dead and transported Peter to Andrews Air Force Base for emergency treatment. Leaving him there, Mileski, drove to the home of a neighbor where his middle son Karl was visiting. He told Karl to stay where he was and then turned himself in to police.

Mileski, while in prison, evidently told a story to other convicts that he knew who had abducted and killed the Lyon Sisters, these convicts repeated the story to investigators. Montgomery County Police dug test holes in the former Mileski backyard for three hours and found nothing but bird bones.

It should be noted that the Mileski backyard was in open view of about 7 or 8 other houses in the little subdivision and that any activity such as digging graves would have been easily seen by neighbors.

In late 2000, a tip to a website named Mileski as having told others prior to his 1978 murder conviction, that he was in some way involved in the Lyon Sisters disappearance. Many elements of this tipster's story were checked out and found to be accurate. For example, the informant correctly described the Mileski home, family, and local area.

The informant also named several other persons - all of whom were located and their identities confirmed. These persons either (according to the informant) knew something about the Lyon Sisters, or were allegedly connected with their disappearance in some way. Some of those persons had extensive criminal records.

The informant's information was obtained in late 1977 or early 1978 from an acquaintance who lived in the Mileski Home at the time of the murders and who was allowed to retrieve his personal belongings from the home after the crime scene was re-opened. It was at this time that the informant (along with the acquaintance and two other friends) was admitted to the house and was shown the crime scene and bullet holes in the walls.

The gist of the informant's story was that this acquaintance - a man who was 18 years old in November 1977 - lived as a boarder in the Mileski home on Suitland Road. He worked for Mileski in his kitchen cabinet installation business. According to news reports at the time, this "Boarder" (or possibly another one) was the subject of some heated family arguments in the days leading up to the Mileski family murders.

The "Boarder" allegedly told the informant that he knew that Mileski , along with at least one other man, was responsible for keeping the Lyon sisters imprisoned in a rented house located in Prince Georges County.

The informant stated that according to the "Boarder", Mileski had "walked in on" the other man and caught him in the act of molesting one of the girls. Mileski reportedly claimed that he had not been involved in the actual abduction, but "joined in" after discovering the abductor with the girls.

The "other man" was identified and described by the informant. He was a very large man (born in 1945) with a criminal record and a violent nature. He moved around a lot, and had numerous residences in the Prince Georges County area, most in the vicinity of Mileski's home. According to the informant, Mileski had some sort of connection to this man, through the building or house that was used to keep the girls. They may have rented it together or one may have rented from the other.

It was also alleged by the "Boarder" that Mileski participated in the girls' murders and in the disposal of their bodies.

The "Boarder" thought that the bodies of the girls might have been buried at a place known as Andrew Jackson Pits, near what is now Andrew Jackson Middle School and a large housing development off Suitland Road. The basis for this theory was not specifically explained. It should be noted, however, that those gravel pits were very close to Mileski's Suitland Road home and might have been the source of a reference to the girls being buried in Mileski's "backyard".

The informant further claimed to have personally seen Mileski's place of business, where he made and stored kitchen cabinets, having been driven there by the "Boarder" when he was employed by Mileski. This place was described as a building located on or near Beech Road, just off Maryland Route 5 (also called Branch Ave.)

Additionally, the informant correctly described the intersection of Beech and Branch as being near a large Hechinger lumber/hardware store (That former Hechinger's is now a large Car Dealership). The location of Mileski's business was only a few miles west of Mileski's Suitland Road house.

It is known (from another source) that Mileski owned a large white van which he used in his cabinet installation business.

All of this information was passed in writing to Montgomery County Police detectives by way of the Chief of Police in 2000.

Mileski, contacted in Prison in 2001, admitted in two letters that he did in fact know who the abductor of the Lyon Sisters was. He did not name anyone, but gave a general description of the area in which the girls were buried. His first letter was rather brief and in it Mileski made general statements, but clearly wanted to negotiate for a prison transfer before he would speak with investigators.

Mileski, in his second, more detailed letter, referred to the girls' abductor as "C.D." and claimed to have met this individual "in the pen". The second letter was a long and rambling one and it contained a demand that he be moved from his Baltimore area prison to the Western Correctional Facility in Cumberland, MD.

The second letter also contained a separate letter to be delivered to his son Karl. In the letter to his son, Mileski states that the "Boarder" ( he names him, confirming his identity) did not come into their lives until after the Lyon Sisters disappeared. He implies that Karl knows something, but is mistaken about some details.

These letters were all forwarded to MCP detectives.

Mileski stated in his letters that the girls were buried in a remote area near a cabin or shack where one might go for fishing or hunting. He remained vague as to any exact location.

On 1 April 1975, Montgomery County Police released their first sketch of a "Tape Recorder Man" (TRM) who had been reported as speaking to Sheila and Kate Lyon at Wheaton Plaza the day they disappeared. This sketch was printed in all the newspapers and appeared on all TV stations in the Washington DC Metropolitan area.

That day, numerous calls were made to police, among them 15 mothers of young girls who had been approached by a man fitting the TRM description at Iverson Mall and at Marlow Heights Shopping Center on 22 March 1975.

Those sightings placed this mysterious Tape Recorder Man in the close proximity of Mileski, his home, his work place, and homes of his alleged associates , just three days before the Lyon Sisters disappeared. In fact, those malls are located on Maryland Route 5 less than a mile north of Beech Road.

The Washington Post - in their story about the PG County Tape Recorder Man also reported that from one to three PG County men were questioned, but that they were not considered suspects at the time.

It might be mentioned that on that very day, MCP questioned Lloyd Lee Welch, Jr. of Hyattsville, (PG County), Maryland and sent him away without any charges or arrest because they did not consider him a suspect.

Police most likely spoke with Mileski after receiving this information. He was transferred to the prison of his choice in Cumberland after 2001, and he died there in December 2004.

It is hard to determine if Mileski actually knew anything about the Lyon case, or if he just made it all up for his own advantage.

Mileski was the likely source of the 1981 tip from other convicts, and it may have been stories that he - or someone close to him - told prior to his 1977 arrest which surfaced in the 2000 website tip. He certainly claimed knowledge of it in his letters. But whether he actually had any first hand knowledge, or involvement in the girls' disappearance remains part of the mystery.
 
Raymond Rudolph MILESKI, Sr.

I'm open to the possibility that Mileski may have somehow been connected to the case. As crazy as this case is I would not take that off the table until LE stated he was absolutely not connected in any way. He was a career criminal long before he killed his wife and son. You wonder if Mileski's surviving sons Karl and Peter had any information that enabled LE to rule their father in or out.
True, Mileski lived near two malls where the TRM was supposedly seen. Was the TRM ever described as having a limp or unusual stance? Mileski lost his leg in a shootout with LE in 1967 and probably had a hitch in his walk.
What was the deal with the "boarder"? Supposedly that was a point of contention between Mileski and his wife. A married couple with three kids taking in a teenage male boarder is kind of weird. Was there something going on between Mileski and the boarder?
btw, I've read so much about Mileski over the years but don't recall reading anything about a large man with a violent side who was born in 1945. Just from memory, I don't think that matches any men from the W clan. Perhaps this unknown other guy may indicate that the victims were shared by a group of pedophiles. I pray that is not the case. Although that could explain some disconnect between what Mileski knew, by being a few steps removed from the actual circumstances of the abduction. Who were the men the informant or boarder named that had extensive criminal records?

One thing that leads me to discount Mileski being involved is the amount of time between his death in 2004 and the case heating up in 2013. What was going on there for nine years? If Mileski was on his deathbed in 2004, at this point what would he have to lose by telling everything he knew to LE. Mileski wrote that he met the abductor "in the pen" but you would think he would have known who the abductor was before he went to prison in 1977. Too many things don't add up, but of course, we only have limited knowledge of what LE has shared with the public.
 
Sometimes we forget that families have two sides. Perhaps some information might be found in Delores Davis Mileski's side of the family. I read somewhere that her family took the surviving children to Virginia.
 
I'm open to the possibility that Mileski may have somehow been connected to the case.....

.... Who were the men the informant or boarder named that had extensive criminal records?

One thing that leads me to discount Mileski being involved is the amount of time between his death in 2004 and the case heating up in 2013. What was going on there for nine years? If Mileski was on his deathbed in 2004, at this point what would he have to lose by telling everything he knew to LE. Mileski wrote that he met the abductor "in the pen" but you would think he would have known who the abductor was before he went to prison in 1977. Too many things don't add up, but of course, we only have limited knowledge of what LE has shared with the public.

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The Montgomery County Police were given the names of all persons mentioned by the informant in 2000. I make it a personal point to NOT mention by name anyone who has not been named by LE or in press coverage, due to privacy and legal considerations. I believe that WS terms of service also apply. I mentioned the "large, violent man" because he was mentioned (by name) as being associated with Mileski and allegedly involved in the Lyon case.
 
do not know if LE actually interviewed Mileski in Prison after 2000. It is quite possible, but if they did, they have never released any information about what he might have told them.

Mileski's mention of meeting the abductor, whom he called C.D., "in the Pen" may have been a way of diverting the investigation from himself or minimizing his involvement.

Prison informants in 1981 stated that Mileski was in some way involved in the burial of the girls. Their story resulted in MCP digging up the backyard of Mileski's former Suitland Road home.

The website informant in 2000 stated that Mileski was involved in the imprisonment, murder, and disposal of the girls, and stated that the information was obtained in late 1977 or early 1978. Although much time had passed, many details of that story proved accurate.

Mileski, himself stated in two letters in 2001 that he knew who had abducted the girls and that he could provide more information if he got a prison transfer.

An October 2013 article indicated that MCP investigators were pursuing the Mileski angle to the case with renewed interest and belief.
 
It looks as if the Mileski angle might not be important, anymore.

How so? Mileski may have given LE information, names, locations, etc. before he died in 2004. It is now clear that they were re-looking into Mileski in October 2013 and stating to the investigator who induced him to write letters that they believed Mileski was involved.

This was a month before MCP released - for the first time - to the Washington Post the now famous sketch of the Long Haired Man with a cover story about cold case rapes in the Wheaton area. Then in February 2014, they "re-released" that sketch alongside a 1977 photo of Lloyd Lee Welch, Jr. for comparison and linked it with the Lyon case.
 
How so? Mileski may have given LE information, names, locations, etc. before he died in 2004. It is now clear that they were re-looking into Mileski in October 2013 and stating to the investigator who induced him to write letters that they believed Mileski was involved.

This was a month before MCP released - for the first time - to the Washington Post the now famous sketch of the Long Haired Man with a cover story about cold case rapes in the Wheaton area. Then in February 2014, they "re-released" that sketch alongside a 1977 photo of Lloyd Lee Welch, Jr. for comparison and linked it with the Lyon case.


It seems that any information received prior to Mileski's death, in 2004, has had plenty of time for consideration by law enforcement. I think, right now, the only testimony that is important centers around what they know about Richard Welch and Lloyd Lee Welch. Mileski obviously did not give them Richard or Lloyd, because the case would have been solved a long time ago if he had.
 
It seems that any information received prior to Mileski's death, in 2004, has had plenty of time for consideration by law enforcement. I think, right now, the only testimony that is important centers around what they know about Richard Welch and Lloyd Lee Welch. Mileski obviously did not give them Richard or Lloyd, because the case would have been solved a long time ago if he had.

Law Enforcement (Montgomery County Police) had Lloyd Lee Welch, Jr.'s name, address, and his statements about seeing the Lyon Sisters entering a man's car at Wheaton Plaza as early as 1 April 1975 - exactly one week after the girls went missing. Using your logic, they should have solved the case about 41 years ago. Obviously that did not happen.

Mileski might or might not have been involved but it is clear that he claimed to have known who abducted the girls early on (at least as early as December 1977) - and he maintained that he had direct and intimate knowledge of the crime up to his death in 2004. Montgomery County Police DID have Mileski's statements in letters, from informants, and probably from Mileski himself through interviews.

Was there a connection between Mileski and the Welches? Maybe. Consider that most other potential suspects, persons of interest, and general profiles mentioned in regard to this case were usually individuals or loners. It was information about and from Mileski that first pointed to the possibility of a group effort to abduct the Lyon sisters.

Because MCP has not named others (besides the Welches) as persons of interest, I am not at liberty to mention names of others connected with the Mileski information, but I will say that all had connections with Prince Georges County, Maryland and some had connections to places in and near Hyattsville, MD.

It has taken MCP a long time to gather and go through volumes of information. Over the years many people have died, moved away, or simply have forgotten things. So resolving this case is difficult. Hopefully answers and justice will be forthcoming.
 
FWIW, I also believe that Kowalski, Junior Burdynski Brentwood, MD, case of the 1980's, will connect as well. I keep remembering LE's statement that they believe a number of cases will be solved before this ends.
 

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