Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#14

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SMK said:
Right - it may well have been just rumor or speculation that he was intending to flee.
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Dr Sollecito stated that because of psychological pressure, his son would not attend the final verdict. However, after the request for provisional restriction in the event of a guilty verdict, Sollecito's decision has changed.
 
Jessica2012 said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-relationship-Amanda-Knoxs-ex-boyfriend.html

After reading this, I no longer believe Raffaele was referring to Amanda as being mentally unstable in his texts to Kelsey Kay.

Also, my only problem with the "prank gone wrong" theory is if in fact this is what happened why on earth would she admit her history of pranking now?
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Yes, it's clear to me that both women online were whacko - as for that question, yes, it does seem odd. It would have to be a case of admitting to something with the thought that no connection would be made.
 
SMK said:
Right - it may well have been just rumor or speculation that he was intending to flee.
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I don't think it was said he would flee, although maybe there were questions considering he has done lots of traveling even during the trial.

I think it's absolutely the best decision by him and his father for him to be in the courtroom tomorrow. If he had chosen to stay home I think it would send the message that he's expecting a guilty verdict. You don't want to send the jurors to deliberate with that message. Better to be there, showing you trust that the evidence is on your side.

I don't understand people who think they are innocent being so sure in a guilty verdict. Is that so the "Italy is corrupt and I knew it" can hold true in the event that there is actually a guilty verdict?
 
otto said:
Dr Sollecito stated that because of psychological pressure, his son would not attend the final verdict. However, after the request for provisional restriction in the event of a guilty verdict, Sollecito's decision has changed.
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Yes, I understand. But prior to this he had said his son would be at home with him, in Italy, and not abroad anywhere.
 
otto said:
Dr Sollecito stated that because of psychological pressure, his son would not attend the final verdict. However, after the request for provisional restriction in the event of a guilty verdict, Sollecito's decision has changed.
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To be strict, it was after the prosecution's request when the father said Raffaele will likely stay at home. Looks like the causal link is even less obvious.
 
SMK said:
Yes, I understand. But prior to this he had said his son would be at home with him, in Italy, and not abroad anywhere.
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The problem with that is that when the plane was detained in France while it was verified that Sollecito could travel, his father said that he would be home by the evening. In fact, Sollecito was not home by the evening, he was in the DR that evening.
 
otto said:
The problem with that is that when the plane was detained in France while it was verified that Sollecito could travel, his father said that he would be home by the evening. In fact, Sollecito was not home by the evening, he was in the DR that evening.
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Oh, OK, I understand.
 
Italy's Supreme Court in March overturned the pair's acquittals, saying that the jury did not consider all the evidence and that discrepancies in testimony needed to be answered.

The case was sent to a retrial in Florence, where a verdict is expected Thursday.

Ruling unclear

The retrial began last September, refocusing international attention on the case that grabbed headlines in Italy, Britain and the United States -- but neither Knox or Sollecito were present in court.

It has renewed questions about the effectiveness of Italy's justice system given widespread doubts over the handling of the investigation and key pieces of evidence.
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/29/world/europe/italy-amanda-knox-retrial/
 
The Italian court system is intentionally shielded from political accountability. The idea is to make judges less susceptible to corruption, but critics have likened the system to a dictatorship within a democracy. Prosecutors are allowed to appeal an acquittal, prolonging litigation almost indefinitely, and that is what they did in this case. They found a sympathetic ear in the Court of Cassation, Italy’s Supreme Court, a body noted for its eccentric thinking and idiosyncratic rulings. The activities of Ferdinand Imposimato, honorary president of the Supreme Court, show how far off the deep end this eccentricity can go. Imposimato is part of a political cult that believes the U.S. government was behind the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. He thinks the CIA used high explosives to bring down the World Trade Center. He has used his emeritus role with Italy’s highest court to promote this belief, which he summarized in an open letter published on a conspiracy Web site:

All of this is manifest nonsense, derived from the phony research of cranks who pass themselves off as experts, but it suits Imposimato’s political views. The judicial body he represents is equally at war with fact and reason in its findings on the murder of Meredith Kercher. In overturning Hellmann’s acquittal, they have embraced an accusation that is much like Imposimato’s conspiracy theory. It is fundamentally an insinuation rather than a fact-based description of events that might really have happened. It is built on a discordant mass of inferences and murky details, purporting to show a deeper plot, but with no coherent explanation that fits the details together.

The high court’s lengthy ruling presented a challenge for English translators. It is filled with sentences that ramble for well over 100 words, winding through a maze of caveats and qualifiers until the original subject is all but lost. The judges seem to have made a conscious effort to obscure their reasoning with writing that is hard to understand, and it is no wonder why. They misrepresent evidence, and they ignore the implications of crucial facts. They repeatedly dismiss appeals to common sense, expressed by Hellmann and the defense, as “manifestly illogical.” They call for the new court proceeding to “osmotically demonstrate” the guilt of Knox and Sollecito.

Preston, Douglas; Douglas, John; Olshaker, Mark; Moore, Steve; Heavey, Judge Michael; Lovering, Jim; Wright, Thomas Lee (2014-01-27). The Forgotten Killer: Rudy Guede and the Murder of Meredith Kercher (Kindle Locations 983-988). . Kindle Edition.

Great book.
 
otto said:
If the verdict is guilty, there will be provisions, most likely stripping Sollecito of his passport, but he is hoping that by appearing in the courtroom, it demonstrates good will and that he will keep all of his freedoms. I think it's the best move he can make. If he flees to DR prior to the hearing, he will definitely be stripped of his rights and freedoms.
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Yes, that's true. Because isn't it going to be a while before it finally gets Final approval by Supreme Court?
 
MichaelSmith said:
The Italian court system is intentionally shielded from political accountability. The idea is to make judges less susceptible to corruption, but critics have likened the system to a dictatorship within a democracy. Prosecutors are allowed to appeal an acquittal, prolonging litigation almost indefinitely, and that is what they did in this case. They found a sympathetic ear in the Court of Cassation, Italy’s Supreme Court, a body noted for its eccentric thinking and idiosyncratic rulings. The activities of Ferdinand Imposimato, honorary president of the Supreme Court, show how far off the deep end this eccentricity can go. Imposimato is part of a political cult that believes the U.S. government was behind the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. He thinks the CIA used high explosives to bring down the World Trade Center. He has used his emeritus role with Italy’s highest court to promote this belief, which he summarized in an open letter published on a conspiracy Web site:

All of this is manifest nonsense, derived from the phony research of cranks who pass themselves off as experts, but it suits Imposimato’s political views. The judicial body he represents is equally at war with fact and reason in its findings on the murder of Meredith Kercher. In overturning Hellmann’s acquittal, they have embraced an accusation that is much like Imposimato’s conspiracy theory. It is fundamentally an insinuation rather than a fact-based description of events that might really have happened. It is built on a discordant mass of inferences and murky details, purporting to show a deeper plot, but with no coherent explanation that fits the details together.

The high court’s lengthy ruling presented a challenge for English translators. It is filled with sentences that ramble for well over 100 words, winding through a maze of caveats and qualifiers until the original subject is all but lost. The judges seem to have made a conscious effort to obscure their reasoning with writing that is hard to understand, and it is no wonder why. They misrepresent evidence, and they ignore the implications of crucial facts. They repeatedly dismiss appeals to common sense, expressed by Hellmann and the defense, as “manifestly illogical.” They call for the new court proceeding to “osmotically demonstrate” the guilt of Knox and Sollecito.

Preston, Douglas; Douglas, John; Olshaker, Mark; Moore, Steve; Heavey, Judge Michael; Lovering, Jim; Wright, Thomas Lee (2014-01-27). The Forgotten Killer: Rudy Guede and the Murder of Meredith Kercher (Kindle Locations 983-988). . Kindle Edition.

Great book.
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If the long sentences are difficult to understand, perhaps they should stick to lighter reading. Anyone that has read the German philosophers is not overwhelmed with complex sentence structure.
 
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