16 July 2013 status conference discussion thread

Discussion in 'Travis Alexander Trial - The State vs. Jodi Arias' started by nursebeeme, Jul 16, 2013.

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  1. fifteen89

    fifteen89 New Member

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    Maybe she should take a few more glances at her horrific handiwork.
    She's earned every last "dedicated hater" she has.
     


  2. fifteen89

    fifteen89 New Member

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    <Snipped by me>
    What a load of blah blah blah.
    At least she got one word right.
     
  3. lauraoh

    lauraoh Active Member

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    I've said it before and I'll say it again. She has the emotional complexity of a Babysitters' Club paperback and all the womanly grace of Harry Reems.
     
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    Clutchbag New Member

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    Perhaps she should draw his slit neck seeing as she CREATED it oh what a wonderful artist, when s theneedle??. Soon i hope
     
  5. MeeBee

    MeeBee Active Member

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    Wow...

    It really sounds like, in true Jodi fashion, she convinced herself and tried to project onto Travis himself that the reason they weren't together was because of everyone else and Travis was just too much of a p***y to stand up to them. No, it could not possibly be her, she's awesome and clearly Travis is super into her. It's them. I believe she got it into her head that they WERE secret lovers of the star crossed variety and it was all very mysterious and romantic. But Travis never came around. So that's when the psychopathic justifications and excuses began. It was to avoid criticism and judgment from the friends, it was all to protect Deanna, it's them not her. We know that in the beginning Travis defended Jodi to people and Jodi even acknowledges this. Clearly something changed. Travis started realizing they were right and Jodi was looney? He decided to take it underground?

    One thing this letter makes clear though is that Travis was always honest with her about their relationship. He didn't lead her on or make her believe one thing then behave another way. He told her he wants to be single, he wants to date around, he doesn't want to be saddled down with her. She got it into her head that she was his girlfriend, again, in true Jodi fashion, and became completely deluded. That's why the journal entries about being cheated on long after they'd broken up, that's why the weird journal entries and this email. She wanted recognition as his girlfriend even though she wasn't.

    I could be off though. But I got a sneaking suspicion this whole Travis keeping his affair with Jodi a secret to protect his reputation and deflect judgment from his friends motif all started with Jodi and long before she killed Travis and not because it was particularly true. She needs it to be true though. Because then she'd have to face the reality which is he didn't want to be with her, no matter how good the sex was.
     
  6. geevee

    geevee Well-Known Stickie

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    Excellent observations, MeeBee!
     
  7. 21merc7

    21merc7 New Member

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    Sex is just that sex.

    It is difficult for a young girl, and sometimes of grown women, to understand that. JA certainly did not.

    She wanted a husband, and thought all the time and effort (even bogus membership in a church) would bring her that with Travis. Travis was just having sex. He was not clear in that to JA, at least not in JA's mind. JA thought that every time they were together was one bit closer to becoming a wife. Maybe at first TA thought they had more, maybe not. He must have told her prior to this email we are reading that she was just a "friend" (with benefits) or she would not be justifying to herself that she simply was not what he wanted in a wife.

    Sex is great and can be fun for a few months, up to a year, before the one or the other partner - in a sex only based relationship that is - just simply gets bored and wishes to move on. Some still go back and forth when no one else is available for sex for a while after a break up, but JA never understood that. This email clearly shows that she did not understand it. IMO.
     
  8. MeeBee

    MeeBee Active Member

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    I keep re-reading this too. The crazy is just...

    On some level, I feel sorry for her. She is just so pathetic. That's probably because I have human feelings though and can't help it. Girl was unravelling.

    It's odd though. She doesn't know what the hell she wants to say. All in one paragraph she'll be like "let's still be friends...but you don't have to be my friend...but I care about you so much we're best friends...but I don't want to saddle you with my friendship...but my friendship is very important to us!" It's insane.

    I particularly enjoyed this little black and white, Borderline Jodi exchange:

    "You see, I have no shame in being your friend. And if anyone ever tried to guilt me, judge me, criticized me, harass me or otherwise give me an ounce of crap over it, I would put them in their place so fast they would never think to open their mouths about on the subject again.

    I’m not saying you should feel or do the same."

    She snapped, but not on June 4th, long before that. Poor Travis. I know he could have handled her better in some ways...but how could he know?
     
  9. 21merc7

    21merc7 New Member

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    I think she was trying to get TA back, to get him to say he cared about her, to get him to say he loves her.

    He should have known she was way too interested when she made that t-shirt. But what is a young man to do? A young man does not know how to let a girl down easy and clearly, especially when he is enjoying himself. (And in TA's case this may have been his first, or not many after first, real sexual relationship.) So, TA wasn't ready to end the party, even though he knew she wanted more than he was offering. JA didn't "get it" because she didn't want to. She wanted what she wanted, he wanted what he wanted.
     
  10. Kensie

    Kensie Well-Known Member

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    I know that this is the Travis Alexander Murder thread, but can someone tell me the sentence for Levi Chavez or point me in the right direction. TIA.

    Sorry to bring up some one else in this thread.
     
  11. LambChop

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  12. geevee

    geevee Well-Known Stickie

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    Agreed, for all the nutso things she did that we know about (and probably many more we don't) poor Travis probably didn't have a clue how devious or violent she could become when she realized once and for all he would never be hers. I think she fantasized a good part of their 'relationship', and once she had to move back to Yreka she began devising a plan.

    She either did something or he found out something between this letter and his text to get him so angry, but what? I really hope this piece of the puzzle becomes known.

    I noticed you can practically just read the first sentence of each paragraph for content purposes, the rest if just so overworked and meandering.
     
  13. Mrs G Norris

    Mrs G Norris Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the link to the letter above MeeBee, I tend to think JA had a point, Travis and his friends were acting as if they were way above her, and he was continuing to see her when it suited him, then denying it publicly. I am not condoning what she did by any means, but there was fault in the relationship on his side too, and for this he is responsible. It is not ok to treat a friend like someone you are too ashamed to associate publicly with, if you really feel this way, why are you spending any time with them at all?
     
  14. LambChop

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    The secret was their sex life. There really are a lot of pictures of them together with TA's friends around them. From that letter it appears she was jealous of Deanna and realized he had never gotten over her. Deanna was often in TA's household dog sitter, etc. They had dated a long time. To me it appears Jodi seemed to think she was entitled to the same benefits as Deanna even though she and Travis were no longer dating and this is why she moved to Mesa. This is evident when Jodi said "she" expected to get Napoleon. Deanna, however, appears to have respected TA's boundaries something we know from TA's email Jodi was not willing to do. jmo
     
  15. MeeBee

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    I agree that Travis and his friends were kind of acting above her. But at the same time, I think there did come a point where he didn't want to associate with her anymore and wanted to try and move on and she just kept inserting herself back into his life. She moved to Mesa against his wishes and always made an effort to be where she thought he would be.She made it impossible for him to move on and he became increasingly frustrated with her antics. He was glad when she moved away and it seems it was because he felt that she was finally moving and he could move on too.

    BBM: We know the Hughes' didn't like Jodi, justified or not. And we know Travis would get frustrated at her for one thing or another (yet still let her back into his life and bed time and again) but we don't know if he was associating publicly with someone he was ashamed to be seen with. He kept their sexual relationship under wraps which isn't unusual to me, most people don't go around announcing their sexual habits to everyone, especially Mormons. But he remained friends with her publicly for a long time. He didn't seem to go out of his way to be friends with her or make her a close friend after a time. He didn't invite her to that Christmas party or anything. But they were photographed a lot together. I don't think it was the friendship he was ashamed of. It was the sexual aspect. I blame religion.

    Not trying to absolve Travis in this. He made stupid decisions. I get he wanted the FWB thing but he probably should have STOPPED when he realized she craved more from him and that was not right. Nor was the hypocracy. But knowing what we know about Jodi now and how she is and how deep her psychopathy runs, I find it hard to believe it was as simple as that.
     
  16. ScarlettScarpetta

    ScarlettScarpetta When the going gets tough, drink coffee

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    Thanks for posting this. I have not read any of the emails unless they were referred to in court and I came late in the game when she had already started testifying.

    This letter to me, full of errors, Is nothing but manipulation. She is trying to be magnanimous but to me it comes off as controlling and sneaky.

    She loves attention. Craves it. When she does not get it, it is at that person's peril if she indeed is fixated on them.
    I am surprised that she did not go after the other girlfriends but I realize it is because she viewed this as Travis's weakness, He was the one that was punishing her. So he had to go.

    I was thinking today how much she craved the limelight during her trial. At least she is silent for now.. Her twitter account aside, I think more and more people just don't care.
     
  17. MeeBee

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    BBM: this is really well said. I think that is what I thought about the portion that I highlighted but you said it better. It's very manipulative.
     
  18. Liebchenmutti

    Liebchenmutti Court Junkie

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    I think we should be careful when assigning any blame to Travis for his murder. The only side of the story we have is from Jodi's mouth, her faked diaries and her testimony.

    Travis met a hot blonde in Las Vegas and was probably "in lust" with her as they stayed up talking all night, seemingly having many things in common. I'm sure he was thrilled that it was easy to get this girl as Jodi began only living for Travis. Travis kept his own life going--Jodi did not. That's HER FAULT, not Travis'.

    It stroked Travis' male ego to have a blonde sex kitten who was so into him. As he gradually saw her true evil core, I'm sure he would have given anything to go back in time and NOT speak to her at the MGM. Too late he found out her true ugly, deformed stinking insides as she hacked him to death.

    Do you guys also feel sorry for George Clooney's girlfriends because he never marries them? I don't--he's pretty open about not getting married. I see that he gets tired of women after 2 years or so & moves on. If one of his girlfriends slit his throat, stabbed him 27 times and shot him in the face, then dragged him like a sack of garbage to rot in his shower, I don't think we'd say things like "he was partly to blame."

    Travis didn't take Jodi's virginity and then after promising to marry her, dumped her. She was NOT naive--she was very, very savvy. She was living with a man in a home she paid half of the mortgage on. She'd been living with men since dropping out of high school at 17.

    Did Jodi not understand that it's not normal to sleep under Travis' Christmas tree after she was asked to leave? Really? That was even before they dated. Jodi inserted herself into Travis' life WITHOUT AN INVITATION.

    And for all the people that think that by sleeping with Jodi Travis somehow OWED her something--that's absurd. A grown woman making decision to have a sexual relationship needs to take responsibility for it & that means that she understands that a purely sexual relationship doesn't usually lead to LOVE.

    Jodi was sexually aggressive, sexual with no boundaries, and she has no shame. She "converted" to Mormonism almost immediately after meeting Travis--she holds nothing sacred. She decided that Travis was going to marry her even if she had to stalk him to get it done.

    Stalkers do not deserve any pity--they are evil people who feel justified in robbing another person of their privacy and they feel justified in intruding into someone's life.

    So if there is some new rule that states that if you have sex with a partner for X number of times, you are then bound to marry them, then Travis had every right to have consensual sex with an experienced, worldly Jodi and he also had the right NOT to marry a psycho stalker.
     
  19. MeeBee

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    I completely agree, while I do feel Travis made mistakes with his handling of Jodi, Jodi knew exactly what she was doing. She had a whole end game. She always does. She used him more than he used her because unlike Travis, who was forthcoming about his intentions, Jodi played manipulative games, would not let him move on from her, made it impossible for him to be happy with anyone else and sabotaged his dates and relationships.

    Most normal women who give everything, or what they perceive to be everything, to a relationship or someone they love and then don't get what they want in return (and that's a manipulation too. She didn't bake cakes for him and edit things out of the kindness of her heart. It was to keep up the pretense of being a good person with out having to actually do anything genuine or selfless and it was to manipulate Travis, she did this with her co-worker's cat), you say eff this and you eventually move on. Jodi just kept pushing and pushing and pushing. She wrote in her diary that the only way to move on from her intense obsession (Travis) was to cut it off at it off at its source (kill the object of her obsession, Travis). Travis behaved like a normal young man who maybe didn't know what he wanted out of life. Jodi acted like a maniacal, immature stalker.
     
  20. 21merc7

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    I don't think anyone is assigning blame to Travis. I think everyone acknowledges why he was with her.

    The rest is on JA. She flipped out and viciously murdered him b/c she didn't get what she wanted.
     
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