16 July 2013 status conference discussion thread

Discussion in 'Travis Alexander Trial - The State vs. Jodi Arias' started by nursebeeme, Jul 16, 2013.

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  1. geevee

    geevee Well-Known Stickie

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    Until we get some explanation for the chunky blue camera memory stick being entered into evidence - a stick that does not fit that camera, as well as the Sony stick (pictured on the washer with marker #37) I personally cannot give any creedence to them sleeping together or taking the nudie pics that day. I think those pics were taken in April at the latest.

    I saw screen shots of the 2 FB postings by Thomas Brown, the former roommate that mentioned himself staying up until after 4:00 a.m. doing some kind of protection ritual, he also mentioned how surprised Travis was to find JA on his doorstep early that morning.

    Although he had met JA when he was a roommate (and mentions in the FB posting how quiet and withdrawn she seemed then), he wasn't a current roommate and hadn't spoken to Travis on the 4th so I don't know how he could have any idea about her being there or when, but I think he's the one who JA told Flores might have a reason to harm TA and to look into him. I'm not positive he was the one she mentioned to Flores but I think so.
     


  2. geevee

    geevee Well-Known Stickie

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    Fabulous timeline gcharlie, thanks so much for putting that together. I really want to read that June 1st journal entry, but (oh gawd) I'll have to listen to that sex tape, I'm almost sure the whole thing wasn't done on the day it's timestamped, the pieces I listened to (when my ears weren't cringing) sounded edited.

    I'm wondering, if you save a bunch of parts of phone conversation on your phone, then you put them all together as one recording and change the file extension (to .wav or whatever) if that also would change the date in Properties to the date it was saved with that extension?

    I don't know enough about that stuff but especially in light of this timeline, it's hard to figure them having the sex convo and the Steve convo on the same day. It makes sense that she put the recording together to blackmail him on the 10th after the Steve convo but not really the other way around.

    Oh this girl drives me batty in so many ways!
     
  3. khaki

    khaki Well-Known Member

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    great post...I too am not convinced they had sex that day...I remember in the interrogation video, when DF says they have pictures, JA asks "are you sure they're from that day"....
     
  4. geevee

    geevee Well-Known Stickie

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    And she also draws Flores a picture of both of the memory sticks found, as if trying to get him to ask her about both of them but he behaves as if there is only one stick.

    I don't know why she'd toss the blue stick along with the camera in the washer, esp. if the blue stick had the nudies on it. Her face doesn't show up in any of the shower pics (if those are what was on the Sony stick) except one reflection (5:25:00) and as best as I can tell, she appears to be smiling. The more I know the more confused I get. lol
     
  5. Jane Jetson

    Jane Jetson New Member

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    And EVER! :facepalm:
     
  6. elementary

    elementary No More Excuses

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    Silly girl. So predictable. So transparent. So redundant.
     
  7. elementary

    elementary No More Excuses

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    Kinda basic legalese, isn't it? Not too bright, is she?
     
  8. elementary

    elementary No More Excuses

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    No offense to you, but I hate this line of thinking. We second guess what he should and should not have done.

    Really? For heaven's sake, he was the target of an abusive, mindf****ing psychopath. NOTHING he would have done would have made a difference if he denied her what she wanted. He made NO mistakes in normal terms. In relation to a psychopath, everything is a mistake.

    Travis does NOT have to be absolved of his behaviour or contributing to his murder (both, eminently SICK thoughts). It shouldn't be an issue and it shouldn't be a question.

    The convict murdered him in cold blood, with sadistic pleasure. Travis was an innocent victim who suffered beyond words. Suffered pain and anguish, and died a horrible, terrifying death and was deliberately posed to suffer indignity and humiliation even in death. She desecrated him even in death.

    And we are talking about his 'mistakes'? Seriously? As if he would be alive today if he had had more sense?

    Every time someone talks like this, to me it means they are saying he contributed to his own murder. That somehow he could have been alive today if he had had more sense. Easy to say if one has never encountered a psychopath or does not understand their diabolical machinations. And blaming the victim seems quite a trend these days.
     
  9. elementary

    elementary No More Excuses

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    No, IMO, some people do assign blame to Travis.If only he had done differently..... that's blame.
     
  10. elementary

    elementary No More Excuses

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    What "mistakes" did he make? She's a psychopath. Not targetting you personally. Just that this was not a normal paramour. He made NO mistakes, IMO. It doesn't matter what he did, if it didn't fulfill her desires it would have been a 'mistake' in HER eyes.

    But, why is it a 'mistake', though, in ours?
     
  11. MeeBee

    MeeBee Active Member

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    I think in your blind anger you missed my last point which was that knowing Jodi and her psychopathy it probably wasn't as simple as Travis saying no or letting her down easy. I was basically saying it wouldn't have helped anyway because Jodi was incredibly obsessed with him. Did you miss that? Don't lump me in with Jodi's supporters or even try and insinuate that I was implying Travis contributed to his own murder. But Travis did make mistakes. He did. And you need to step back before you angrily pounce on anyone who even insinuates such a thing. His mistake was, overall, being too trusting in the general goodness of people. That's all. It's the cold truth. But the he only person responsible for Jodi's actions is Jodi.

    KTHANKS!

    :banghead::banghead::banghead:
     
  12. MeeBee

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    Wow, geevee. I haven't really given too much thought to the camera possibilities or computer because there's no way of knowing but you've given me an epiphany, sort of.

    I didn't know there was two memory cards in the washer. I thought it was just Travis' card in there. That's interesting. I remember Jodi suggesting to the detective that the pictures were from another day, which could mean Jodi was trying to tell him something. But she also did the same thing for the handprint and the hair so there's no way to know. I also remember her drawing the memory cards for the det. I think she was trying to draw two of her cards but one of them sounds like she was drawing the one that was found alongside Travis' memory card. It's almost like she was trying to point him in some direction without having to come out and say so because that would be admitting more knowledge of something she was supposed to know nothing about. Or she could have just said they were from another day, she remembers taking them and then play dumb when he asks how they got there marked June 4th. But that's a little risky especially if the pictures were originally on her camera, which would, again, place her at the scene. But she could also say she lost it at Travis'...oy vey. Realizing the pictures actually help her case, she dropped it, because it makes her look like an invited guest to a willing Travis.

    Also, does anyone know exactly what color Jodi's hair was the day she left Mesa? Was it still blonde or did it have those brassy blonde highlights she was sporting weeks before the murder? Although I don't think those pictures on her myspace with that hair style and color were from then anway. They look earlier because in her picture at the Othello play, Jodi has the same style and length she had when her hair was blonde, it's just brunette now. Julie, Travis' friend had dinner with him and Jodi, I THINK, two weeks before she left Mesa and she says Jodi's hair was still blonde. Jodi tells detective Flores that the neighbors only know her as a blonde. So how does that explain the dark hair in the sex pictures? That is the one thing, aside from the date, that has me believing they are indeed from that day. There's no other explanation. But I really want a definitive answer on the color of her hair when she went back to Mesa. Someone must have seen her. I guess no one thought that it was TOO important. But it is for the premeditation and the car rental guy says it was blonde. Not brown with blonde highlights, not brown, blonde.

    There's also the computer part. Jodi has told two different stories about what happened in there even though there was no reason to, as if she was preemptively trying to explain something away (and notice how Travis becomes more cartoonishly villainous the more versions of a story she tells? Ugh). I always thought Jodi had tried to gain access to the computer behind Travis' back and was denied. But maybe she wasn't and was able to snoop around, that's why both stories regarding the computer room have her not being able to get on. But if she transferred the pictures at that time, wouldn't the computer's files show that?

    And I think even though Juan was forced to concede that the pictures were from that day and can't share any theories regarding the computer, he has his theories. He asked the computer guy in his rebuttal if there's any way to tell if the computer activity just before the murder was Travis or Jodi or anybody. There's no way of course? So it could have been Jodi? Sure. Jodi shakes her head no at this line of questioning, a definite tell.

    Maybe the sex pictures were taken on that day but with Jodi's camera. But why would she delete them and why would she leave it behind? Maybe an accident, maybe they were deleted so no one would see them. Maybe she did transfer them to Travis' card. But again, why were they deleted? Maybe she had a different plan, an alternative to killing Travis and they were only deleted when the set up mission was aborted. That final month was a whirlwind of manipulations and games that included the sex tape, the sex text, her journal entries, etc. Maybe the camera was going to be a part of it and the murder was the backup. Maybe she wanted everyone to see the pictures of them having sex so everyone thinks of Travis being with Jodi and Jodi being the most special to him. But, once again why were they deleted and washed if that was the end game? I really don't know. It's all so confusing and convoluted that I'm just going to continue to apply the simplest explanation to things. But you have definitely given me something to think about, especially that extra memory card.
     
  13. elementary

    elementary No More Excuses

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    No need to get personal.

    I stand by my comments on the post.
     
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    True but wouldn't she say that even if they did have sex that day but wanted to act like she was not there?
     
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    I don't see it like that. I think everyone wishes he could have gotten rid of her. But how many have known any young men that really ever knew how, or could. Travis was really a nice young man and probably found it even more difficult than the less nice type. Much less add on the fact that JA is completely psycho and there is no getting rid, nicely or rudely, she just wasn't going.

    I don't see blame, I see wishes.

    But even if Travis could have been a rude dude (lol) it would have turned out the same. :(
     
  17. ncgramma

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    Two thoughts and I'll hush up again. Perhaps TA was the one who deleted the photos on JA's sim card. She was angry and made sure to throw the stick in the washer so someone would still find them and recover them if they cared to.

    Why does everyone take JA's word that they had sex that day. This I will never understand.
     
  18. LambChop

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    Was there ever a second card? Or was it just that JA mentioned the other card to Det. Flores??? I only remember ever seeing the blue card that was from TA's camera because it had prior pictures of Travis that had not been deleted. Anyone know for sure without me going back to dig this out?

    This is from the transcript of JA's statement to Det. Flores:

    DF: He usually deleted all the pictures like this.

    JA: Yeah, well, before he got…

    08:45
    DF: Any pictures like this that I found anywhere on his computer, camera, anything, they were deleted.

    08:56
    JA: Well, prior to him getting his camera all of those pictures were on my camera. Umm…so,

    09:05:
    DF: All these same pictures?

    09:09
    Umm…I don’t know. I don’t know. We took…umm…we took a bunch the week before I left. Umm….we took a bunch over the last 6 or 7 months. Umm we took over the last year even when we were still dating but we would delete them mostly.

    There were some that he sent me that I didn’t delete. Umm…what I’m asking… is it possible that you know that my memory card would have been in his camera, if they’re interchangeable?

    09:47
    DF: How do you know if they’re interchangeable?

    09:49
    JA: I don’t…That’s why I’m asking is what kind of memory card it was…

    09:53
    Just a regular little sd card.

    09:56
    (JA reaches across the table, picks up a pencil/pen and begins to draw on DF’s paper)
    JA: Well, cos I’ve got one…I’ve got one that’s like this big, and it’s thin, like a cracker. The one I use in my professional camera is like this size, and it’s more kinda’ like that big, and the little one is really thin, and it’s got like little thingy’s here. (unintelligible)…one looks like that in the middle part, so that one obviously probably wouldn’t be interchangeable because it’s a Canon and it’s…

    10:23
    DF: It’s not interchangeable.

    10:25
    JA: But… the other one… (Sighs) I don’t know. I don’t know.

    10:30
    DF: Your camera’s here. His camera’s there. He just bought that camera.


    10:33
    JA: Well, the other camera that I used before that’s broken now it’s in my storage unit. But it’s still there.

    10:39
    DF: And you’re saying those pictures are on that camera?

    10:42
    JA: I’m… no… what I’m saying is, I had several memory cards for this camera that I don’t have any more, and so, I guess… it’s so far fetched… I would guess it’s possible that my card…

    10:57
    DF: You’re saying somebody took your pictures or your card and is framing you and put that into his camera and…

    11:04
    JA: No, no, no, no. I’m just saying that if… if my memory cards were left at his house he could…he would have used those for his camera. I don’t know. I don’t know. I can explain the blood though and I can explain the hair. I don’t know about the palm print.

    11:21
    DF: I can explain the blood or the hair.

    11:24
    Well, the hair, there’s hair everywhere and probably every square inch of that house, my hair. You sweep it and you’ll get hair everywhere – all over around the toilet, around in the shower… I don’t know about the shower because the shower gets used, but definitely around the bottom of the sink area and maybe in the trash…

    11:42
    DF: That still doesn’t explain the hair to me. It had a follicle in it. You haven’t been there since April. There’s no way. No way. The blood, no. The blood is mixed with his, and that’s the blood he bled that day when he was killed. Print…

    12:03
    JA: Well, you can check how fresh the blood was.

    12:09
    DF: No, we can’t check how fresh it is but we can go by where it is.

    12:13
    JA: Oh, okay, because I cut myself.

    12:16
    DF: And you’re saying that that blood that you cut yourself with back, who knows when, is still on the wall in the exact same spot?

    12:28
    JA: Oh, I don’t know

    12:31
    DF: where the bloody palm print was.

    12:38
    JA: It was a glass that Travis had that I was using to wash Napoleon with. I used to give him baths, and I dropped it, and when I picked up all the glass, and I’m pretty casual about it because I break glass at work all the time, and it’s not a big deal. It’s nothing to be scared of. I was probably just being careless with it and I sliced myself open and…

    12:56
    DF: Is that how you want to leave this? These far fetched excuses of why your blood is there, why your hair is there, why your palm print is there, what pictures are there?

    13:08
    JA: I don’t know about the pictures.


    The mention of the card was to try and throw DF off regarding those pictures of her taken the day she was there. At the time JA was attempting to explain why it appeared she was there when wanted him to believe she wasn't.
     
  19. geevee

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    Below are the camera and both cards, just so we all can see what we're talking about.

    This next pic is a bit big and I don't want to blow the margins so I'm linking to it, it's a pic of the usb cord on Travis' desk, it has some dark coloration on the left, it was never tested to determine what it was.

    http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/geevees/media/office1_zpsa1edf4aa.jpg.html?filters[user]=134808870&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=0#/user/geevees/media/office1_zpsa1edf4aa.jpg.html?filters%5Buser%5D=134808870&filters%5Brecent%5D=1&sort=1&o=0&_suid=137424879957809027787545530341

    She may have used that cord to transfer pics from one camera stick to another (or her laptop to a stick), I'm not tech savvy enough to know the steps to accomplish it but I believe it's doable. I don't think we know what activity occurred on his computer except for the browser (YouTube video) but transferring pics wouldn't show up in the browser memory and I don't recall any other testimony about his computer.

    In any event, I do think she thought deleting pics was enough to make them disappear, and anything she said to Flores would be TMI so she played along, probably hoping to get info from him without giving any away herself. Except for drawing both sticks. lol

    I have also wondered if she originally had one plan and the killing was a back up, I'm glad you brought that up, MeeBee. Considering the nudie pics and both cards being there, it doesn't seem as simple as what has been laid out (they have sex, he showers, she stabs), I think there is more to it.

    Her hair; I think the tone of her hair is lighter in the nudies than in the car pics from the 3rd, but the quality of the nudie where you can see her hair well is so bad it's really hard to determine. Supposedly there's a pic of her as she's leaving Mesa in the UHaul in April (showing/not showing neck bruises), I wish we could get that pic, it would solve it as to her hair color then.

    The rental car guy said she was blonde but I think he was recalling her drivers license pic (and he never saw her again until court but had the copy of her DL pic to see more than once), she's very blonde in that but it seemed to me she changed to brownish/highlights before June 2nd, wasn't the pic of her with the black dog taken between April and June?

    I agree wholeheartedly that keeping it simple is best, it's too easy confusing ourselves with as convoluted as everything seems to be with this.

    I have to do some more deep thinking (and avoid listening to the whole sex tape for clues, I'm really trying not to have to do that. lol).


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  20. gcharlie

    gcharlie Well-Known Member

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    Great observation about the memory stick. I had not realized that the memory stick did not belong to Travis's Sony. For those who are interested, below is an image that shows the Sony memory stick (top) and the memory stick entered into evidence (bottom). The Sony memory stick picture is a stock photo of the memory stick for that particular camera; I researched the camera and found the specs for the original memory card.

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    The nude photos and the shower photos were recovered from the internal storage of the Sony, not from any external storage device.

    No wonder you question the memory stick that was entered into evidence. I am very curious about it as well. What camera did it fit? What was on it and why did it end up in the washing machine? With this information that is new to me, I now believe it was entirely possible that CMJA did transfer images onto TA's camera. Before, I considered that very far fetched, involving too much time and advance planning.

    I have always been in the camp that believed the camera was intentionally put in the washer in an attempt to appear to destroy evidence. Given that the memory stick does not belong to the Sony, I am even more convinced that both items were purposefully put into the washing machine.
     
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