17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #36

Discussion in 'George Zimmerman Trial/Trayvon Martin' started by SoSueMe, May 3, 2012.

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  1. zenreaper

    zenreaper New Member

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    Actually, that is self explainitory. GZ is trying to get up, thus exerting pressure upwards, TM is on top, covering his mouth and nose, pushing downward. TM has the added force of his body weight as well as gravity, which is more than enough to overcome GZ's neck muscles and force his head down.
     


  2. rossva

    rossva George Zimmerman: Innocent until proven guilty.

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    As far as I know, no evidence has yet been presented in the George Zimmerman self defense case. And, although many seem to have already convicted George Zimmerman, that hasn't happened in a court of law.

    So, to answer your question, no, it's not. It is, however, about your favorite acquitted individual.




     
  3. mikeysmommom

    mikeysmommom "A grandchild fills a space in your heart that you

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    Maybe TM's circling of his car is what GZ was talking about when he said he was acting suspicious and might be on drugs. I would think someone was high if they did that to me.When I call police I usually do not go into every minute detail with them, I usually wait for the police to show up and then explain the complete situation.JMO but thats how I do it.
     
  4. MaryAnn

    MaryAnn New Member

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    Are you 16? If you're not I don't know how you can even slightly know what a teenager would do in that situation. I don't know if I at that age would have called 911. Now that I'm an old fa*t yes, but at that age probably not. I might mention it to a friend or parent, but doubt I would call 911.
     
  5. Desdemona

    Desdemona * * * * Desi * * * *

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    Yes, the detective did state that... the same detective who is co-author and signatory to the charging document, which states that Trayvon was "trying to run home" and other details, which I believe will be proven inconsistent with the actual evidence. JMO
     
  6. LinasK

    LinasK Verified insider- Mark Dribin case

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    We've already hashed this out on other threads. It's an indirect order, a more formal polite way to say the same thing- the meaning is clear: don't follow!
    Even George's previous lawyer in another case said he doesn't follow instructions well- he wants to find it out for himself! Probably why he never made in into a police academy.
     
  7. Nova

    Nova Well-Known Member

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    I imagine things have changed since the days when most families had just the one phone and parents knew who was calling their kids. Nowadays, kids have so many ways to communicate, it wouldn't be hard to conceal a boyfriend or girlfriend from your parents (just out of shyness; I'm not suggesting a major conspiracy).
     
  8. pcrum12

    pcrum12 Well-Known Member

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    IIRC the GF claims that their conversation about GZ was much more involved, not just a mention. TM told her he was being followed even. She even told him to run! If true, I would think she would have at least told her parents or someone. As far as 911, she could have given his cell number and maybe they could have found his location and got call to appropriate jurisdiction. I mean, surely TM had told her I'm in Sanford FL. Instead, it appears MOO that she didn't give it a second thought and went about her normal daily life. Just seems hinky to me. JMO and :moo:
     
  9. LambChop

    LambChop Former Member

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    She was subpoened to testify to the Grand Jury. So what do you think she was going to discuss with them? And wouldn't SA have the documentation to back it up seeing how important her testimony was that she received a subpoena????? We've seen TM's phone record and the length of time he was on the phone with the GF. It was also reported they spent 400 minutes of telephone time talking that day. jmo
     
  10. Concerned Papa

    Concerned Papa New Member

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    IDK, you're using the Seminole Tax Collector's site and I'm using the Seminole Property Appraiser's site. Not sure why it doesn't come up at the Tax Collector's site, but got to this link:

    http://scpaweb.scpafl.org/v3/

    Click on Address....then enter TWIN TREES in the search window.....click Execute Search.....when the list comes up, go down to the 10th property owner down from the top.....click on that parcel and the plat and owner's info comes up.

    I learned a long time ago the value of an appraiser's site in any county in FL. Tons of info is available. You can go from plat view to aerial view with a click if you choose.

    Hope this helps.
     
  11. vlpate

    vlpate Sleuther with a porpoise

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    The hand he was using to cover his mouth? A 6'3" person is going to have pretty big hands. I would imagine GZ was lifting his head while trying to move away from the cement and TM was slamming it back down with the hand over his mouth. JMO
     
  12. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    It might be enough to push his head downward but merely pushing his head downward is not the kind of repeated bashing that was described and allegedly caused a fear of life-altering brain injury. It requires a back and forth motion which is impossible if one is simultaneously using one's body weight to muffle the mouth and push the head down.
     
  13. zenreaper

    zenreaper New Member

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    Actually, being 16 would be MORE of a reason to call 911. You ever meet a 16 year old that didn't LIVE and LOVE to be in the middle or DRAMA?
     
  14. flourish

    flourish Now With 30% More Emo

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    Why are you sure that she knew he was at "The Retreat in Sanford?" Is there a link stating she knew the name of the complex he was staying at? I couldn't tell you the names of the complexes my friends live in, in or out of town...
     
  15. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    It would have been easy for GZ to stop the near-fatal head bashing then by just stopping to lift his head and try to move in a rolling motion instead.
     
  16. mommakk51

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    GZ's apology was exactly what Sybrina had spoke of in the media. He told her he was sorry for her loss, that he did not know how old Tray was, or if he was armed. Those were questions that Sybrina had asked. He had an explanation about why he could not talk to them until that day- he'd been advised not to.

    IF it is true, that GZ had ptsd after all this happened, then the first step to him getting better would be to face what caused it. He faced it. His apology served both him, and Sybrina, as she got the answers she was looking for. I didn't see a thing wrong with it. :moo::moo::moo:
     
  17. deelytful1

    deelytful1 *~a mere mortal~*

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    George Zimmerman's lies will all come back to haunt him (and prosecute him) How will a jury every believe a WORD he says about the "attack" (which the whole SYG defense hinges upon) when he has lied so many times.
    I can't wait!!
     
  18. zenreaper

    zenreaper New Member

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    Not really. When GZ's head is raised, there is no resistance, so it is easier to push it down. When it reaches the hard surface (concrete or whatever), the force required increases, and the pain gives GZ a boost of adrenaline, giving him the force to push back. When TM feels the head rising again, he applies more force and it goes back down.

    Actually, quite easy to see it happening that way.
     
  19. LinasK

    LinasK Verified insider- Mark Dribin case

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    Maybe not. We haven't heard where TM's cell was found, only that it was locked. Her calling 911 would NOT have made the difference between life and death for TM in this case, so we really ought to stop picking on the girlfriend's actions.
     
  20. MaryAnn

    MaryAnn New Member

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    No, can't say that I have!!
     
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