20/20 Special - The List: Who Killed Jonbenet? on 15 Jan 2021

Discussion in 'JonBenet Ramsey' started by sgrump, Jan 15, 2021.

  1. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    10,826
    Likes Received:
    3,223
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Colorado303,
    Probably as it would show up under a particular light spectrum, did they do it, I don't know.

    They tested for fingerprints, which left the flashlight miscolored.

    Similar for the batteries, with no results, so its possible someone wiped the batteries clean?

    .
     
    Colorado303 and Tadpole12 like this.


  2. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    10,826
    Likes Received:
    3,223
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Colorado303,

    It's likely part of a prior staging, which was abandoned in favor of the wine-cellar or similar hideout.

    Flashlight in the kitchen
    [​IMG]

    Screen capture from Court TV "Anatomy of a Cold Case" 7/6/06
    [​IMG]
    There is another photograph out there showing a pillow in the kitchen. So here is a guess:

    JonBenet was moved to the kitchen, either from her bedroom or the basement, and her head placed on the pillow.

    Now contrary to humane expectations this was not for comfort, but so that JonBenet's death could be staged, e.g. whacking her on the head with the flashlight.

    Once done it was apparent that it left no visible sign of death, this aspect would not be revealed until Coroner Meyer peeled back JonBenet's scalp to show a rectangular fracture, so those staging moved on to something more evident, e.g. ligature asphyxiation.

    otg has a comprehensive post on the head injury here:
    JonBenet's Skull Fractures: The Weapon
    .
     
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2021
    Colorado303 and Tadpole12 like this.
  3. Rain on my Parade

    Rain on my Parade Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    655
    Likes Received:
    1,100
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Jackaylyn,

    If you look at a mag lite you will notice it has a textured pattern. It has been my understanding that no fingerprints could be lifted because of this. As for the batteries ... they were wiped clean. Why? As for the touch dna we do not know the results of all that was tested.

    Also worth noting is the fact that the neighbor on the northwest side of the house noticed flashing lights coming from the kitchen area that night. Why?

    The explanation that makes the most sense to me for its presence is that, yes it was perhaps the murder weapon. I’ve been accidentally struck in the face with one and they can do serious damage; especially if with intent. What was the need for the flashlight in the first place? Apparently all the lights were working in the house that night. Therefore, I can see BR using it to sneak down in the basement with JB, placing it in his hand. I see no explanation for JR using
    the mag lite that night to take BR to bed.
     
    Kittybunny, Colorado303 and Tadpole12 like this.
  4. icedtea4me

    icedtea4me Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,698
    Likes Received:
    501
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I agree that John didn't need the Maglite to put Burke to bed, but he needed it for something else.

    The diameter of a Maglite is 1.5 inches, which means its circumference is 4.7 inches. Would you care to guess what else has a very similar circumference?

    ML300L 4D LED Long-Running Flashlight
     
    Tadpole12 likes this.
  5. Rain on my Parade

    Rain on my Parade Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    655
    Likes Received:
    1,100
    Trophy Points:
    93
    UKGuy,

    I opt for 2. But then watching JR during in all of his interviews he shakes his head yes when he is saying no and
    Vice Versa. So, given that he is so covering up for himself, not just BR.

    According to JR statement in his interview 4/ 30/97 he states thus:
    TT: Okay. You went upstairs and got ready for bed; was Patsy already in bed by the time you went upstairs?
    JR: She was in bed when I went to go to bed, I remember that. Uh, . . .

    And then just a few moments later he states thus:
    TT: Okay. You came to the top of the stairs after helping Burke get ready for bed, do you recall whether Patsy was in bed at that time?

    JR: I don’t remember, one way or the other.
     
    Colorado303 and Tadpole12 like this.
  6. Rain on my Parade

    Rain on my Parade Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    655
    Likes Received:
    1,100
    Trophy Points:
    93
    icedtea4me,
    I believe the R’s had this model:
    Maglite S2D016 2 D-Cell Maglite Flashlight

    Which was not an led flashlight. Therefore the diameter and circumference is different.
     
    Tadpole12 likes this.
  7. icedtea4me

    icedtea4me Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,698
    Likes Received:
    501
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This flashlight's barrel circumference is 39.67 mm which equals 1.56 inches.

    https://www.caulfieldindustrial.com/p/maglite-s2d016-black-2d-cell-incandescent-flashlight-/p-124146

    Would you still care to venture a guess as to what other cylindrical object also has a very similar circumference or shall I tell you?
     
    Tadpole12 likes this.
  8. Rain on my Parade

    Rain on my Parade Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    655
    Likes Received:
    1,100
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Tadpole12 likes this.
  9. root661

    root661 Active Member

    Messages:
    57
    Likes Received:
    152
    Trophy Points:
    33
    Would there be any blood the flashlight if the blow to the head didn't break the skin?
     
    Tadpole12 likes this.
  10. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    10,826
    Likes Received:
    3,223
    Trophy Points:
    113
    root661,
    Probably not, but there would be DNA. There are many tests for blood, e.g. Luminol, also an infrared photograph taken with a filter would show any presence of blood.

    There was blood on JonBenet's Pink Barbie Nightgown, found in the wine-cellar, which might be spatter, similarly there might be spatter on the flashlight, e.g. cross transfer from the person who wiped her down?

    So it's an open question.

    .
     
    Colorado303, Tadpole12 and root661 like this.
  11. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    10,826
    Likes Received:
    3,223
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Rain on my Parade,
    Sure, which is why I flagged up it needs to be verified. As per normal the R's use ramnesia to their advantage.

    Essentially does not matter since we can demonstrate all three Ramseys colluded in postmortem staging.

    What we do not really know is who did what?

    From memory in some other interview Patsy says John went to bed and she stayed up preparing for a fast exit the following morning?

    .
     
    Tadpole12 likes this.
  12. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    10,826
    Likes Received:
    3,223
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Rain on my Parade,
    None of the R's needed a flashlight to navigate their own house. They had wall switches for that.

    Now one room where the light switch did not work was JonBenet's bedroom, go figure.

    The unanswered question is why Burke Ramsey would need a flashlight to navigate his own house, and why John Ramsey would alibi him for it?

    IMO BPD can link Burke Ramsey to the flashlight, say via touch-dn, or some body fluid?

    The flashlight looks like the weapon which administered the head blow, then again it might just be staging?

    Look where it was left!

    .
     
    Colorado303 and Tadpole12 like this.
  13. Badsleuth

    Badsleuth New Member

    Messages:
    26
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    3
    I dont care what the experts say or were paid to say PATSY WROTE THAT RIDICULOUS RANSOM NOTE that would never be written by a kidnapper ever- He's gonna take 2 hours to write that insane note and then leave the body in the house -AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SO dumb
     
    Tadpole12 likes this.
  14. icedtea4me

    icedtea4me Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,698
    Likes Received:
    501
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No, an erect adult male penis.
     
    Tadpole12 likes this.
  15. root661

    root661 Active Member

    Messages:
    57
    Likes Received:
    152
    Trophy Points:
    33
    When I look at the pictures of that messy basement, I would need a flashlight down there. I might need one in the daytime as well.
     
    RL2 and Tadpole12 like this.
  16. Rain on my Parade

    Rain on my Parade Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    655
    Likes Received:
    1,100
    Trophy Points:
    93
    UKGuy,

    I believe I have read that somewhere before as well.
     
    Tadpole12 likes this.
  17. proust20

    proust20 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    314
    Likes Received:
    491
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Whoever struck JB could not have known that there'd not be any visible bleeding.

    Discussion of the flashlight should encompass whether the head blow came before or after the strangulation.
     
    Colorado303, root661 and Tadpole12 like this.
  18. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    10,826
    Likes Received:
    3,223
    Trophy Points:
    113
    proust20,
    It's highly unlikely the head blow came after the ligature asphyxiation as JonBenet was then dead, so no scope for blunt force trauma to effect her brain.

    This does not prevent JonBenet from being manually asphyxiated, say by a choke hold being applied as a crude restraint, possibly causing JonBenet to become unconcious and lapse into a coma via pressure on her vagus nerve.

    The blunt force trauma might simply represent a failed first attempt at staging. Followed up by the use of the ligature and paintbrush which visibly suggests the manner of death?

    .
     
    Rain on my Parade and Tadpole12 like this.
  19. proust20

    proust20 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    314
    Likes Received:
    491
    Trophy Points:
    63
    I lean towards the blowing coming secondly. The lack of bleeding in JB's brain indicates that she was already dead when hit. The blow to the head would then be staging. However, would the person who struck JB know that there wouldn't be a lot of blood? After all, a bloody mess could have been sought after in order to make the WC scene even more gruesome?

    If the blow was dealt firstly because of an impulsive moment of rage, the object used (maybe a flashlight) would have to be close at hand. The Rs were vague about where they usually kept the MagLite. On the other hand, if JB had already been killed, there would have been time to look around for the proper weapon. Perhaps even the actual weapon along with a decoy which could be utilized for misdirection?
     
    Tadpole12 likes this.
  20. icedtea4me

    icedtea4me Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,698
    Likes Received:
    501
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The displaced fragment of skull would've created an opening for the blood to seep out. It would've gone from between the skull and the brain to between the skull and the scalp.

    http://www.acandyrose.com/12271996jonbenet07.gif
     
    proust20 and Tadpole12 like this.

Share This Page



  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice