2010.09.07 - Ron talking to LE per AH on JVM

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  1. krkrjx

    krkrjx Nezahrávej si se mnou.

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    I am sure Tommy's lies played some part in his drug sentencing because the judge is human and thus not able to completely ignore everything else going on with this group. Some people can effectively ignore most of what they hear but still cannot "un-hear" what they have previously heard. It's similar to being in court and having a judge strike certain testimony. That judge orders the jury to not consider that testimony when deciding the case, but there is no way for the judge to order them to un-hear it.

    I do think, though, that Werter hurt his client more than helped him.
     


  2. dodie20

    dodie20 New Member

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    That was a very interesting read, & if this is what's being used, Ron doesn't have the upper hand at all, so he'd better be careful. & reading this really makes me wonder how much involvement Ron's gonna admit to. I'm guessing a lot, because after all of this time, he's finally admitting to the gun fight. After reading this, I get the feeling that these agreements are saved for some pretty guilty people...people who have aided, abetted, & participated in cover-ups. & if they don't honor their end of the agreement, it's just that much easier to prosecute them.
     
  3. SoSueMe

    SoSueMe Former Member

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    I made another post after my little mini rant and it's not here. Did I just exit out of it? (LOL, wouldn't surprise me)

    Anyway, thank you krk for your informative post #357. I posted my mini rant before I saw your post.
     
  4. SoSueMe

    SoSueMe Former Member

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    And now I can't thank anyone. I just need to exit out altogether I guess. I'll try again later.
     
  5. KSH352

    KSH352 New Member

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    The State Attorney took a long time to prove Tommy was not just a small time dealer of drugs. That he had the connections to provide as many pills as needed by the buyer. And his method of acquiring the drugs also proved he had been doing this for a long time to have built up his connections confidence so that person would sell him large amounts of drugs.

    In my opinion the state did an excellent job. I didn't feel the sentence had anything to do with the HaLeigh case. Werter is the one that kept bring up Tommy's information given about HaLeigh and the State knocked down any creditability to Tommy's statements. The State Attorney said Tommy gave them nothing but LIES.
     
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  6. twall

    twall Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the link, I didn't get through it all but I get the jist of it.

    Just as I thought, those working to find Haleigh and justice for her have Daddy right where they want him. He will sink his own ship. I hope Ron has his life jacket handy because he's going to need it real soon.

    Even though the information you gave the link to is for federal cases I assume it works the same way for state cases?

    JMO
     
  7. Peliman

    Peliman New Member

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    Hi Twall, yes it works the same from everything I've read so far. The link I posted seemed to explain it best. It does seem to be somewhat revolving law over the years. I'll tell you it's new to me but quite educational at the same time. Lots of legal wrangling going on at this point. A search will provide several links on proffer and "queen for a day" agreements.

    Yes I did read of proffers in the state of Fla, KP also mentioned it at the beginning of Levi's radio show 2 nights ago which if everyone missed might listen to, it was informative regarding legal strategies including reduction of sentences ect. - Don't understand it all yet.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/09/09/levi-page-show
     
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  8. lil momma

    lil momma New Member

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    Hi SoSueMe!

    Refresh your page.. (up at the top near the url bar :) )

    Hope this helps! (i too, hate when that happens...lol)
     
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  9. kolokolo

    kolokolo Well-Known Member

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    Whoa! So you think the "we" individual could be TERESA? WOW, I hope Aunt Lisa marched down to LE and set the record straight ... "Misty must have me confused with Teresa." I know if I wasnt there and Misty pulled my name out of thin air, I'd be on LE doorstep with GMS so she could clear that piece of information up. The visit per GMS and the "we" individual is a critical part of the timeline, this was the last time anyone in the Cummings family saw lil Haleigh alive. Im sure the Cummings family would want this cleared up ... wouldnt they? JMHO
     
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  10. Emeralgem

    Emeralgem New Member

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    Tommy a BIG TIME DEALER? Frankly, I really don't believe that...JMHO
     
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  11. Emeralgem

    Emeralgem New Member

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    I don't think so.. I doubt anyone in Ronald's family wants anything cleared up..JMHO
     
  12. krkrjx

    krkrjx Nezahrávej si se mnou.

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    I don't see Tommy as a big time dealer, but as a small time dealer of long standing.
     
  13. lil momma

    lil momma New Member

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    Thanks for this Peliman! It was a great read. After reading this, if this is what process is being used i feel much better about the deal Ron has made.....

    as i have said before....give em a rope they'll hang themselves.

    i would prefer to sit with a miller lite and some popcorn :)
     
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  14. lil momma

    lil momma New Member

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    One would think people would want their name out of this mess. The only thing that TN wanted cleared up, during the last 18-19 months is that Ron is highly intelligent :waitasec:, a GREAT father :sick:, he was at work :sick:, and Misty is the BEST girlfriend EVER. :dance:

    JMO

    I don't think TN has ever cleared up anything other than that.
     
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  15. kolokolo

    kolokolo Well-Known Member

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    Mahalo for the link Peli, such a great read! One word .... BACHI!

    Too much crime goes unpunished, NOT this time. Somebody/somebodies are going down and probably Ron himself!

    Proffer + Risk = Justice for lil Haleigh

    JMHO
     
  16. krkrjx

    krkrjx Nezahrávej si se mnou.

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    :clap:

    BRAVO!
     
  17. lonetraveler

    lonetraveler Crime Addict

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    I noticed that as well, azwriter. First, I just assumed that he was nodding to family members but aren't the family usually sitting behind the defendant?
     
  18. suspicious1

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    Kolo, I always found it hard to believe that the aunt was there with GMSykes that evening. Just look at how that information unfolded. It is my belief that Teresa was trying to refute the claims of Misty not being at the mh that evening....Teresa needed away to place Misty at the mh and to be seen by someone in the Cummings family AFTER Ron went to work. Kinda like "she was there because I sent a family member over there and they saw HER".

    First
    -Teresa claims that "she sent a family member over" to check on the kids. She did not mention who this family member was. And she said she sent A family member over, not plural. so I assumed she sent one person over there.

    Then
    -GMSykes comes to her defense and claims that SHE was the one that stopped by the mh that evening. And although we heard alot of "we", GMSykes didn't mention who was with her that evening.

    -Misty, initially, did not mention that GMSykes had been at the mh Feb.9th. We did not hear Misty admit to her being there until August, I think. And then Misty is the one who brought up the Aunt being there as well. That was the first time we heard that name.

    IMO, Teresa and GMSykes were together that evening. I was thinking that maybe when all this happened, Misty was told not to mention them being there or Misty was not present when that visit occurred.

    So, IMO, Misty had to add that little bit of information in August because Teresa and GMSykes had already put it out there to the public. So, once again, they needed Misty to back up that part of the story. And Misty did just that. But not until August when Teresa demanded that Misty be tested AGAIN with the help of Nejame and Tim Miller.

    There is no doubt in my mind that Teresa and the Cummings put Misty in the hot seat and then set out to destroy her credibility. For their own purposes.

    JMO of course
     
  19. Levi

    Levi Well-Known Member

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    Hi guys, I haven't read all the posts on this thread but I wanted to add my 2 cents.

    I think this is actually a VERY good sign that LE knows and thinks that Ron played a role and has knowledge concerning the Haleigh Cummings case.

    I think LE basically had Ron backed into a corner on the drug trafficking charges and Ron knows they have something "explosive" against him concerning the Haleigh investigation that they have not yet released to the public.

    So I think Ron took a gamble and agreed to give them info. The info Ron gave the SA, cannot be used against him in any future case, BUT the catch is, the SA/LE can supplement the info, investigate the info he gives and use what they gain from other sources against him in any future trial.

    Furthermore, this means that LE/SA got to basically grill the heck out of Ron and put him under a cross exam from HELL. Because in this scenario, there would be no judge there to over rule their questions, and Ron basically has to give an answer, or the prosecution wouldn't "play ball" with him.

    We've had Misty talk, Tommy talk, but Ron hasn't talked. This is a man that has lawered up very early on. Now he has finally talked.

    This proves once and for all, that he is a target (maybe even the main target) in LE's investigation into whatever happened to Haleigh.

    Also, if the SA/LE can prove that Ron lied to them concerning any info, all deals are off and he gets the max. The judge even warned Ron about that during his last court appearance.
     
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  20. Nonni Brenda

    Nonni Brenda Georgia girl

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    Your posts always make me feel a little better, Levi, that LE and SA may definitely be on top of this case. Thanks
     
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