2011.05.16 -War Room map

Discussion in 'Kyron Horman' started by Kimster, May 17, 2011.

  1. Kimster

    Kimster Former Member

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    Many thanks to Chili Fries for this map! It deserves it's own thread! What can we glean from this map?


     
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  3. Billylee

    Billylee New Member

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    Do those numbers mean time? As in military time, as in 11:18 pm? and 11:57 pm?
     
  4. Chili Fries

    Chili Fries Man Sleuth

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    Kimster I can't say for sure that's a ping map. If it is a ping map I believe "sec" is the abbreviation for sector. Each cell is divided up into sectors, usually 3 per tower but it can be 6. The sectors are given numbers. So on the map, 2357-2363 might cover 3 sectors which are individually numbered 2357, 2360 and 2363.

    Unfortunately I really don't understand all of this well enough to know how a ping map would be generated and how the sector info would be used to find the possible location so I can't say this is definitley a ping map. Maybe someone else will have some insight.
     
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    loves2bmom New Member

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  6. Kimster

    Kimster Former Member

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    Locals, wasn't the map from the "war room" and identified as a ping map on the news last night? I don't get Portland channels where I live, but that's what I thought is was about. Let me verify with our locals.
     
  7. Kimster

    Kimster Former Member

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    :gasp:

    Someone is going to be saying "link please" and I don't have one!
     
  8. gwenabob

    gwenabob A nice girl with a disturbing hobby

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    loves2bmom New Member

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    I personally did not hear them say it was a ping map. They referred to the maps more in the general sense when they were discussing where they searched.
     
  10. gwenabob

    gwenabob A nice girl with a disturbing hobby

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    If it were military time, it would mean near midnight. 11:18 in the a.m. is simply 11:18.
     
  11. Kimster

    Kimster Former Member

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    I'd better change the title of this thread until we find out for sure, or get a time out. One of the two. :D
     
  12. momtective

    momtective Lifetime WS Non-Mod

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    At first I thought the numbers were longitude and latitude but I tried sticking them in google and well...there not.
     
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    matou #los2188

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    daisy7 Retired WS Staff

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  15. Billylee

    Billylee New Member

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    Exactly, the photo shows 2300 hour. Which, would be PM yes?
     
  16. Chili Fries

    Chili Fries Man Sleuth

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    It's definitely not time, there is no 23:63.

    I do think cell tower sectors is the most likely thing I've seen and the circles look like other ping location maps I've seen but again I can't be sure. Sector data is not something you can look up on the internet like tower locations, you'd have to be in the technical end of the cell phone business to know where to find it.
     
  17. freefallzzzz

    freefallzzzz New Member

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    Here is the end/gated part of Rentenaar Rd. I am standing up on the berm/levee shooting the camera behind the gate looking down Rentenaar Rd which then goes straight down to Reeder Rd.
    You can see vehicles parked in the parking lot, this is a popular place to come look at wildlife.
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    There is a road that goes beyond the gate but on the map in the first post of this thread, that circle is centered at the gate area parking lot (public).

    Searchers were seen by me off this road (there are some dirt roads that go off Rentenaar Rd where they were seen) and search tape was seen w/grids marked right near the gate at the end of Rentenaar off into a field.

    If you are in picture above (click to make bigger) grid search tape was seen to left and on the "open" side of the road just before the parking lot and searchers were seen by me down to the right and down the road closer to Reeder Rd.

    I don't think this area is of interest anymore, my guess from being out there is IF it was a cell ping it was from the parking lot - public - OR this was just a location they picked due to the parking lot at the end of the road and it fans out so many feet in each direction..

    I have one photobucket album link below just of Rentenaar Rd and some other pictures of searchers in one of my other albums I'll have to dig them up if anybody wants.

    http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/10 03 2010 search kyron off renteaar rd/
     
  18. freefallzzzz

    freefallzzzz New Member

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    I just thought the numbers referred to the assigned grid sectors for the search teams.
    Hearing them on the radio they would say they were finished with their section, sector.

    But I know nothing of SAR information.

    Kimster that screenshot came from KATU's website video.. =)
    I don't believe they ever said what kind of map it was..
     
  19. Kimster

    Kimster Former Member

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    Because it said "Ring 3", I thought it was a ping map.

    Kimster fail.
     
  20. freefallzzzz

    freefallzzzz New Member

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    During all the searches, searchers will call out UTM's when they find something or telling SAR base where they are, etc.
    For example here is a set of UTM's that were called out on Sauvie's Island in June (I can't tell you the date I have so many and I didn't write the date on this so I think it was just them calling out a location)

    Easting 0515133
    Northing 5059757

    If you convert to lat/long it is past the intersection of Reeder/Rentenaar Rd - Actually it's past the Gilbert Boat Ramp and on the little road that goes to the handicapped fishing area. I also saw and have pics of search tape in this area I took in November when they were searching in the water right by the dock.

    I don't see any relations to the UTM's and the map, but???
    Thought that may be useful if someone does see a connection.

    Below is a link to convert UTM's to lat/long, you have to have the right Zone (10) and type of map, I believe it should come through on the link..

    This link has been my best friend =)

    http://www.rcn.montana.edu/resource...&mdt=NAD83/WGS84&z=10&e=0515133&n=5059757&h=N
     
  21. freefallzzzz

    freefallzzzz New Member

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    I wouldn't discount that yet.. I wish I could see more maps with those rings to see if they are just in locations (dead end roads, parking lots, etc) or what..

    Could be a ping..??
     

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