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Discussion in 'George Zimmerman Trial/Trayvon Martin' started by TonyGatto, May 17, 2012.

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  1. lisalei321

    lisalei321 Founding Member of AFKBPOFPOPL

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    Somebody needs to get in serious trouble for that :eek: (not you Doc, the person who took the picture)

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  2. vlpate

    vlpate Sleuther with a porpoise

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    I don't think he can sue Crump or Natalie Jackson, but he can sue others who had absolute knowledge what they were saying was untrue. Hopefully their money won't be spent by the time the suits are filed. JMO

    Jackson and Crump were not even good at pulling all of this off. In fact, they are the main reason I never bought it hook, line, and sinker, in the first place. Of course this is a horrible tragedy, but it's a rare circumstance when an absolute monster meets up with an absolute angel and for no reason whatsoever, the monster shoots the angel down. JMO
     
  3. Lovelymountains

    Lovelymountains New Member

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    While it would be most insensitive for a white kid to put on a sheet and walk through a black neighborhood under any circumstances, considering the history of the KKK, I see no comparison in that and Trayvon Martin walking through George Zimmerman's neighborhood.
    IMO the costume which Trayvon Martin was wearing and the costume which seems to so have offended Mr. Zimmerman is the costume with which Mr. Martin was born----his black skin. IMO it cost TM his life.
     
  4. Phoenixfla

    Phoenixfla New Member

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    I dont think that WAS GOOD for Trayvon as it appears to many that was the beginning of what lead to his death.
     
  5. tehcloser

    tehcloser New Member

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    Does anyone have a quick link to the witness statements? TIA. Also, I'm guessing there is still alot thas was not released? GZ's dr. report, the text messages.......etc.
     
  6. gxm

    gxm Active Member

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    Maybe he heard the dog that got loose rustling around in the bushes?
     
  7. Lovelymountains

    Lovelymountains New Member

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    There is no evidence whatsoever that TM started the fight with the person who was harrassing him and following him on a dark, rainy night. No witness claims to have seen the start of the fight, nor is there a witness who claims to have seen the end of it, which cost TM his life. We have only Zimmerman's word for it, which IMO, can't be relied on because it is self-serving.
    The video which you embedded illustrates perfectly what can happen to a bully when he tries to intimidate a man who appears to be standing on his porch minding his own business. He could just have easily been walking down a sidewalk in the dark when confronted by this bully. And if it were in FL the bully could claim he feared for his life, pull out a gun and shoot.
     
  8. grammieto5

    grammieto5 Well-Known Member

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    I agree! Unless I've missed it, we don't know what was in GZ'z system. He could have been smoking weed also ????
     
  9. wowitsdark

    wowitsdark Well-Known Member

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    Actually, I believe this assertion to be false.

    GZ was *not* told *not* to follow TM.

    He was told that it was not *necessary*.

    I believe the exact words were, "Okay, we don't need you to do that."

    That is not very strong language. "Do not do that" and "I don't need you to do that" are not the same.

    Consider that GZ had called in suspicious persons before, and LE arrived and was unable to locate them because of the time it took them to arrive and the fact that the suspicious individuals had left the premises (or hidden). IIRC, a crime or two occurred in the time it took LE to arrive after a called-in report of a suspicious person.

    If I lived in a neighborhood that had been plagued with breaking and entering episodes, and had experienced LE not being able to arrive in time to detain people because they were gone by the time LE got there, if someone who was not present to see what I could see told me I did not *need* to maintain visual contact with a suspicious person, well...

    My thought would be, "You aren't here. You can't see what I can see - that he just turned a corner and could end up going one of three different directions while he's out of my line of vision. You probably don't know that half the time when I call, the police get here too late to find anybody I called about. So *you* may not think me maintaining visual contact is necessary... but I'm the one with boots on the ground in my neighborhood - on the sidewalk where I walk my dog every single night - and I know that if the police are going to question the guy I'm watching, I *will* need to be able to tell them specifically where he is. I know from experience that I do *need* to keep watching him. If I don't, there will have been no point to my having made this call in the first place."
     
  10. mikeysmommom

    mikeysmommom "A grandchild fills a space in your heart that you

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    Well it is legal to follow and GZ was not charged with stalking.Sorry but we all have the right to criminal profile anyone we choose.TM would never have been killed if he did not confront(TM gf )GZ and assaulted him.It is 2012 many more people are carrying a gun and have a right in that state as well as many others to do so.It turned out deadly because the person TM assaulted had a weapon and was able to use it to save his own life.When my son was 15 I had the talk with him I call it walking while being a teenager of any color.He was told many people carry guns teens,and adults and in my state it is not legal to do so for 99% of the people.I told him to never assault anyone because unless they are naked they could be armed.To avoid confrontations at all cost.Be respectful to police even if they are harassing you just because your a smartazz teenager because they have a gun and can shoot you because your acting like a smartazz and say you went for it, your dead they get a promotion or a few days off. Everyone LE and all the rest of us do have a tendency to CRIMINALLY profile teens because most teens are usually up to something.HE also was given the driving at 17 continually be pulled over by police talk when he started to drive.My son was 15 exactly 15 years ago it was needed then and that talk is needed even more today.AS his parent it was my responsibility to at least try to make him understand that every action we do in our life causes a reaction.Unfortunately we can only control are own actions, the reaction is in someone else s hands that he was told as soon as he was school aged.
     
  11. Zak

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    Thanks for posting the picture. By the time I found it I found out that I don't know how to post a picture. Then my computer started moving sooooo slow that my response to you was very late. Thanks again!

    I did read in the docs that the can came out of Trayvon's pocket during CPR.
     
  12. Florida Native

    Florida Native Active Member

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    Jumping off of this comment here, has there been any proof shown that GZ continued to follow TM after this, or any proof that he stopped? I'm asking because I recall thinking I heard GZ answer the 911 operator with "ok". It's been awhile since I listened to the tape so I could be wrong but almost swear I heard that.

    Also, didn't GZ say he was on his way to Target when this happened? If so, it makes having a gun on neighborhood watch moot. IMO.
     
  13. cityslick

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    I don't think the phone stuff has been released yet but I think it's on the way. Dr's report hasn't been fully released yet either.
     
  14. suspicious1

    suspicious1 Active Member

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    LMAO

    So the autopsy report shows who started the fight? LMAO

    Like Concerned Papa said in the post you responded to, it just shows that GZ got his azz handed to him by a 17 year old..

    How does those injuries show GZ was attacked by surprise? LMAO

    I guess...

    Still LMAO.
     
  15. Lovelymountains

    Lovelymountains New Member

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    Interesting little story but what does it have to do with the subject at hand?
    I don't think your experiences at a camp in the Poconos have anything to do with the death of TM. I'm glad you have no prejudice against African-Americans, but I doubt GZ could tell such a charming little story. Maybe you are saying "Some of my best friends are black?" I believe that's what GZ's family was contending with their claims of GZ handing out flyers.
     
  16. jjenny

    jjenny Well-Known Member

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    Apparently reporter couldn't read handwriting on the diagram. What he thought says "bruise" actually says "brown" with an arrow pointing to an eye, as in "brown" eyes.
    What he thought said "blood spot" actually says "black short" with an arrow pointing to the hair, as in "black short" hair.
    There were only two injuries to Trayvon- bullet wound and laceration on a fourth left finger.
     
  17. suspicious1

    suspicious1 Active Member

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    So in the process of CPR, the can came out of Trayvon's pocket?

    I wonder how it managed to stay in his pocket during this life or death scuffle....doesn't make sense to me.

    JMO
     
  18. cityslick

    cityslick New Member

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    Nevertheless, how have you proven that GZ is the one that instigated the confrontation?
     
  19. Lovelymountains

    Lovelymountains New Member

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    Me too.

    No autopsy could show who started the fight. It's amazing what lengths people will go to to attempt to prove a point. I'm laughing too.
     
  20. grammieto5

    grammieto5 Well-Known Member

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    Could it have been from Trayvon throwing his Arizona Tea can at GZ while GZ was walking back to his vehicle???? I did not read this any where, I just thought this when I read your post.
     
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