SIMLYME....You are probably right...but right now I am in "Sleuth Tech Heaven" actually having a posted a picture, so that others, can easily discredit my theory, LOL! (I thought I was going to burst a blood vessel trying to use that red paint brush thing to work...can't you tell from how shaky my hand was?)
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I feel ya
But I really don't think they got in that door, I think they just walked in one of the side doors closest to the garage and got her very shortly after she got home If someone had seen them and questioned them they would have sais something like "oh were here for maintenance" They knew the alarm was off, so it was a free for all. I don't even think they got in the door that was damaged, I believe that was staged to look like a break in. The door isn't all that damaged and why do that when they knew the house was open? That's where I think the staging comes in. I'm sorry for bringing you down on tech heaven 
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Very good KC! If she had a smaller bag in her backpack, then the larger one may have been left behind before they left.
As another poster mentioned, when traveling, I usually have a different bag, but transfer important things from the main bag to the travel bag.
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Good point and this would've been a 'gift' rather than a planned-out event.
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These flyers were located in TS's purse on the kitchen chair:
IPC...FOR LEASE etc.
This is the content from the "other" purse, that was located in her backpack, laying on the garage floor:
The sales tag of the small paper bag on the left says 2132 Tamiami Trail N in Naples. That's an organic General Store, "FOOD & THOUGHT":
http://foodandthought.com/
About 1.5 -2miles North of the organic store is ipc, a Realty company and the same business the flyers are from. I am wondering if TS just recently went up there, picked up the flyers and made a purchase at the organic store. There are plenty of law offices located in that area, by the way.
TS seems to have wanted to get out of her lease and to relocate the medical business. I am wondering, if there was any urgency to moving the business and if it was related to the operating cost/ lease etc. or other.
From Dr P's interview:
-Nin
IPC...FOR LEASE etc.
This is the content from the "other" purse, that was located in her backpack, laying on the garage floor:
The sales tag of the small paper bag on the left says 2132 Tamiami Trail N in Naples. That's an organic General Store, "FOOD & THOUGHT":
http://foodandthought.com/
About 1.5 -2miles North of the organic store is ipc, a Realty company and the same business the flyers are from. I am wondering if TS just recently went up there, picked up the flyers and made a purchase at the organic store. There are plenty of law offices located in that area, by the way.
TS seems to have wanted to get out of her lease and to relocate the medical business. I am wondering, if there was any urgency to moving the business and if it was related to the operating cost/ lease etc. or other.
From Dr P's interview:
-Nin
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Us folks on mobile phones really appreciate you posting a photograph in screen capture versus a link! Kudos !
Many times a link is done but we phone folks cannot easily view it unless screen cap photograph on the thread.
Thanks !
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In my many travels I have never once unpacked in the carport/garage. I am so eager to be at home that I have located the keys and everything I need to get inside of my home prior to my arrival, esp. so if it's nearly midnight.
I agree that it appears TS did not make it inside with her large piece of luggage. Beside it, I do not recognize a black back pack in the pile although it could be since her luggage appears nearly empty. Perhaps, as 'after' staging, the contents of her luggage was removed and placed into a pile near the luggage.
Bates # 28357 https://drive.google.com/folderview...sp=drive_web&tid=0B717FUtKwdU8VjNJU2JYclg5Mk0
In fact, she may not have been the one to remove the large luggage from her vehicle. The perp could have hidden in the garage next the motorcycle and trash can debris or anywhere in the crowded garage and with his quiet water shoes on his feet, snuck up on her, from behind, with the fishing line as soon as she exited the van. It is also possible that a gun was held at her back to ensure her cooperation.
The black back pack Bates # 28346 is between the freezer and her van. There is no reason for her to need to plunder through her back pack unless, as NIN theorized, the door into the home from the garage was locked from the inside and she needed a key to gain entry. Why would the perps want her to linger in the garage? Do the Sievers commonly leave the door unlocked but she found it unsuspicious that it was locked since MSs mom had been at the home several times?
There is a spool of fishing line (Bates # 29052 of the garage batch) on top of the refrigerator in the garage. At the doorway leading into the home, is a length of fishing line lying on the floor near the entry (Garage - Bates #s 28323) and more noticeably at # 28324 (Photos 1 & 2)
Spool of fishing line pictures with another hammer https://drive.google.com/folderview...sp=drive_web&tid=0B717FUtKwdU8VjNJU2JYclg5Mk0
Length of fishing line at door https://drive.google.com/folderview...sp=drive_web&tid=0B717FUtKwdU8VjNJU2JYclg5Mk0
Could the first perp have placed this fishing line around her neck and pushed her forward into the home where the 2nd perp opened the door and closed it after they were all 3 inside? If the perp was wearing gloves then the thin fishing line would not cut his hands. At this point, the hooded pillowcase or cloth could have been thrown over her head.
Dr. Sievers' black slippers (as Hawaiians refer to them) or black flip flops with the fancy embellishment, do not appear to be bloody. It's as if she walked out of them or kicked them off when attempting to hit her attackers.
This is not an easy discussion because we are writing about a lovely young woman with two little girls who died a premeditated and horrendous death.
As always just my opinion and not meant to offend anyone but rather to help establish how the perps planned to be successful at their evil deeds.
In my many travels I have never once unpacked in the carport/garage. I am so eager to be at home that I have located the keys and everything I need to get inside of my home prior to my arrival, esp. so if it's nearly midnight.
I agree that it appears TS did not make it inside with her large piece of luggage. Beside it, I do not recognize a black back pack in the pile although it could be since her luggage appears nearly empty. Perhaps, as 'after' staging, the contents of her luggage was removed and placed into a pile near the luggage.
Bates # 28357 https://drive.google.com/folderview...sp=drive_web&tid=0B717FUtKwdU8VjNJU2JYclg5Mk0
In fact, she may not have been the one to remove the large luggage from her vehicle. The perp could have hidden in the garage next the motorcycle and trash can debris or anywhere in the crowded garage and with his quiet water shoes on his feet, snuck up on her, from behind, with the fishing line as soon as she exited the van. It is also possible that a gun was held at her back to ensure her cooperation.
The black back pack Bates # 28346 is between the freezer and her van. There is no reason for her to need to plunder through her back pack unless, as NIN theorized, the door into the home from the garage was locked from the inside and she needed a key to gain entry. Why would the perps want her to linger in the garage? Do the Sievers commonly leave the door unlocked but she found it unsuspicious that it was locked since MSs mom had been at the home several times?
There is a spool of fishing line (Bates # 29052 of the garage batch) on top of the refrigerator in the garage. At the doorway leading into the home, is a length of fishing line lying on the floor near the entry (Garage - Bates #s 28323) and more noticeably at # 28324 (Photos 1 & 2)
Spool of fishing line pictures with another hammer https://drive.google.com/folderview...sp=drive_web&tid=0B717FUtKwdU8VjNJU2JYclg5Mk0
Length of fishing line at door https://drive.google.com/folderview...sp=drive_web&tid=0B717FUtKwdU8VjNJU2JYclg5Mk0
Could the first perp have placed this fishing line around her neck and pushed her forward into the home where the 2nd perp opened the door and closed it after they were all 3 inside? If the perp was wearing gloves then the thin fishing line would not cut his hands. At this point, the hooded pillowcase or cloth could have been thrown over her head.
Dr. Sievers' black slippers (as Hawaiians refer to them) or black flip flops with the fancy embellishment, do not appear to be bloody. It's as if she walked out of them or kicked them off when attempting to hit her attackers.
This is not an easy discussion because we are writing about a lovely young woman with two little girls who died a premeditated and horrendous death.
As always just my opinion and not meant to offend anyone but rather to help establish how the perps planned to be successful at their evil deeds.
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In my many travels I have never once unpacked in the carport/garage. I am so eager to be at home that I have located the keys and everything I need to get inside of my home prior to my arrival, esp. so if it's nearly midnight.
I agree that it appears TS did not make it inside with her large piece of luggage. Beside it, I do not recognize a black back pack in the pile although it could be since her luggage appears nearly empty. Perhaps, as 'after' staging, the contents of her luggage was removed and placed into a pile near the luggage.
Bates # 28357 https://drive.google.com/folderview...sp=drive_web&tid=0B717FUtKwdU8VjNJU2JYclg5Mk0
In fact, she may not have been the one to remove the large luggage from her vehicle. The perp could have hidden in the garage next the motorcycle and trash can debris or anywhere in the crowded garage and with his quiet water shoes on his feet, snuck up on her, from behind, with the fishing line as soon as she exited the van. It is also possible that a gun was held at her back to ensure her cooperation.
The black back pack Bates # 28346 is between the freezer and her van. There is no reason for her to need to plunder through her back pack unless, as NIN theorized, the door into the home from the garage was locked from the inside and she needed a key to gain entry. Why would the perps want her to linger in the garage? Do the Sievers commonly leave the door unlocked but she found it unsuspicious that it was locked since MSs mom had been at the home several times?
There is a spool of fishing line (Bates # 29052 of the garage batch) on top of the refrigerator in the garage. At the doorway leading into the home, is a length of fishing line lying on the floor near the entry (Garage - Bates #s 28323) and more noticeably at # 28324 (Photos 1 & 2)
Spool of fishing line pictures with another hammer https://drive.google.com/folderview...sp=drive_web&tid=0B717FUtKwdU8VjNJU2JYclg5Mk0
Length of fishing line at door https://drive.google.com/folderview...sp=drive_web&tid=0B717FUtKwdU8VjNJU2JYclg5Mk0
Could the first perp have placed this fishing line around her neck and pushed her forward into the home where the 2nd perp opened the door and closed it after they were all 3 inside? If the perp was wearing gloves then the thin fishing line would not cut his hands. At this point, the hooded pillowcase or cloth could have been thrown over her head.
Dr. Sievers' black slippers (as Hawaiians refer to them) or black flip flops with the fancy embellishment, do not appear to be bloody. It's as if she walked out of them or kicked them off when attempting to hit her attackers.
This is not an easy discussion because we are writing about a lovely young woman with two little girls who died a premeditated and horrendous death.
As always just my opinion and not meant to offend anyone but rather to help establish how the perps planned to be successful at their evil deeds.
To me, it looks too thick to be fishing line. JMO.
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Off topic here but IQuestion, my DH is a computer wizard and as long as it involves electronics he's got it covered. He also works so very hard and I feel so bad because I am unable to work outside the home anymore. I have the awesome tools and I know how to use them thanks to my dearly departed father who let me be his shadow while growing up.
I fix most everything round here and it's darn fun too. I also pay dearly for the handywomen work though. Yes, I fixed this and that, now I am in the bed for a week because of it. LOL
Happens all the time.
Whookay, carry on......
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I'm thinking it's too thick also but isn't salt water fishing line thicker and sometimes braided? Not sure if this fits the bill though.
We need us an expert.....
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And then there were two.
Bates #29833 from the garage
https://drive.google.com/folderview...sp=drive_web&tid=0B717FUtKwdU8VjNJU2JYclg5Mk0
Bates #29833 from the garage
https://drive.google.com/folderview...sp=drive_web&tid=0B717FUtKwdU8VjNJU2JYclg5Mk0
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Respectfully, for space, I removed the two photos but left the links
Badda Boom! Pretty sure you just discovered an important piece of evidence.
These flyers were located in TS's purse on the kitchen chair:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=87627&stc=1
IPC...FOR LEASE etc.
This is the content from the "other" purse, that was located in her backpack, laying on the garage floor:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=87629&stc=1
The sales tag of the small paper bag on the left says 2132 Tamiami Trail N in Naples. That's an organic General Store, "FOOD & THOUGHT":
http://foodandthought.com/
About 1.5 -2miles North of the organic store is ipc, a Realty company and the same business the flyers are from. I am wondering if TS just recently went up there, picked up the flyers and made a purchase at the organic store. There are plenty of law offices located in that area, by the way.
TS seems to have wanted to get out of her lease and to relocate the medical business. I am wondering, if there was any urgency to moving the business and if it was related to the operating cost/ lease etc. or other.
From Dr P's interview:
-Nin
Badda Boom! Pretty sure you just discovered an important piece of evidence.
I'm pretty sure that CWW was just shirtless when they came to raid his house at 6am that morning. I'm sure they did allow him to put on pants ...yuck
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Here is another picture of the envelope and its content, bates # 28090 and # 28091:
-Nin
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In my many travels I have never once unpacked in the carport/garage. I am so eager to be at home that I have located the keys and everything I need to get inside of my home prior to my arrival, esp. so if it's nearly midnight.
I agree that it appears TS did not make it inside with her large piece of luggage. Beside it, I do not recognize a black back pack in the pile although it could be since her luggage appears nearly empty. Perhaps, as 'after' staging, the contents of her luggage was removed and placed into a pile near the luggage.
Bates # 28357 https://drive.google.com/folderview...sp=drive_web&tid=0B717FUtKwdU8VjNJU2JYclg5Mk0
In fact, she may not have been the one to remove the large luggage from her vehicle. The perp could have hidden in the garage next the motorcycle and trash can debris or anywhere in the crowded garage and with his quiet water shoes on his feet, snuck up on her, from behind, with the fishing line as soon as she exited the van. It is also possible that a gun was held at her back to ensure her cooperation.
The black back pack Bates # 28346 is between the freezer and her van. There is no reason for her to need to plunder through her back pack unless, as NIN theorized, the door into the home from the garage was locked from the inside and she needed a key to gain entry. Why would the perps want her to linger in the garage? Do the Sievers commonly leave the door unlocked but she found it unsuspicious that it was locked since MSs mom had been at the home several times?
There is a spool of fishing line (Bates # 29052 of the garage batch) on top of the refrigerator in the garage. At the doorway leading into the home, is a length of fishing line lying on the floor near the entry (Garage - Bates #s 28323) and more noticeably at # 28324 (Photos 1 & 2)
Spool of fishing line pictures with another hammer https://drive.google.com/folderview...sp=drive_web&tid=0B717FUtKwdU8VjNJU2JYclg5Mk0
Length of fishing line at door https://drive.google.com/folderview...sp=drive_web&tid=0B717FUtKwdU8VjNJU2JYclg5Mk0
Could the first perp have placed this fishing line around her neck and pushed her forward into the home where the 2nd perp opened the door and closed it after they were all 3 inside? If the perp was wearing gloves then the thin fishing line would not cut his hands. At this point, the hooded pillowcase or cloth could have been thrown over her head.
Dr. Sievers' black slippers (as Hawaiians refer to them) or black flip flops with the fancy embellishment, do not appear to be bloody. It's as if she walked out of them or kicked them off when attempting to hit her attackers.
This is not an easy discussion because we are writing about a lovely young woman with two little girls who died a premeditated and horrendous death.
As always just my opinion and not meant to offend anyone but rather to help establish how the perps planned to be successful at their evil deeds.
This seems to be a cable (2) connected to the water softeners located outside. Here is a photograph that barely captures the cables, but you can see what I mean:
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I agree with you and I think it's electrical wire. Looks to be the right thickness, the colors of the wires coincide with electrical, too.
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There are people for whom the novelty of a lighter that looks like a weapon would be amusing. Picturing MS pointing this towards his face amuses me. :dunno:
I don't know how he would explain keeping it down by his driver's seat if he's not a cig smoker.
:bang: :giggle:
I googled rifle lighter and a few popped up - one is a 9" rifle, and also a mini machine gun lighter.
Nine inches seems awkward to try and aim at your face.
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A few days ago, we discussed the ability to match the pry marks on the door to a specific pry bar. I stated that it could be done if there were unique characteristics to the pry bar, such as notch-like edge indentations or chipped corners that showed up in the impressions on the door or door frame.
Looking at the image of the pry marks in this photo, I feel comfortable saying that the pry bar found in the saddle bag of the motorcycle did not make those pry marks.
The thing is that, while it can be difficult to make a definitive identification of a tool based on a tool mark impression, it is often easier to exclude a particular tool from making a tool mark impression based on class characteristics.
The pry bar found in the saddle bag is a carpentry tool. It has a notch that provides for nail removal. The image below shows a similar tool.
The impressions on the Sievers door have no corresponding notch impressions. IMO, the pry marks are more consistent with a mechanic's pry bar. The image below will give you an idea of the difference.
Looking at the image of the pry marks in this photo, I feel comfortable saying that the pry bar found in the saddle bag of the motorcycle did not make those pry marks.
The thing is that, while it can be difficult to make a definitive identification of a tool based on a tool mark impression, it is often easier to exclude a particular tool from making a tool mark impression based on class characteristics.
The pry bar found in the saddle bag is a carpentry tool. It has a notch that provides for nail removal. The image below shows a similar tool.
The impressions on the Sievers door have no corresponding notch impressions. IMO, the pry marks are more consistent with a mechanic's pry bar. The image below will give you an idea of the difference.
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I agree.
Seems so strange to keep that in his vehicle unless he smokes cigarettes. Unless he took that with him to MO for CWW's wedding/reception and never bothered to take it back in the house. Hopefully he did pull that lighter out at the reception and JR and CWW's fingerprints are all over it as well as MS's.
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This, pry bar along with (what looks like) a pair of denim overalls were found at TS' neighbor's front yard. The neighbor is located 2 doors south of TS' house (heading towards Longfellow Ln - away from Terry)
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B717FUtKwdU8TG1uYWZlNTAwQzA&usp=drive_web
ETA: Scout, it looks like the same type as what was found in the saddle bag.
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