250 kids suspended!

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  1. Linda7NJ

    Linda7NJ Active Member

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    250 Students Suspended Over Homework Assignment

    Officials Say More Students Could Be Suspended Tuesday

    LANCASTER, Texas -- Nearly 250 Lancaster High School students were suspended for not completing a homework assignment during their winter vacation.



    On Tuesday, the suspended students could be joined by hundreds of others in the district, including some kindergartners.



    Lancaster's superintendent said he does not care how the public receives the suspensions. His district is underachieving academically, and if adding a punitive component to homework helps, he said it is a program possibly worth expanding.



    Between 700 and 1,000 students district-wide did not finish their vacation projects, officials said. On Tuesday, the district will begin suspending students as young as 5 years old until they finish their projects.



    District leaders said they have received fewer than six complaints about the suspensions.

    http://www.nbc5i.com/education/5963817/detail.html


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    [font=verdana, arial, helvetica]I think it's fantastic! BRAVO to that superintendent!

    It just goes to show you how UNinvolved their parents are in their children's education. If inconveniencing parents is the way to motivate them into action... so be it!
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  3. T'sNana

    T'sNana Nana Extraordinaire

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    I agree. Someone has to take a stand and make people follow rules...otherwise we have adults who can't follow rules and we end up following their path of destruction on WS!
     
  4. lostfaith

    lostfaith Lost my mind too!

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    Maybe it will be productive, but I am sure the kids are enjoying the extra time off! What about making the kids stay after school until the assignments are done? I just feel if thier district is lagging behind, having the kids out of school isnt helping. My kids school did not give any assignments over the winter break. I think that was nice. Christmas is a hectic time for families, and I sure appreciated not having to worry about school work for the week after Christmas, we could just relax and have some fun.
     
  5. jannuncutt

    jannuncutt jannuncutt

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    I think that yours is a better solution.
     
  6. Mr. E

    Mr. E New Member

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    Why no more than 6 complaints? You'd think more parents would be upset.

    When our school district had consistently low scores on the state achievement tests, they tried a different solution: year-round schools. Now a handful of the elementary schools are year-round (the schools with the worst problems and scores). After 2 years of year-round school, many areas of academics have improved, including attendance, grades, and test scores.
     
  7. mysteriew

    mysteriew A diamond in process

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    Holiday homework? What kind of message does holiday homework give the kids? Oh, we want a few days off school, so we want you to do this on your own, at home. Some families take vacations over the Christmas holiday, some probably traveled out of town to visit with family.
    Now if they suspended for kids not doing homework in the regular school year, I might agree with that, somewhat. But how about in school suspension, after school suspension (where they were in suspension until the assignment was completed) meeting with parents, meeting with the kids? If they shortened the holiday, I could agree with that. But holiday homework? Is it a holiday or is it homework time?
    Or is it a holiday for the teachers, and individual school for the kids?
     
  8. CyberLaw

    CyberLaw Former Member

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    So the district is under achieving, the test scores or whatever must be low, to improve the district standing they 'assign" homework or assignments for the students to do on their vacations.

    Then the students come back after two weeks, the assignment is not done and then they will miss more school and not learn or do assignments because now there is a suspension en masse.

    Just an extension of the vacation.....that is so nice of them to give the kids extra time off from school and not learn. I am sure that will improve the under achieving test scores.

    Heck, what if the kids don't want to come back to school, they don't want to do this assignment, they can watch TV all day, hang out at the mall, surf the computer, sleep in, this behaviour will certainly get them in the "mood" to return to school and improve the test score of the under achieving district. Some of them may even "find trouble" or break the law or whatever.

    How about offering "positive" incentives.....to complete the assignment, not punitive. Kids do get punitive(especially if it gets them what they want most, not to go to school and a longer vacation.)

    If the kids did not finish this assignment on vacation, what leads one to believe that they will finish it at all to return to school.

    Please.......and if they allow these kids back in school even if they don't finish the assignment, the kids will see it as a joke.

    It is not like the kids get suspended from work and they need a paycheque.

    Especially if any of these kids are vulnerable and thought about quitting school. Well now this decision may have just cemented that thought.

    Some one needs to "guide" this school and replace whomever is in charge.

    I hope the kids did not know that they would be suspended from school before the assignment was handed out. That very well may be the reason why the assignment was not done.

    But then again, if the assignment was required to be finished after school, do you really think that all of these teachers will stay after school to help the students get the assignments done. That will take, time, effort and extra hours without extra pay. That would be the teachers making an effort to improve the "under achieving scores" of this district.

    Don't lay it on the backs of the students. The teachers need to pitch in also, not fully expect the students to do so and the teachers get to spend their vacation without doing extra work.

    So how long is this suspension going to last. A few weeks, a few months, a few years. Maybe the 5 year old will hand it in when she is ready for high school.

    This district needs extra help so that the students can succeed. Oh I forgot, 250 are at home doing nothing.

    I got a call. My oldest was caught throwing snow balls. A no no and he is aware of this. They told him and me if he is caught throwing snow balls again, he will be suspended for a day.

    He told me: Well that day I can sleep in, play computer, play video games, go to the park, ice skating, rent movies and have a "fun day off".

    I in turn told him he would be spending the day in the office at the school.

    Brought him down to reality a bit about his "fun day off". Actually he saw a suspension as a reward for breaking the rules.

    The suspension is the reward to these kids for not doing their work, and it actually benefits them..........that is the way kids will see it.

    Or maybe you will have one kid finish the assignment and then be the only kid in that class that the teacher is teaching. I am sure that will improve the test scores.

    Kids don't care about test scores or the "under achieving district" they(especially teenagers) care about having a work free vacation and enjoying their "break from school".
     
  9. cappuccina

    cappuccina Former Member

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    ...no wonder this district is in trouble...
     
  10. CyberLaw

    CyberLaw Former Member

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    Yeah, no kidding, and they are going to be in even more trouble with this stupid decision, going from bad to worse.
     
  11. Mr. E

    Mr. E New Member

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    Suspensions are annoying on so many levels. CyberLaw, you are right in that the student sees it as a vacation rather than a punishment. In high school, the child is often left home alone as the parents are both at work.

    For the teacher, it means getting a week's worth of assignments in advance to the student (if the family requests work for the student to be done while out, the teacher must supply it). It means having to make time for the student to make up any missed tests or quizzes. It means having to come into school early or stay late to tutor a child who missed a week's worth of class (or a day's worth or 3 days' worth). It means having to hear this: "I don't have to take that test; I wasn't here when you went over the material."

    Later, it means having to call the parents and inform them of the child's failing grade because you remember all those assignments so painfully prepared at the beginning of the suspension? Well, Jr. didn't do any of them, and now he's failing. Remember that test Jr. was supposed to make up? He didn't show up after school to do it.

    From there on, it's a big hole that the kid and his parent's can't crawl out of.
     
  12. cheko1

    cheko1 New Member

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    I agree with the staying after school & or the in school suspension. Its not going to bother the students, they'll enjoy having days off school. The kindergarten class shouldn't have homework.....

    One of our grandkids had so much homework was staying up til midnight trying to get it done. Wasn't just her it was most of the kids in her 4th grade. I even tried to help her & there was no way a child could do it all. Teacher shrugged & said oh well! Blame goes on the kids 99.9% of the time. At times its the teachers.:furious:
     
  13. mysteriew

    mysteriew A diamond in process

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    My kid got suspended once......before his nice day off, I went to the school and picked up his makeup work. The principal said, he won't get credit.....I said that isn't the point. During suspension my son got to get up early. Do the makeup work. No TV. When all homework was done, if he wanted he could read or sleep. If I didn't have anything for him to do. I got a lot of work done during that time.
    He got the point. Suspension time is not an extra vacation.
     
  14. PaperDoll

    PaperDoll When I'm Silent, I make the most sense

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    I agree Mysteriew... a holiday should be just that, a holiday.. no homework.. give the kids a break and let them be with their families..
     
  15. bakerprune64

    bakerprune64 Former Member

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    I see your point. My kids always have homework packets during their vacations. They goe to year round school, so they have 3 weeks off in October, 2 weeks in December, and 3 weeks in February. The get out of school in June and go back at the end of July. That having been said, durint their "mini-breaks" they always have homework, and I'm glad. It keeps their minds stimulated by something other than tv and video games. When we go on vacation, they take their homework with them and do it in the first day of the trip so they can enjoy the rest of their vacation. All three of my girls are on the honor roll and their school's academic success rate is awesome. I do think that an In-school suspension would be more appropriate or even after school detention, but not at home suspension. Yes to the homework no on the suspension.:twocents:
     
  16. KatherineQ

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    I feel both ways about this.

    I don't believe in giving kids homework over the break, that's what a break is for. A break.

    BUT if you've got kids who chronically don't ever do projects and homework, then that feeling sets in and then no one in the school is ever doing any of their stuff. Then suspending is a great idea.

    In Texas when they started giving the PARENTS detention if their kids were truant it worked wonders. One two-hour detention session, and parents who were whining I can't get my kids to go to school, I can't make sure they go to school, bla bla bla suddenly found the power to get their kids to school. Whammo, like magic, parents who weren't motivated by a bleak future for their kids were motivated by one afternoon spent sitting in a chair.

    Suspending the kids sends a signal loud and clear to the parents that your kid isn't doing school work. Bravo.
     
  17. Jules

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    CyberLaw - GREAT post!!! I agree with everything you said.

    We have been going round-and-round here with homework and my son is only in 4th grade. :banghead: His elementary school is a 'school of excellence' in Texas and they have done well on the academic testing. However, I cannot begin to tell you how much homework these kids have. We spend a MINIMUM of 3 hours a night working on homework and it gets frustrating - for all of us - especially when hubby and I both work full-time, at times stressful jobs.

    We asked several of our friends with kids the same age if they were experiencing the same things - they were. So, we made an appointment at the school with his teachers and an assistant pricipal. We asked about the amount of homework being sent home and told them how long it takes to complete. We were told that it is required for the school to maintain their 'excellence' honor and it would be continuing. We asked when the kids were allowed to be kids - to play, etc. That didn't go over well.

    To me, when a kid spends 8 hours a day in school learning, the amount of work sent home should be limited somewhat. They asked for suggestions. We told them that instead of having homework every night for each subject - they could alternate nights for different subjects. Some seemed to like this idea; however, todate, nothing has changed.

    Not only does that amount of homework put major pressure on the kid, but also the parents. Luckily, he's a pretty decent student and can handle it, but I do feel sorry for those who aren't. He has managed to keep up with playing soccer and football in the fall - in addition to all the homework - but it is tough.

    I think there is so much focus on the 'excellence' ratings here in Texas that school systems go a bit overboard trying to hang on to that. I'm sure they get bonuses, school gets more money, etc., for being a 'school of excellence' but I think it puts an incredible amount of pressure on a kid.

    As for the superintendent and the suspensions - I don't believe that will help at all. However, if parents are having to miss work to be home with the kids, maybe it will force them to be a bit more active in the kids' school lives.

    I will say - our school did not give any homework over the holidays - thankfully. ;)
     
  18. mysteriew

    mysteriew A diamond in process

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    How many kids are in this school. I am wondering if this was a planned thing, like a student rebellion? If so then a certain number would still submit the homework, but a larger percent wouldn't.
     
  19. lostfaith

    lostfaith Lost my mind too!

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    I have real issues with homework in the first place. I realize it is necessary sometimes, but our families life is so consumed with it sometimes, alot of times. My middle child has Learning disabilities, but still does all the regular in class work, with lots of help. His homework requieres us to be right at the table with him, guiding him step by step. Our youngest hates school and gives us the hardest time with homework, so it is a battle every night. My oldest has a job after school, he gets out early for school to work program, and works until 6 p.m. Then he comes home and puts in 1-3 hours per night of homework! He has no life other than work and homework during the week, he does have off on weekends, but also still has homework on weekends. My hubby works 1st shift, and I work 2nd, so that someone is always home. But my hubby starts work at 4:30 and gets off at 3:30, puts in 10 hr. days, comes home, has to do all the homework and make dinner, or finish what I started for dinner. Sometimes when I call home, they are just finishing up homework after 9 p.m. It is just overwhelming!

    I know that some adults do have to bring work home to work on. But for most people, our company work is done when we walk out the door for the day. Most adults dont have to do company work during holidays, it is a holiday. Why cant the kids just have the holiday to enjoy. My school is good about that, lots of homework during the week, and some on the weekend, but holidays, they give the kids a break. Sometimes the teacher of my youngest child will give a holiday packet, fun kind of things for the kids, word searches, math problems that make a picture and you color it, things like that, and it is never mandatory. But if you want to keep the kids brains active, you can have them do it, but it is not mandatory, no pressure.
     
  20. Details

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    I think the suspension is there to inconvenience the parents, to make them crack the whip - the schools can't do it all on their own, if the parents aren't involved, the school can't motivate the kids on their own. The kids may see it as a holiday, it's for the parents to correct that assumption - and since the parents are inconvenienced with needing to take time off work or pay babysitters, I think it'll work.

    I'd say go for it! The kids and the parents don't care right now, and that's a bad place for the school to be. They need to know that even if a ton of them don't do the work, they'll still be punished.
     
  21. mysteriew

    mysteriew A diamond in process

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    Lostfaith, I don't know you or your kids, so your situation could be different. But I found with my kids, they tried that. They wanted me sitting with them while they did the homework. Mostly my job was encouragement and keeping them on track. It wasn't that they couldn't do the homework, it was that they wanted someone to sit with them, they wanted attention, and they really just didn't want to do it. Talk to their teachers. See how much one on one help they are requiring in school. Watch them when they try to do it alone (and ignore the I can'ts you hear).
    I found a lot of difference when I changed homework time. I set time limits for each assignment, they had to show me that they actually tried to do it on their own, and then if they needed help- I gave it. I would check their papers after they were done, to see if they needed extra help. Encouragement, and praise as well as attention time came after homework was done.
    It really made a big difference. Homework time got shorter, and I found out that they could do a lot more on their own than I thought.
     

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