4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 76

[Twistinginthewind]

Yes, it would. It had been awhile since he would have done that, but I would think they'd have brought in sink swabs, just in case. My big puzzlement is how he got his bloody gloves off and disposed of them without getting blood on his actual hands (he's not four-handed). And he would certainly have washed his hands many times over days, after getting home. However, the fact that he wore gloves (we think) during the crime would certain play a big role in diminishing sink DNA.
<snipped for focus>

Thanks for the informative post, as always, 10ofRods. Re your query ^^ BBM ^^ "how he got his bloody gloves off and disposed of them without getting blood on his actual hands":

Maybe this is common knowledge, buy anyway, there's a technique used in many industries that have people handling potentially or actually "dangerous" or "toxic" substances who wear gloves to protect their skin from coming into contact with the substance.

It's referred to as "donning" (putting it on) and "doffing" (taking it off) of personal protective equipment (PPE) (e.g., gloves, mask, goggles, overbooties, Tyvek suit).

In the case of gloves, often 2 pair and sometimes 3 are worn, an inner liner pair that is tight over the hands that is membrane-like and is the 'final line of defense' (like Latex or nitrile), a second pair that is looser that goes over it (like dishwashing gloves), and an outside pair of work gloves (like leather 'grip' gloves).

In the case of "doffing" 1 or 2 or 3 pair of gloves, you pinch the edge of the glove at the wrist with thumb and roll it off inside out, and then repeat the process for the other glove and/or other pairs of gloves. The purpose is to have the clean insides of the glove be on the outside when you actually finish pulling it off.

So if BK used this type of technique, IMO, he could have rolled the gloves off and dropped them in a bag without getting any (or much) of the substance (in this case presumably blood) on his hands. There's also "glove in glove" and "bird-beak" techniques for removal without getting stuff on gloves on your hands at the 2nd link.

Correct donning and doffing of disposable gloves - Sante Group

https://www.aaha.org/publications/n...ng-ppe-the-right-way-do-you-know-how-to-doff/

 

[10ofRods]

Thanks for the informative post, as always, 10ofRods. Re your query ^^ BBM ^^ "how he got his bloody gloves off and disposed of them without getting blood on his actual hands":

Maybe this is common knowledge, buy anyway, there's a technique used in many industries that have people handling potentially or actually "dangerous" or "toxic" substances who wear gloves to protect their skin from coming into contact with the substance.

It's referred to as "donning" (putting it on) and "doffing" (taking it off) of personal protective equipment (PPE) (e.g., gloves, mask, goggles, overbooties, Tyvek suit).

In the case of gloves, often 2 pair and sometimes 3 are worn, an inner liner pair that is tight over the hands that is membrane-like and is the 'final line of defense' (like Latex or nitrile), a second pair that is looser that goes over it (like dishwashing gloves), and an outside pair of work gloves (like leather 'grip' gloves).

In the case of "doffing" 1 or 2 or 3 pair of gloves, you pinch the edge of the glove at the wrist with thumb and roll it off inside out, and then repeat the process for the other glove and/or other pairs of gloves. The purpose is to have the clean insides of the glove be on the outside when you actually finish pulling it off.

So if BK used this type of technique, IMO, he could have rolled the gloves off and dropped them in a bag without getting any (or much) of the substance (in this case presumably blood) on his hands. There's also "glove in glove" and "bird-beak" techniques for removal without getting stuff on gloves on your hands at the 2nd link.

Correct donning and doffing of disposable gloves - Sante Group

https://www.aaha.org/publications/n...ng-ppe-the-right-way-do-you-know-how-to-doff/

Ah, thank you so much! I've never had to wear gloves where I worried about getting what was on the exterior onto myself (rather because I didn't want my cells getting on the materials I was inspecting). I don't remember the prof even once mentioning this in my (human cadaver) anatomy classes, either.

So if BK practiced and had a trash bag or two (or various larger ziplock bags), it would have taken him only an additional 30-45 seconds to doff his whole costume (I predict he also doffed those slip-off Vans he was wearing).

And in that way, avoided (unless he screwed up) getting blood inside the car. I think he would have needed to doff the gloves first (to pick up his trash bag - otherwise it would have transferred blood into the car). He then puts new gloves on (perhaps after quick use of hand wipes or even an alcohol based cleaner) and proceeds with the rest.

Okay - it must have taken at least 45 seconds. If he did this properly, he would have left that trash bag tucked into some part of his car and left his car keys in his pants (not coverall) pocket. He would have touched the car keys after once again doffing and donning another pair of gloves.

Unless he did all of this, he would have gotten blood on the garbage bag edges, which would have/could have transferred to the trunk or back seat or whatever (which was likely also covered in plastic, just in case). If he was smart, he had a separate bag to put the gloves in, meantime (but needed to handle that bag carefully when putting it into the main disposal bag).

I think he enjoyed practicing and planning all of this, as it suited both his perverse worldview and obsessive nature. It was a lot to remember, though. Esp. in the heat of the moment. I figure he drilled himself, military style (or the way some medical and nursing students do).

I think he likely weighted and tossed that bag into the (Snake) River, but probably worried that the bag would shred apart and become visible (one reason for going by again the next day). Maybe he used a big duffle (much smarter to do than my trash bag idea).


=========
Everything above is speculation

 

[Cool Cats]

MSN

Detention

Latah County is located in the northern Idaho panhandle; to the immediate west lies Whitman County, Washington. These counties are referred to as The Palouse, which produces a large share of the wheat, lentils, peas, oats and barley in the United States. The Palouse is home to two major...

latahcountyid.gov

Details of Bryan Kohberger's jail life emerge

The man accused of murdering four University of Idaho students has been attending Mass on Sundays and has the option of attending Bible study on Wednesdays.

www.newsweek.com

As previously reported, Kohberger is permitted to attend church services in a multipurpose room at the tiny jail. He is allowed to be in the room along with other inmates, but is not allowed to interact with them. Kohberger has been attending Mass on Sundays. He also has the option of attending Bible study on Wednesday evenings.

Kohberger is kept isolated from other inmates in his own cell, where he has access to his own television with basic cable. That television is positioned just outside the bars of his cell where a guard controls the channels. The other inmates watch TV in a common room together where a guard controls the channels.

Kohberger also has access to a tablet that has older movies that he can watch if he pays five cents per minute and Inmates can also pay to use the tablets to make video calls or access email. There is a phone with a headset for privacy on the wall down from his cell by a metal table.

Kohberger is housed in one of 4 isolation cells. The cells can be used to isolate inmates or for temporary placement for travel or court hearings - the jail is in the lowest level of the courthouse.

Kohberger has his choice of library or outside time.

The jail's library consists of reading books, a Pull up Bar and Dip Bar. There is an outside recreation yard walled off from onlookers. Inmates are allowed one hour per day in either location or a combination of both. The library contains a complete set of Idaho Code books and Federal Code books for legal research.

Sources say Kohberger has been taking off significant amounts of weight and walks around smiling and is getting alot of sleep.

Kohberger also reportedly has access to mental health services, but has yet to make any requests to meet with a professional.

Medical Staff come into the jail twice a week for inmate sick call and they handle the majority of the cases. Those cases that require a specialists such as Dental, Eye Exams, Lab Work, X-ray’s or any other procedure that cannot be done in the facility are brought to a local Provider in the area.

 

[10ofRods]

BK sounds like he's okay with being contained, from that article. He didn't need to lose weight - I wonder what is meant by "significant amounts."

IMO.

 

[Nila Aella]

Article about Letter to parents regarding demolition of the house.

Word for word: University’s letter to parents of Idaho victims

“I am writing to communicate to each of you regarding the University’s plans for the house at 1122 King Road.”

www.newsnationnow.com

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

According to the jail website and Project Hope, this is what the religious "services" consist of. I don't know why News Nation is using the term "attends mass". Maybe the addiction recovery aspect appeals to BK.​

​

Latah County Jail | Project Hope Ministry

projecthopeidaho.org

Project Hope was founded in 2008 by Darrell and Sheri Anglen. It’s purpose was to oversee the local Celebrate Recovery ministry in Moscow. After not finding local help for one of their sons who was struggling with drug addiction, they answered God’s leading at a Creation Fest concert to step out in faith.​

"God is moving mightily in the lives of inmates at our local jail in Moscow, Idaho. He is using volunteers to reach and engage men who are interested in knowing God and entering His kingdom. On Sunday and Wednesday evenings, a few men take turns going into the jail, to teach the Word and encourage inmates to walk with God. Learning to walk with God prepares them to deal with the rest of their lives. Praying together, they also experience God’s hand at work on their behalf. Our desire is to see them set free from a lifestyle of bondage and live in liberty."

​

 

[Cool Cats]

BK sounds like he's okay with being contained, from that article. He didn't need to lose weight - I wonder what is meant by "significant amounts."

IMO.

Probably means his weight loss is real noticeable. We will see in June unless there is a hearing before then. He could come out looking significantly thinner, some inmates gain weight. I imagine a vegan diet in jail is pretty low calorie. Be hard to stay on that in jail. Commissary food is mostly junk food and Raman noodles and tuna and canned meat he can't eat.

 

[U.N. Known]

Thanks for the informative post, as always, 10ofRods. Re your query ^^ BBM ^^ "how he got his bloody gloves off and disposed of them without getting blood on his actual hands":

Maybe this is common knowledge, buy anyway, there's a technique used in many industries that have people handling potentially or actually "dangerous" or "toxic" substances who wear gloves to protect their skin from coming into contact with the substance.

It's referred to as "donning" (putting it on) and "doffing" (taking it off) of personal protective equipment (PPE) (e.g., gloves, mask, goggles, overbooties, Tyvek suit).

In the case of gloves, often 2 pair and sometimes 3 are worn, an inner liner pair that is tight over the hands that is membrane-like and is the 'final line of defense' (like Latex or nitrile), a second pair that is looser that goes over it (like dishwashing gloves), and an outside pair of work gloves (like leather 'grip' gloves).

In the case of "doffing" 1 or 2 or 3 pair of gloves, you pinch the edge of the glove at the wrist with thumb and roll it off inside out, and then repeat the process for the other glove and/or other pairs of gloves. The purpose is to have the clean insides of the glove be on the outside when you actually finish pulling it off.

So if BK used this type of technique, IMO, he could have rolled the gloves off and dropped them in a bag without getting any (or much) of the substance (in this case presumably blood) on his hands. There's also "glove in glove" and "bird-beak" techniques for removal without getting stuff on gloves on your hands at the 2nd link.

Correct donning and doffing of disposable gloves - Sante Group

https://www.aaha.org/publications/n...ng-ppe-the-right-way-do-you-know-how-to-doff/

Thank you for sharing this. It's interesting the things we (or maybe just I) assume "eveyone" knows. I've assumed from day one that the killer used doffing to dispose of any gloves. As a teacher, I'm required to attend the same, mind-numbingly dull training on bloodborne pathogens every year. Doffing is part of the training. I now do that any time I remove disposable gloves.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

MSN

Detention

Latah County is located in the northern Idaho panhandle; to the immediate west lies Whitman County, Washington. These counties are referred to as The Palouse, which produces a large share of the wheat, lentils, peas, oats and barley in the United States. The Palouse is home to two major...

latahcountyid.gov

Details of Bryan Kohberger's jail life emerge

The man accused of murdering four University of Idaho students has been attending Mass on Sundays and has the option of attending Bible study on Wednesdays.

www.newsweek.com

As previously reported, Kohberger is permitted to attend church services in a multipurpose room at the tiny jail. He is allowed to be in the room along with other inmates, but is not allowed to interact with them. Kohberger has been attending Mass on Sundays. He also has the option of attending Bible study on Wednesday evenings.

Kohberger is kept isolated from other inmates in his own cell, where he has access to his own television with basic cable. That television is positioned just outside the bars of his cell where a guard controls the channels. The other inmates watch TV in a common room together where a guard controls the channels.

Kohberger also has access to a tablet that has older movies that he can watch if he pays five cents per minute and Inmates can also pay to use the tablets to make video calls or access email. There is a phone with a headset for privacy on the wall down from his cell by a metal table.

Kohberger is housed in one of 4 isolation cells. The cells can be used to isolate inmates or for temporary placement for travel or court hearings - the jail is in the lowest level of the courthouse.

Kohberger has his choice of library or outside time.

The jail's library consists of reading books, a Pull up Bar and Dip Bar. There is an outside recreation yard walled off from onlookers. Inmates are allowed one hour per day in either location or a combination of both. The library contains a complete set of Idaho Code books and Federal Code books for legal research.

Sources say Kohberger has been taking off significant amounts of weight and walks around smiling and is getting alot of sleep.

Kohberger also reportedly has access to mental health services, but has yet to make any requests to meet with a professional.

Medical Staff come into the jail twice a week for inmate sick call and they handle the majority of the cases. Those cases that require a specialists such as Dental, Eye Exams, Lab Work, X-ray’s or any other procedure that cannot be done in the facility are brought to a local Provider in the area.

Thanks for this summary of BK's current status, Cool Cats.

This may be a mind blowing concept to some, but I have often wondered if BK set himself up to fail (got caught for the quadruple murders of Kaylee, Maddie, Xana, and Ethan), i.e., so he could spend the rest of his life in jail, because he couldn't hack it on the outside. So he left the "bare minimum" of clues/evidence for LE, so they would eventually pick up on him and pick him up.

Some posts on previous threads discussed this, if he may have decided to do a version of "suicide by cop" and instead went for "suicide by state", but not really, more like "babysitting by state", IMO, because things could drag on and on and on with him never actually being executed for his alleged crimes, with years and years of court and filings and delays.

IMO, it could be why he is seen smiling of late, because he has his "3 squares and a bed" (and cable TV and vegan cuisine and other amenities) and knows he is not on a quick road to Death Row/execution and no longer has to continue to try to function in society, which was a "huge fail", IMO, and he can just play dumb and the endless "wrongly accused (I mean "hoping to be exonerated") shtick.

All JMO

 

[Ksfarmer8]

Thanks for this summary of BK's current status, Cool Cats.

This may be a mind blowing concept to some, but I have often wondered if BK set himself up to fail (got caught for the quadruple murders of Kaylee, Maddie, Xana, and Ethan), i.e., so he could spend the rest of his life in jail, because he couldn't hack it on the outside. So he left the "bare minimum" of clues/evidence for LE, so they would eventually pick up on him and pick him up.

Some posts on previous threads discussed this, if he may have decided to do a version of "suicide by cop" and instead went for "suicide by state", but not really, more like "babysitting by state", IMO, because things could drag on and on and on with him never actually being executed for his alleged crimes, with years and years of court and filings and delays.

IMO, it could be why he is seen smiling of late, because he has his "3 squares and a bed" (and cable TV and vegan cuisine and other amenities) and knows he is not on a quick road to Death Row/execution and no longer has to continue to try to function in society, which was a "huge fail", IMO, and he can just play dumb and the endless "wrongly accused (I mean "hoping to be exonerated") shtick.

All JMO

An interesting thought but IMO he did way too much to evade capture for "wanting to be caught".

 

[Helechawagirl]

I’m more interested in “when” the gun was purchased.

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

Nothing needs to be grown from the snap on the sheath, though. DNA is so small that it persists in any nook or crevice (including microscopic nooks and crevices). We find it everywhere and in this case, they found a good sample (enough to match to a human person). Not every single base pair needs to be present, but often, all of them are (I would expect them to be so, in this case). Then yes, PCR amplifies that for study.

Anthropologists have recovered DNA from almost anything you can think of. New methods are emerging to source the last "home" of the DNA (in this case, it would be an epithelial/skin cell) so that we can tell whether the DNA was transported to where we found it by dust or rain or air:

https://journals.asm.org/doi/full/10.1128/AEM.01504-19

The amount of DNA a person breathes out with each breath (epithelial DNA again) is small, but can be documented. I am hopeful that somewhere in the air filter system for the house or in the depths of those forensic vacuums they said they used at 1122 King, there will be more of BK's DNA.

I am also hopeful that at least some victim DNA will be in the car (tiny amounts on the car mat). Washing things doesn't work as well as most criminals think; we use something other than laundry detergent or bleach to destroy DNA on outer surfaces of bones and teeth, when we think there's going to be DNA in the marrow chambers or inside the tooth. I am not going to say what that chemical is, though!

It's not household bleach.

IMO. DNA is either there or it isn't. If the completely (non-junk) DNA sequence of a particular individual is on a use point (the snap) there are likely many epithelial cells there, in various states of degradation. But DNA does not degrade the way the cell membrane does, or the nuclear membrane does. It's quite persistent. The four bases persist on objects that have traveled long distances through space:

Meteorites could have brought DNA precursors to Earth

Analyses of three meteorites suggest that the raw material for the origin of life may have formed in space.

www.nhm.ac.uk

Of course those weren't assembled into strands or chromosomes. Quite a bit of mammoth DNA, but then they found something even older (2 million years of persistence):

The world's oldest DNA represents a two-million-year-old ecosystem

DNA found in Greenland has broken the record for the oldest yet discovered.

www.nhm.ac.uk

A near term event like the murders in Moscow should have plenty of DNA connected to it, and I'm sure LE has samples from all roommates, BK, and many other people with which to compare what they found on the sheath. It matched BK.

(Finding blood in his car, even if it's his own, with DNA) would still be an interesting find. I keep trying to picture him rapidly taking off his second pair of gloves (without touching the other pair) or removing two pair (without touching the new pair with bloody hands). Hard to do. I do think he had bloody hands. He may think his compulsive cleaning did the trick - but I myself doubt it very much.

IMO.

Thank you for your wisdom. I have only grown cultures from swabs, good old-fashioned petri dish style. I did not get the chance to process a DNA sample directly from a swab ( which became 'virtual' due to covid).
How is the sample taken at the scene? Does it need to be stored with some kind of preservative?
I have taken a cheek swab, and grown cultures from it, which I know is not the same. I am genuinely curious about how it is done. How does it get from scene to lab?

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

I think the judge in Idaho contemplated the entire PCA.

Then they wrote a new one for the PA search warrant, and in that one, they made the DNA a kind of footnote (or something - they did not emphasize it).

Someone will remember more than I. But it's definitely in the original Idaho PCA. There's also a WA search warrant, don't know if it mentions DNA or not or even if we've seen it.

IMO.

The probable cause discussion about the DNA in PA took place because they wanted the search warrant to still stand, even if the DNA they were about to acquire was problematic (apparently, it wasn't).

IMO.

I'm sorry I'm still catching up. Was it maybe a condition of the warrant being accepted or filed? As in, placing the PCA in purgatory, until the results came back? I think I remember someone saying that a few months back? AFAIK
JMO

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

It was invented the year I got my doctorate; Kary Mullis was just 41, IIRC, when he and one other person figured it out. He shared the Nobel Prize for it in 1993.

I remember my genetics prof saying that we wouldn't have the addresses of the human genome until around the year 2000, but the companies hired to work on it came in with the data way faster, in part due to Mullis's discovery of PCR in 1985.

The whole landscape of crime was to change - for good, I think.

IMO.

I actually overheard a conversation between some science majors today talking about something the teacher had said about if the human genome project had started now it would have only taken 5 years and not the 10 it did, or something along those lines.

The tech is moving so fast, and with the pretty decent lab facilities where they are working from. I agree with what you said on another post, I'm also looking forward to seeing what they got DNA wise.

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

Thanks for the informative post, as always, 10ofRods. Re your query ^^ BBM ^^ "how he got his bloody gloves off and disposed of them without getting blood on his actual hands":

Maybe this is common knowledge, buy anyway, there's a technique used in many industries that have people handling potentially or actually "dangerous" or "toxic" substances who wear gloves to protect their skin from coming into contact with the substance.

It's referred to as "donning" (putting it on) and "doffing" (taking it off) of personal protective equipment (PPE) (e.g., gloves, mask, goggles, overbooties, Tyvek suit).

In the case of gloves, often 2 pair and sometimes 3 are worn, an inner liner pair that is tight over the hands that is membrane-like and is the 'final line of defense' (like Latex or nitrile), a second pair that is looser that goes over it (like dishwashing gloves), and an outside pair of work gloves (like leather 'grip' gloves).

In the case of "doffing" 1 or 2 or 3 pair of gloves, you pinch the edge of the glove at the wrist with thumb and roll it off inside out, and then repeat the process for the other glove and/or other pairs of gloves. The purpose is to have the clean insides of the glove be on the outside when you actually finish pulling it off.

So if BK used this type of technique, IMO, he could have rolled the gloves off and dropped them in a bag without getting any (or much) of the substance (in this case presumably blood) on his hands. There's also "glove in glove" and "bird-beak" techniques for removal without getting stuff on gloves on your hands at the 2nd link.

Correct donning and doffing of disposable gloves - Sante Group

https://www.aaha.org/publications/n...ng-ppe-the-right-way-do-you-know-how-to-doff/

I have only been in BSL 2, and it was more of a concern that 'we' did not contaminate the lab or what we were growing, plus there were some minor nasties that we didn't want to take OUT of the lab. It was nowhere near the level of safety you have described. It's fascinating.

 

[I'm Nobody]

Thanks for this summary of BK's current status, Cool Cats.

This may be a mind blowing concept to some, but I have often wondered if BK set himself up to fail (got caught for the quadruple murders of Kaylee, Maddie, Xana, and Ethan), i.e., so he could spend the rest of his life in jail, because he couldn't hack it on the outside. So he left the "bare minimum" of clues/evidence for LE, so they would eventually pick up on him and pick him up.

Some posts on previous threads discussed this, if he may have decided to do a version of "suicide by cop" and instead went for "suicide by state", but not really, more like "babysitting by state", IMO, because things could drag on and on and on with him never actually being executed for his alleged crimes, with years and years of court and filings and delays.

IMO, it could be why he is seen smiling of late, because he has his "3 squares and a bed" (and cable TV and vegan cuisine and other amenities) and knows he is not on a quick road to Death Row/execution and no longer has to continue to try to function in society, which was a "huge fail", IMO, and he can just play dumb and the endless "wrongly accused (I mean "hoping to be exonerated") shtick.

All JMO

Yes. Lately I've wondered if this could be BK's solution to life. If caught he could be taken care of for the rest of his life plus show his professors just how good he is plus complete his murder fantasy all rolled into one. A WIN-WIN-WIN in his twisted mind. How was BK planning to live after he lost his TA position and perks? He was a good planner, right? Since high school jobs (fish cutter + pizza shop), wasn't the part-time casual security guard his only job? Unless his parents were helping him financially, student loans may have been his only option after he used up his life-savings.

Today I asked my grand, the research assistant, first-time away from home at college, what he would do if his professor told him he failed to meet expectations. My grand said he'd do whatever it took, stand on his head if necessary for the next 2+ years because he wants his degree. IMO that is the heart of BK not improving/succeeding. That degree wasn't what BK wanted. What did he really want? The homicide experience, the notoriety, to prove he can get away with it?
It has all crossed my mind.

Just my speculation for now.

 

[Megnut]

MSN

Detention

Latah County is located in the northern Idaho panhandle; to the immediate west lies Whitman County, Washington. These counties are referred to as The Palouse, which produces a large share of the wheat, lentils, peas, oats and barley in the United States. The Palouse is home to two major...

latahcountyid.gov

Details of Bryan Kohberger's jail life emerge

The man accused of murdering four University of Idaho students has been attending Mass on Sundays and has the option of attending Bible study on Wednesdays.

www.newsweek.com

As previously reported, Kohberger is permitted to attend church services in a multipurpose room at the tiny jail. He is allowed to be in the room along with other inmates, but is not allowed to interact with them. Kohberger has been attending Mass on Sundays. He also has the option of attending Bible study on Wednesday evenings.

Kohberger is kept isolated from other inmates in his own cell, where he has access to his own television with basic cable. That television is positioned just outside the bars of his cell where a guard controls the channels. The other inmates watch TV in a common room together where a guard controls the channels.

Kohberger also has access to a tablet that has older movies that he can watch if he pays five cents per minute and Inmates can also pay to use the tablets to make video calls or access email. There is a phone with a headset for privacy on the wall down from his cell by a metal table.

Kohberger is housed in one of 4 isolation cells. The cells can be used to isolate inmates or for temporary placement for travel or court hearings - the jail is in the lowest level of the courthouse.

Kohberger has his choice of library or outside time.

The jail's library consists of reading books, a Pull up Bar and Dip Bar. There is an outside recreation yard walled off from onlookers. Inmates are allowed one hour per day in either location or a combination of both. The library contains a complete set of Idaho Code books and Federal Code books for legal research.

Sources say Kohberger has been taking off significant amounts of weight and walks around smiling and is getting alot of sleep.

Kohberger also reportedly has access to mental health services, but has yet to make any requests to meet with a professional.

Medical Staff come into the jail twice a week for inmate sick call and they handle the majority of the cases. Those cases that require a specialists such as Dental, Eye Exams, Lab Work, X-ray’s or any other procedure that cannot be done in the facility are brought to a local Provider in the area.

Thanks for this summary of BK's current status, Cool Cats.

This may be a mind blowing concept to some, but I have often wondered if BK set himself up to fail (got caught for the quadruple murders of Kaylee, Maddie, Xana, and Ethan), i.e., so he could spend the rest of his life in jail, because he couldn't hack it on the outside. So he left the "bare minimum" of clues/evidence for LE, so they would eventually pick up on him and pick him up.

Some posts on previous threads discussed this, if he may have decided to do a version of "suicide by cop" and instead went for "suicide by state", but not really, more like "babysitting by state", IMO, because things could drag on and on and on with him never actually being executed for his alleged crimes, with years and years of court and filings and delays.

IMO, it could be why he is seen smiling of late, because he has his "3 squares and a bed" (and cable TV and vegan cuisine and other amenities) and knows he is not on a quick road to Death Row/execution and no longer has to continue to try to function in society, which was a "huge fail", IMO, and he can just play dumb and the endless "wrongly accused (I mean "hoping to be exonerated") shtick.

All JMO

He has it better than a fair portion of Americans. Room, board, medical care, cheap internet.

Isolation Would probably do most of us in. But given what I read about him, isolation works for him. He prefers it. He needs it. He recreates it.

I'm not sure he planned to get caught but I don't think he cared if he did. He may have expected it. Eventually. And found it a preferred retirement plan than having to live and perform in the real world.

The trial IMO will be cheap entertainment for him. A diversion. A need to interact with people in the real world? He doesn't have it. He has probably envied and disdained people his whole life and is content to be removed from them.

Jail is a safe environment for him. None of the stressors that coworkers and students and superiors and waitstaff and slow drivers and women have been. Perpetual, insulated Groundhog's Day.

He's probably the calmest in his head he's ever been.

And IMO it goes to show that it's never been anything to him but about him. Center of his own universe, star of his own movie.

But he's wrong.

He killed four stars.

JMO

 

[jjleroche]

BK sounds like he's okay with being contained, from that article. He didn't need to lose weight - I wonder what is meant by "significant amounts."

IMO.

Mmmm. A very interesting question. I agree - sounds like he's OK - It certainly doesn't sound like he's fretting. "Significant amounts" of weight lost in a relatively short space of time in lock-up - my guess is that the meals aren't particularly to his liking given his strict requirements pre-arrest - ie refusing to eat anything which was cooked in pots/pans which had previously had non-vegan food cooked in them. I imagine jail management would consider serving him vegan meals, but I think it would be too much of a stretch for them to agree to requests for meals to be cooked in vegan-only cookware. I wonder if he's allowed to purchase pre-packaged snacks. Apart from possible meal issues, everything else sounds pretty darned good!!) JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

Mmmm. A very interesting question. I agree - sounds like he's OK - It certainly doesn't sound like he's fretting. "Significant amounts" of weight lost in a relatively short space of time in lock-up - my guess is that the meals aren't particularly to his liking given his strict requirements pre-arrest - ie refusing to eat anything which was cooked in pots/pans which had previously had non-vegan food cooked in them. I imagine jail management would consider serving him vegan meals, but I think it would be too much of a stretch for them to agree to requests for meals to be cooked in vegan-only cookware. I wonder if he's allowed to purchase pre-packaged snacks. Apart from possible meal issues, everything else sounds pretty darned good!!) JMO

Was it confirmed or just speculated that he had an eating disorder in the past? Because if he did, he could be relapsing to maintain the illusion that he is still in control of his life.

Or, like Bundy, he could be slimming to try and facilitate an escape.

MOO

 

[jjleroche]

Was it confirmed or just speculated that he had an eating disorder in the past? Because if he did, he could be relapsing to maintain the illusion that he is still in control of his life.

Or, like Bundy, he could be slimming to try and facilitate an escape.

MOO

Yes - "The illusion that he is still in control of his life" - jumped out at me. Control of his life (or perceived lack thereof), IMO has been an underlying issue for a large part of his life. And yes again - I don't think your second suggestion is out of the question either with BK. JMO