4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #82

[TL4S]

BK's educational background just cannot be dismissed, IMO. I'm not saying BK was a tech genius, by any means, but unless he was completely absorbed beyond control with stalking or something (which he could have been), I will be surprised if he didn't use his recently acquired knowledge in planning the crime, or at least being careful about the trail he was leaving. I respect arguments against it, but I personally think it's significant. I mean, these are some of the graduate level courses he would have taken within the last few years:

Earn a Graduate Certificate in Digital Forensics | DeSales University

CJ - 538 Network and Cloud Forensics
Credits: 3

This course focuses on the concepts of networking and the Internet, and applying those ideas to investigations of online crimes. The course covers TCP/IP, IP addresses and email tracing, log analysis, DNS and other concepts pertaining to online investigations and securing electronic evidence. Course fee required.

CJ - 537 Forensic Acquisition and Analysis​

Credits: 3

A survey of the imaging and analysis phases of the digital forensic process. Various key data types and locations of potential evidence will be discussed.The purpose of this course is to immerse students in the relevant technical skills of digital forensics, working towards the solution to practical problems encountered during an investigation. Course fee required.

CJ - 536 Digital Investigation and Evidence Collection​

Credits: 3

A review and analysis of the concepts of digital forensics, including the preliminary investigation of incidents, relevant forensic tools, encryption techniques, web-based investigations, and the examination of evidence. In addition, students will learn the methods involved when using computers and electronic devices to facilitate the commission of a crime. Course fee required.

 

[Helechawagirl]

Well, I'm going to disagree there. The judge signed off on this as the reason. And I don't think they lie in court documents. PRRs require that documents be shared unless certain conditions apply; same with judicial rules. the links are all over the place, so I'm going with not a lie, and actual conditions, and they vary from order to order, so IMO the judge is not so careless.

I think you thought I was speaking about something else. I was referencing the supposed statement from defense in PA saying KB expects to be exonerated.

I don’t think BK said that. I think that is a statement that almost all defense lawyers make for their clients.

If I was BK, I would be screaming I didn’t do this or ill innocent. JMO ICBW

 

[Balthazar]

True. I didn't realize newer TV's have cameras - but if they do, would the TV have to be on? It might have given a somewhat skewed view of who was in the house, if it was on the second floor or in the kitchen.

But if he got access to a device or computer, he'd have a LOT of information. I do wonder if this is what LE meant when someone said this case was going to be surprising and very "large" (data-intensive is what that means to me - 50TB that we know of, is a lot).

I also wonder if on other occasions, Kohberger drove to Moscow and parked elsewhere, in order to practice entering the neighborhood on foot. OTOH, one of my theories is that he was casing more than one house, looking for specific weakness/variables/inhabitants known only to himself (but we can speculate).

Good point about the computers. And even some kind of malware in an attachment (I got malware from a student attachment recently, so that's on my mind). It was sending info about me to someplace on the web. Indeed, when I got the right software to remove it/scan for it, two of those turned up on my computer. I don't think it was using my camera - but it was certainly letting someone know that I was on the internet, what I was looking at, etc.

IMO.

If you have a Smart TV it almost certainly has a camera in the bezel and often there is also a microphone.

Watch Out: How to Stop Your Smart TV From Spying on You

Your internet-connected smart TV can invade your privacy. Here’s what the FBI and three security experts recommend you do to protect yourself.

www.pcmag.com

 

[I'm Nobody]

I think you thought I was speaking about something else. I was referencing the supposed statement from defense in PA saying KB expects to be exonerated.

I don’t think BK said that. I think that is a statement that almost all defense lawyers make for their clients.

If I was BK, I would be screaming I didn’t do this or ill innocent. JMO ICBW

Me too. Screaming I'm innocent and calling every innocence project organization on the planet.

BK's PA public defender LaBar said in live-on-camera TODAY interview re: eager to be exonerated, "those were his words" at 1m:30s. I don't think his PD would go on camera saying BK said that if not true.
IMO EXONERATED is part of BK's know-it-all fantasy that he can beat these charges bc he believes he planned it all so well. Maybe played into his standing silent. He won't say "guilty" in any way, shape, or form, even if NOT is before it.

JMO

https://www.today.com/video/bryan-kohberger-believes-he-ll-be-exonerated-public-defender-says-159178821680

 

[Balthazar]

If you have a Smart TV it almost certainly has a camera in the bezel and often there is also a microphone. It does not have to be on, in the conventional sense of when we think of a TV being on or off and these devices can be triggered remotely.

Watch Out: How to Stop Your Smart TV From Spying on You

Your internet-connected smart TV can invade your privacy. Here’s what the FBI and three security experts recommend you do to protect yourself.

www.pcmag.com

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

I think you thought I was speaking about something else. I was referencing the supposed statement from defense in PA saying KB expects to be exonerated.

I don’t think BK said that. I think that is a statement that almost all defense lawyers make for their clients.

If I was BK, I would be screaming I didn’t do this or ill innocent. JMO ICBW

Although I don't agree about his defense attorney speaking for BK - I do think that remark came from BK - I agree to strike my previous post from the court record anyway.

I don't think BK has much chance to speak out on his own or scream about any of this anymore. His attorneys are speaking for him - as it should be. There is nothing he can say that would not be used against him at this point IMO. And look at the people who shout their innocence for the world to hear (hey OJ & Barry Morphew - I'm looking at you) -- it doesn't seem to help (and yes, I believe both of those people are guilty, my point is they've openly spoken about how innocent they are, so would it help BK any more than it did OJ & BM?)

I'm not sure the tack this case will take. I'm really not. It's weird, because when this all started, I thought it was all BK, straight-up incel murder, etc., but there's just so much in there that I can't get around. I'm not saying he didn't do it. I'm also not saying he did. I don't know that he acted alone. I'm not sure it's incel. I'm just not sure because I can't dismiss all the disparate pieces. I really, really will be happy when we have more answers to all these missing pieces.

 

[10ofRods]

BK's educational background just cannot be dismissed, IMO. I'm not saying BK was a tech genius, by any means, but unless he was completely absorbed beyond control with stalking or something (which he could have been), I will be surprised if he didn't use his recently acquired knowledge in planning the crime, or at least being careful about the trail he was leaving. I respect arguments against it, but I personally think it's significant. I mean, these are some of the graduate level courses he would have taken within the last few years:

Earn a Graduate Certificate in Digital Forensics | DeSales University

CJ - 538 Network and Cloud Forensics
Credits: 3

This course focuses on the concepts of networking and the Internet, and applying those ideas to investigations of online crimes. The course covers TCP/IP, IP addresses and email tracing, log analysis, DNS and other concepts pertaining to online investigations and securing electronic evidence. Course fee required.

CJ - 537 Forensic Acquisition and Analysis​

Credits: 3

A survey of the imaging and analysis phases of the digital forensic process. Various key data types and locations of potential evidence will be discussed.The purpose of this course is to immerse students in the relevant technical skills of digital forensics, working towards the solution to practical problems encountered during an investigation. Course fee required.

CJ - 536 Digital Investigation and Evidence Collection​

Credits: 3

A review and analysis of the concepts of digital forensics, including the preliminary investigation of incidents, relevant forensic tools, encryption techniques, web-based investigations, and the examination of evidence. In addition, students will learn the methods involved when using computers and electronic devices to facilitate the commission of a crime. Course fee required.

If he took all three, it would result in a certificate/addendum to his diploma. Some of the graduates had that announced, but I didn't think that he had more than just the regular JC track at DeSales.

If he had that certificate, one would think he would have gotten that job in Pullman. He could have taken one of these as an elective, though (I think they get one elective, can't recall).

IMO. I believe that anyone who contacts the registrar at DeSales can find out if he has a certificate (but of course only degrees and certificates are public; no transcripts).

Back in the days before COVID/mostly online instruction, a grad student was usually welcome to sit in/audit any course. So it's possible he studied it in that way, as well. He certainly would have had classmates who were in those classes (but online students rarely interact with each other, IME).

JMO.

 

[TL4S]

If he took all three, it would result in a certificate/addendum to his diploma. Some of the graduates had that announced, but I didn't think that he had more than just the regular JC track at DeSales.

If he had that certificate, one would think he would have gotten that job in Pullman. He could have taken one of these as an elective, though (I think they get one elective, can't recall).

IMO. I believe that anyone who contacts the registrar at DeSales can find out if he has a certificate (but of course only degrees and certificates are public; no transcripts).

Back in the days before COVID/mostly online instruction, a grad student was usually welcome to sit in/audit any course. So it's possible he studied it in that way, as well. He certainly would have had classmates who were in those classes (but online students rarely interact with each other, IME).

JMO.

The original source I saw said graduate degree, but this source has a quote saying undergraduate, so I'll go with that. I don't know where he got his undergraduate.

"Pursuant to records provided by a member of the interview panel for Pullman Police Department, we learned that Kohberger's past education included undergraduate degrees in psychology and cloud-based forensics," according to an affidavit.

"These records also showed Kohberger wrote an essay when he applied for an internship with the Pullman Police Department in the fall of 2022. Kohberger wrote in his essay he had interest in assisting rural law enforcement agencies with how to better collect and analyze technological data in public safety operations."

Key takeaways from court documents in case against Bryan Kohberger and some questions that remain

 

[10ofRods]

The original source I saw said graduate degree, but this source has a quote saying undergraduate, so I'll go with that. I don't know where he got his undergraduate.

"Pursuant to records provided by a member of the interview panel for Pullman Police Department, we learned that Kohberger's past education included undergraduate degrees in psychology and cloud-based forensics," according to an affidavit.

"These records also showed Kohberger wrote an essay when he applied for an internship with the Pullman Police Department in the fall of 2022. Kohberger wrote in his essay he had interest in assisting rural law enforcement agencies with how to better collect and analyze technological data in public safety operations."

Key takeaways from court documents in case against Bryan Kohberger and some questions that remain

DeSales. He went to a technical college, then got an AA in psych IIRC at a community college, then joined DeSales program wherein one could be admitted to both a BA and MA program (sometimes called a co-terminal program).

At any rate, he had 3 years and did take 3 years to complete both his BA and his MA (so his MA program was basically the core program in Criminal Justice; since he wanted to be a criminologist, he needed more psych units, IMO - so I'd guess that would be how he combined the two). At any rate, the certificate in Cloud Based Forensics would be on top of a Master's. That would mean he managed to do more units than people usually do, per semester.

The below article mentions that he got two degrees at DeSales:

Bryan Kohberger's high school friends say the accused killer was overweight and bullied

Kohberger is charged with the murders of four University of Idaho students. His study of criminology was an attempt "to understand humans and … himself," according to a friend.

www.cbsnews.com

imo

 

[Balthazar]

I'm not sure the tack this case will take. I'm really not. It's weird, because when this all started, I thought it was all BK, straight-up incel murder, etc., but there's just so much in there that I can't get around. I'm not saying he didn't do it. I'm also not saying he did. I don't know that he acted alone. I'm not sure it's incel. I'm just not sure because I can't dismiss all the disparate pieces. I really, really will be happy when we have more answers to all these missing pieces.

My gut is telling me there is more to this. I'm no longer sure it is incel or even wannabe-serial killer, either.

 

[Balthazar]

Oh good point. I'm so tech baffled that things like this are beyond me but yes, nowadays people can hack into devices and remotely activate the audio / visual right?

Of course. And it can be done without the TV or Device appearing to be on.

 

[10ofRods]

Now glad that we don't have a Smart TV. I hope they make non-smart ones!

 

[Idaho transplant]

My gut is telling me there is more to this. I'm no longer sure it is incel or even wannabe-serial killer, either.

With so many social media platforms involved in this case (and in general), is this a new frontier for police departments?

Moscow is a small town, I wouldn't even call it a city, per se. Are police departments relying on outside forces to handle the various social media accounts involved and is it the FBI that has provided that support for Moscow?

Given the voluminous amount of data in this case, is this just the tip of the iceberg in how future trials will deal with timelines?

 

[10ofRods]

In Cold Blood basically set off the craze for true crime stories, by detailing the stranger private home mass murder of four people (the Clutter family of Holcomb, KS). The crime itself got some press, especially in the Midwest and a bit in the East, but the book (published in 1963) made Truman Capote famous and is the second best-selling crime book in the US, according to wikipedia.

It is a riveting read. And boy does it show how unexpected a lot of criminal behavior actual is.

IMO.

 

[al66pine]

My earlier post:
°Snipped for focus @10ofRods . Posting a QR code in apt. for party guests?
IDK if I should come out of my cave more frequently or if I should stay waaay back w my quill pen, ink well, & parchment. "

.... What the QR code does is allows someone with a smart phone to focus their camera on the code and it automatically opens settings, adds the wifi name and the password....

snipped for focus @10ofRods
I was vaguely aware of the tech, I think from a stix & bricks retailer posting QR code just inside entry, adding --- check out our new merch or look at these sales prices.
But somehow I did not make the leap to its social usage, like for party guests.
Usu. doesn't take long for college students to adapt tech. to social use.

Thanks for expanding my horizons.

 

[NCWatcher]

DeSales. He went to a technical college, then got an AA in psych IIRC at a community college, then joined DeSales program wherein one could be admitted to both a BA and MA program (sometimes called a co-terminal program).

At any rate, he had 3 years and did take 3 years to complete both his BA and his MA (so his MA program was basically the core program in Criminal Justice; since he wanted to be a criminologist, he needed more psych units, IMO - so I'd guess that would be how he combined the two). At any rate, the certificate in Cloud Based Forensics would be on top of a Master's. That would mean he managed to do more units than people usually do, per semester.

The below article mentions that he got two degrees at DeSales:

Bryan Kohberger's high school friends say the accused killer was overweight and bullied

Kohberger is charged with the murders of four University of Idaho students. His study of criminology was an attempt "to understand humans and … himself," according to a friend.

www.cbsnews.com

imo

I'm not sure about that timeline. And as you and I discussed before, personally I'm not sure he was jointly admitted to undergrad PSY and grad CJ when he applied at DeSales. He did not receive the degrees jointly at any rate which is usual in a co-terminal program IME. And DeSales does not currently offer a co-terminal program with PSY & CJ.

Anyway, this link shows he earned the CC AA in 2018.

Everything revealed about Bryan Kohberger, suspect in the Idaho college murders, since his arrest

Bryan Kohberger was a “creepy” loner who went from being “perpetually exhausted” to eerily “chattier” after his alleged slaughter of four Idaho college students, chilling new details reveal.…

nypost.com

And per DeSales he did earn the undergrad PSY degree in 2020 and a grad degree in 2022. (Grad degree name not specified in the DeSales statement.)

12/30/22: Statement on Arrest of Bryan Kohberger

www.desales.edu

But do we have any evidence there was a gap between his earning the AA in PSY at Northampton Community College and stating at DeSales? If he finished the 2018 AA in spring OR summer 2018 he could have started at DeSales as early as fall 2018. He wouldn't have finished the 2020 PSY degree especially fast since he was bringing in CC credits.

The master's degree in general CJ is only 30 semester hours, 10 courses. That's as short as a master's can be. There are 6 required core classes and 4 electives.

Earn a Masters in Criminal Justice from DeSales University

Learn cutting-edge criminal justice theory and its application to the field.

www.desales.edu

These are the core courses:

CJ 501 Advanced Criminology
CJ 502 Research Methods
CJ 503 Ethics in Criminal Justice
CJ 507 Master Project Seminar
CJ 511 Criminal Justice Systems and Processes
CJ 518 Applied Statistics and Data Analysis

This is the description of the elective courses from the above link: (bold added by me)

"The 12 credit elective course requirement is directed at a student’s specific interest in the criminal justice system. Students can select any four (4) concentration courses offered in the MCJ degree program. This affords the student the opportunity to study different areas of criminal justice."

The degree at DeSales called "Online Master of Criminal Justice: Digital Forensics" requires the exact same 6 required core classes as the general CJ degree.

Earn a Masters degree in Criminal Justice with a focus on Digital Forensics

Four "concentration" courses are taken. Here's what the catalog says they are.

CJ 536 - Digital Investigation and Evidence Collection
CJ 537 - Forensic Acquisition and Analysis
CJ 538 - Network and Cloud Forensics
CJ 539 - Special Topics in Digital Forensics

DeSales offers an undergrad certificate for Digital Forensics too. Earn a Digital Forensics Certificate at DeSales University

It's offered in Adult Studies. Admission requirements are 1 of these 4:

--have been out of high school for 5+ years;
--are a veteran or active duty service member;
--have a full-time career and/or other significant non-academic responsibilities, such as being self-supporting or having financial dependents;
--already have a bachelor's degree and are now pursuing a certificate, second degree.

He would have met #1.

The courses are the same as the CJ grad degree and certificate program except they are numbered as undergrad.

CJ436 Digital Investigation & Evidence Collection
CJ437 Forensic Acquisition & Analysis
CJ438 Network and Cloud Forensics
CJ439 Special Topics in Digital Forensics

The grad certificate with the same name requires the same 4 courses with grad level numbering. Earn a Graduate Certificate in Digital Forensics | DeSales University

Admission requires a bachelor's not a master's. So it's not a post-masters certificate apparently.

So I think we don't know or at least I don't 1) absolutely which grad CJ degree BK earned. The graduation program lists only master's graduates in "Criminal Justice." The other grad program degree headings on the program in other disciplines seem very general too. https://heavy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/desalescommencementclassof2022.pdf

2) Which electives he took. It seems odd LE would say "cloud-based forensics" as cited here by @TL4S if those words weren't on his records anywhere. At any rate, he could have taken some courses as his CJ electives since he needed 4 electives. But IMO he had time IMO to take an extra elective course or two. Two years to complete a 30-semester grad degree isn't that fast although grad courses can be challenging. And one of the core courses is the "master's project" (not listed as "thesis" though so maybe not a huge project.)

3) It's also possible he earned the undergrad certificate. I doubt it or we'd probably know that but it's possible. That wouldn't show on the graduation program when he earned the master's. No certificates are listed for anyone graduating (grad level or undergrad level) that I can see.
JMO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

With so many social media platforms involved in this case (and in general), is this a new frontier for police departments?

Moscow is a small town, I wouldn't even call it a city, per se. Are police departments relying on outside forces to handle the various social media accounts involved and is it the FBI that has provided that support for Moscow?

Given the voluminous amount of data in this case, is this just the tip of the iceberg in how future trials will deal with timelines?

Maybe, but IMO, there's something specific to this case that requires so many social media inquiries.

 

[10ofRods]

My earlier post:
°Snipped for focus @10ofRods . Posting a QR code in apt. for party guests?
IDK if I should come out of my cave more frequently or if I should stay waaay back w my quill pen, ink well, & parchment. "


snipped for focus @10ofRods
I was vaguely aware of the tech, I think from a stix & bricks retailer posting QR code just inside entry, adding --- check out our new merch or look at these sales prices.
But somehow I did not make the leap to its social usage, like for party guests.
Usu. doesn't take long for college students to adapt tech. to social use.

Thanks for expanding my horizons.

I just learned about, like, two days ago. And actually, I should have known on Mother's Day because the restaurant we went to had the same system. I just thought it was really...new-fangled, ha and my DH had a very hard time getting his menu to pop up even while our 8 year old granddaughter was signed into the wireless even before she sat down at the table (the QR code is at the hostess booth).

I didn't extrapolate to more general situations, at all. Then I saw some how-to's on how to do it for a party (while researching something about sorority parties).

What's interesting, too, is that the host of the event can likely harvest a little bit of data about who was at the party. In the beginning of this investigation, I do wonder just how many leads LE had to follow, to rule out various people. And naturally, I would love to know what wifi pw's Bryan had stored in his phone. I don't even sign on at the grocery store, preferring to use cellular, but I know my students mostly do like that free wifi.

IMO.

 

[10ofRods]

I'm not sure about that timeline. And as you and I discussed before, personally I'm not sure he was jointly admitted to undergrad PSY and grad CJ when he applied at DeSales. He did not receive the degrees jointly at any rate which is usual in a co-terminal program IME. And DeSales does not currently offer a co-terminal program with PSY & CJ.

Anyway, this link shows he earned the CC AA in 2018.

Everything revealed about Bryan Kohberger, suspect in the Idaho college murders, since his arrest

Bryan Kohberger was a “creepy” loner who went from being “perpetually exhausted” to eerily “chattier” after his alleged slaughter of four Idaho college students, chilling new details reveal.…

nypost.com

And per DeSales he did earn the undergrad PSY degree in 2020 and a grad degree in 2022. (Grad degree name not specified in the DeSales statement.)

12/30/22: Statement on Arrest of Bryan Kohberger

www.desales.edu

But do we have any evidence there was a gap between his earning the AA in PSY at Northampton Community College and stating at DeSales? If he finished the 2018 AA in spring OR summer 2018 he could have started at DeSales as early as fall 2018. He wouldn't have finished the 2020 PSY degree especially fast since he was bringing in CC credits.

The master's degree in general CJ is only 30 semester hours, 10 courses. That's as short as a master's can be. There are 6 required core classes and 4 electives.

Earn a Masters in Criminal Justice from DeSales University

Learn cutting-edge criminal justice theory and its application to the field.

www.desales.edu

These are the core courses:

CJ 501 Advanced Criminology
CJ 502 Research Methods
CJ 503 Ethics in Criminal Justice
CJ 507 Master Project Seminar
CJ 511 Criminal Justice Systems and Processes
CJ 518 Applied Statistics and Data Analysis

This is the description of the elective courses from the above link: (bold added by me)

"The 12 credit elective course requirement is directed at a student’s specific interest in the criminal justice system. Students can select any four (4) concentration courses offered in the MCJ degree program. This affords the student the opportunity to study different areas of criminal justice."

The degree at DeSales called "Online Master of Criminal Justice: Digital Forensics" requires the exact same 6 required core classes as the general CJ degree.

Earn a Masters degree in Criminal Justice with a focus on Digital Forensics

Four "concentration" courses are taken. Here's what the catalog says they are.

CJ 536 - Digital Investigation and Evidence Collection
CJ 537 - Forensic Acquisition and Analysis
CJ 538 - Network and Cloud Forensics
CJ 539 - Special Topics in Digital Forensics

DeSales offers an undergrad certificate for Digital Forensics too. Earn a Digital Forensics Certificate at DeSales University

It's offered in Adult Studies. Admission requirements are 1 of these 4:

--have been out of high school for 5+ years;
--are a veteran or active duty service member;
--have a full-time career and/or other significant non-academic responsibilities, such as being self-supporting or having financial dependents;
--already have a bachelor's degree and are now pursuing a certificate, second degree.

He would have met #1.

The courses are the same as the CJ grad degree and certificate program except they are numbered as undergrad.

CJ436 Digital Investigation & Evidence Collection
CJ437 Forensic Acquisition & Analysis
CJ438 Network and Cloud Forensics
CJ439 Special Topics in Digital Forensics

The grad certificate with the same name requires the same 4 courses with grad level numbering. Earn a Graduate Certificate in Digital Forensics | DeSales University

Admission requires a bachelor's not a master's. So it's not a post-masters certificate apparently.

So I think we don't know or at least I don't 1) absolutely which grad CJ degree BK earned. The graduation program lists only master's graduates in "Criminal Justice." The other grad program degree headings on the program in other disciplines seem very general too. https://heavy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/desalescommencementclassof2022.pdf

2) Which electives he took. It seems odd LE would say "cloud-based forensics" as cited here by @TL4S if those words weren't on his records anywhere. At any rate, he could have taken some courses as his CJ electives since he needed 4 electives. But IMO he had time IMO to take an extra elective course or two. Two years to complete a 30-semester grad degree isn't that fast although grad courses can be challenging. And one of the core courses is the "master's project" (not listed as "thesis" though so maybe not a huge project.)

3) It's also possible he earned the undergrad certificate. I doubt it or we'd probably know that but it's possible. That wouldn't show on the graduation program when he earned the master's. No certificates are listed for anyone graduating (grad level or undergrad level) that I can see.
JMO

Why would his CC credits be an issue? If he went to an accredited CC, and got a psych AA, all he needed was the 18-25 upper division units in psych (to get the BA) plus his upper division GE requirements.

What I was trying to reference (but hopefully tried to indicate that it's something LIKE a co-terminal degree) is the accelerated forensic psychology track (which definitely aids in backing up a Master's in CJ):

Accelerated Psychology Degree | DeSales University

Earn your Psychology degree quickly with the Accelerated Adult Studies program at DeSales.

www.desales.edu

It's designed for adult learners and can be completely online.

I have no comment on his possible undergrad digital forensics (but, IME, that is going to be stale by 2022 if he got it before 2020 and it was undergrad level). Then, I can see why Pullman PD didn't look at him as a strong candidate ( he ought not be trying to propose to teach local "rural" police about cloud forensics, when many of them probably qualify to teach such a class at the undergrad level, IMO).

I believe the only evidence LE (which LE btw? Pullman?) have of him having this expertise is his own internship/RA application.

And he had no apparent "acceleration" that should have occurred (usually occurs) with incoming CC students who want their degrees fast (it's probably one-third of the study body where I teach, if not half). They are tired of waiting, they know the financial aid system, they want the units and work hard to get them.

I mistakenly thought he was trying to accelerate. Perhaps he did veer into cloud forensics (undergrad courses). Anyway, I doubt that Pullman PD would have thought an undergrad DeSales certificate from an online school in PA would work for them. The various local telecommunications systems, offering and mapping of GPS/cellular sources is quite different from place to place. It's an actual major many places, not just a certificate (which is similar to units for an AA).

At any rate, I don't think he understood a lot about what he was studying, if he did study it. It's very odd.

IMO.

 

[NCWatcher]

Why would his CC credits be an issue? If he went to an accredited CC, and got a psych AA, all he needed was the 18-25 upper division units in psych (to get the BA) plus his upper division GE requirements.

What I was trying to reference (but hopefully tried to indicate that it's something LIKE a co-terminal degree) is the accelerated forensic psychology track (which definitely aids in backing up a Master's in CJ):

Accelerated Psychology Degree | DeSales University

Earn your Psychology degree quickly with the Accelerated Adult Studies program at DeSales.

www.desales.edu

It's designed for adult learners and can be completely online.

I have no comment on his possible undergrad digital forensics (but, IME, that is going to be stale by 2022 if he got it before 2020 and it was undergrad level). Then, I can see why Pullman PD didn't look at him as a strong candidate ( he ought not be trying to propose to teach local "rural" police about cloud forensics, when many of them probably qualify to teach such a class at the undergrad level, IMO).

I believe the only evidence LE (which LE btw? Pullman?) have of him having this expertise is his own internship/RA application.

And he had no apparent "acceleration" that should have occurred (usually occurs) with incoming CC students who want their degrees fast (it's probably one-third of the study body where I teach, if not half). They are tired of waiting, they know the financial aid system, they want the units and work hard to get them.

I mistakenly thought he was trying to accelerate. Perhaps he did veer into cloud forensics (undergrad courses). Anyway, I doubt that Pullman PD would have thought an undergrad DeSales certificate from an online school in PA would work for them. The various local telecommunications systems, offering and mapping of GPS/cellular sources is quite different from place to place. It's an actual major many places, not just a certificate (which is similar to units for an AA).

At any rate, I don't think he understood a lot about what he was studying, if he did study it. It's very odd.

IMO.

First paragraph above BBM

I don't believe I said the CC credits were an issue. I was just pointing out he finished at the CC in 2018. So if that meant spring or summer of 2018, there's no reason to think that he'd have waited until fall of 2019 to start at DeSales. So IMO chances are he was at DeSales for longer than the 3 years you mentioned. He could have been there for up to four years if he began at DeSales in fall 2018, or at least 3 1/2 years if he began in spring 2019. Being there longer would certainly have allowed him to have taken extra electives at either the undergrad or grad level. As you said, he'd not have had much left to do for the undergrad PSY degree that he earned in 2020. (Finishing up PSY in two years with a CC AA wouldn't have required acceleration IMO.) And as I said in my post, the DeSales CJ grad degree is only 30-semester hours. Earning 30 semester hours in two years after earning the PSY degree in 2020 wouldn't have been so demanding that he couldn't have fit in some cloud/digital electives.

So I don't think we know what courses he took at DeSales. And I don't know if the LE statement about his education credentials from the interview panel was based only on his essay. The essay quote provided doesn't mention any claims about coursework or education background. It only mentions "interests." And the blurb says the education information put in the affidavit came from "records" -- To me that doesn't mean an essay but maybe an essay is an education "record" to others. Regardless, MSM blurbs can also be bad paraphrasing of what was said.

I agree with you BK may not have truly learned what he was studying. Good grades don't always mean good understanding, unfortunately.
JMO