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It's very interesting to me that a national news organization is starting a podcast series on this "mystery."
4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #82
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It's very interesting to me that a national news organization is starting a podcast series on this "mystery."
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It's so lazy on there part. Especially if they have nothing meaningful to contribute. 100% a cash grab. So many other cases out there that could use this kind of attention.
Episode 1 - we meet the roomates 1 by 1, learn about their lives, it ends with the crime
Episode 2 - we meet Bryan, follow him all the way to Pullman, end with being pulled over in Indiana
Episode 3 - internet is in a frenzy trying to solve the crime, local police overwhelmed, hoodie guy, ex boyfriend, yadda yadda, flashback to detectives getting to the crime scene, sheath, video collection, elantra search and the BAM! WE GOT POSSIBLE DNA TEASER!
Episode 4 - in comes in the FBI! DNA! MORE ELANTRA! Now we dig into frat life and campus life for the victims and BK. kaylee's supposed stalker etc etc.
(not the actual episode list if you can't tell already)
Microwaveable, reheat-able content.
Good observation and point about showerthought 1.
Regarding showerthought 2, as far as I know, Ethan's parents have not commented publicly on Xana. I am sure they have their reasons, which I respect, even though I don't know what they are.
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That's exactly it. It's not a mystery at this point in time. And with the gag order, it's unlikely they have behind-the-scenes information they can actually run with. So why do a podcast now rather than at the time of the trial? I really hope they don't take the Dateline approach, but with no new info coming out, I don't have much faith.
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True crime podcasts are incredibly popular. Most are free, gaining only ad dollars. Most concentrate on the victims. I've found interesting cases from podcasts. Some people like them, some don't.
I'm glad ABC is doing this case as a way to keep the victims in the news instead of BK. Undoubtedly I'll learn things I did not know about the Idaho victims, community, and the case. I like the human side of cases, heartwarming and moving parts that won't make it into court papers. Like the bit in this ABC trailer about who wore pink to the arraignment in support of Maddie bc that was her favorite color. Their choice of color was such a small thing but sending a message in case BK glanced across the courtroom. If BK was stalking Maddie or the house he would've seen Maddie's pink boots in her window, known her love of pink from her social media posts. Listening to the Idaho 4 ABC trailer, I was touched by that one small fact I did not know before, some of the families wore pink to court. Silly probably, but that's just me.
I confess I listen to true crime podcasts every night like bedtime stories bc most put me to sleep.
Maybe this one will keep me awake a little while longer.
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I'm glad ABC is doing this case as a way to keep the victims in the news instead of BK. Undoubtedly I'll learn things I did not know about the Idaho victims, community, and the case. I like the human side of cases, heartwarming and moving parts that won't make it into court papers. Like the bit in this ABC trailer about who wore pink to the arraignment in support of Maddie bc that was her favorite color. Their choice of color was such a small thing but sending a message in case BK glanced across the courtroom. If BK was stalking Maddie or the house he would've seen Maddie's pink boots in her window, known her love of pink from her social media posts. Listening to the Idaho 4 ABC trailer, I was touched by that one small fact I did not know before, some of the families wore pink to court. Silly probably, but that's just me.
I confess I listen to true crime podcasts every night like bedtime stories bc most put me to sleep.
Maybe this one will keep me awake a little while longer.
JMO
"...(3) On February 24, 2023, Detective Lawrence Mowery obtained a search warrant for the Google account '
(4) The warrant was served by Detective Mowery on February 25, 2023, via Google Law Enforcement Portal;
(5) On March 09, 2023, Cpl Brett Payne downloaded the data and an inventory was prepared for all the items received;
(6) A copy of the inventory receipt was emailed to ; and..."
Cut and paste from the latest BK Google warrant. Served by Det Mowery Feb 25th, downloaded by Cpl Payne March 9th, Inventory receipt was emailed to two redacted names.
Was surmising these might be specialist data analysts. There are a few other warrants I remember where the inventory is emailed to redacted parties.
I tried a screen shot but still have to figure out settings or something - the shot comes out all wrong!
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So it seems these specific earlier warrant returns were emailed direct to FA M.Douglass as part of the ongoing investigation. This explains the delays in inventorising the returns and placing them in evidence. FBI FA was immediately looking for clues and connections and so forth which involved weeks of work and obviously likely informed the serving of other connected warrants (for e.g the set of late November financial warrants for the victims and redacteds - likely roommates Imo). MOO
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True and also some wrongly convicted people have been given far harsher sentences for refusing to admit their part in a crime. Have ended up serving decades in some cases before having their convictions overturned but always refused to 'be sorry for what they did' which stood against them.
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The first time I read this I thought just the "Inventory receipt" was mailed to someone. Why redact names though? SO maybe the receipt and the inventory was sent somewhere for analysis? Little confusing to me because it doesn't say the "data" was sent. Or the Zip file was sent. While looking at the receipt I noticed something else: Here is the receipt
Looks like TWO google accounts in this return! Top left of receipt and in the description of property:
When the search warrant is for:
FIve identifiers listed and then IMEI.......
SO does that mean BKs google account was linked to two others?
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Everyone else is, it's all about the $$$$. Print media has lost almost half of their revenue and marketshare in the last 10-15 years.
Service Annual Survey Shows Continuing Decline in Print Publishing Revenue
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True, but the OP was speaking of a person (BK) being arrested maintaining their silence, not convicted as was I.
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Apologies, I stated the case the opposite way around.
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TODAYshow
EXCLUSIVE: Stacy, the mom of Idaho murder victim Ethan Chapin, speaks to
@SavannahGuthrie
about what she wants the world to remember from her son and shares her new tattoo of his handwriting.
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That's a really healthy response and reasoning in my opinion.
Good point. Inventory receipt? Sounds specific, may not relate to data. Who would need to be informed that an inventory had been collated? Defense? Or if FAs had done separate, earlier download from another computer? They would want receipt of MPD's (eventual) inventory?
RE google -scope to Jan 2021- I noticed those differences especially the zip file and the reference to gmail accounts linked by recovery email. I had the thought that certain on-line purchases may have been done under a different name and through alternate gmail accounts or even separate google accounts on different devices. Could be that one/some of the prior sealed google warrants ( if for BK) uncovered some indication of another account he had set up under alternative email? Just some thoughts and moo.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------On another note, I attempted to group the latest six warrants in terms of service dates, return dates and download dates. Looking at them chronologically with added musings.
BK Google: Possibly for two accounts- informed by earlier sealed Google warrants?
*Feb 25th: served
*9th March: data downloaded.
* Inventory receipt emailed to redacted x2.
*No specific mention in receipt of when email was received from Google directing to secure download (as is the usual case with other warrant receipts).
*Possible data was available for download prior to 9th March?
*Possibly downloaded by FA agent for perusal prior to 9th March?
*Could that explain inventory receipt emailed. Emailed to FA agents?
Or emailed to Defense?
Strava:
*Feb 26th: served. So unlikely to have been informed by Google warrant above but what of earlier sealed Google warrants?
*March 15th: email received saying data available for download.
*March 21: Data downloaded from strava secure portal.
*Possible FA did separate download and looked at data between March 15th and 21?
BK Reddit: Defendant well known for utilising Reddit.
*Jan 26th: served
*Feb 8th: email received with link to download
*March 22nd: specifically stated that data was downloaded to MPD computers.
*Possible FA looking at data bewteen Feb 8th and March 22nd.
*If so, possible findings may have informed seeking of warrant for Strava above.
BK tik tok:
*Jan 26th: Served
*March 31: Received an email "directing me to download the data". Not specified who sent email.
*April 3: Data downloaded and inventory prepared.
*Copy of inventory receipt emailed to x 2 redacted.
*Possible FA perused data from separate download before March 31 and after Jan 26th?
*If so Tiktok data could have informed Strava warrant.
*Inventory receipt emailed to FAs? Or defense?
AT&T: Two redacted wireless numbers,subscribers unknown. AT&T subscriber/account info sought in relation to these numbers.
*March 30: Warrant obtained
*April 3: Served
*April 12: Email received with requested information
*Inventory prepared.
*Time period is from June 23rd to August 1.
*BK legitimate AT&T account was opend June 23rd as per PCA.
*Possibly informed by data analysis of BK Google and/or Strava and/or BK Reddit/Tiktok warrants?
DM, BF & x4 Victims Snap:
*March 30: Warrant obtained.
*April 3: Served.
*April 12: email stating files available for download.
*April 13: Files downloaded and inventory prepared.
*Seems unlikley was informed by late November x 4 Victim Snap warrants?
*DM and BF are added.
*Time period is from June 23rd to August 1.
*BK legitimate AT&T account was opened June 23rd as per PCA.
*Possibly informed through data analysis of BK Google and/or Strava and/or BK Reddit/Tiktok warrants?
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No worries.
I am not an expert legally nor do I pretend to be. Just some musings on this case...... in my experience I find it odd that the GP took so long to have a proceeding. I am assuming that it is because of all the SM accounts as well as financial and cell records had to be requested as to build a case. <modsnip> I do not have any opinion at this point whether BK committed this crime or not.
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This most likely doesn't mean anything (including not what the warrant means), but goggle accounts and youtube require primary and back up email addresses, and you can't use your gmail account at least for youtube (not sure about google itself). I'm not sure if the same is true for other services they offer /own, and I can't remember if gmail requires the same, but I seem to remember an option of them sending email alerts to one's other email account (and proton mail does the same).
I have several proton mail accounts linked to me so I don't have to give out my primary / personal email account. And I have others using variations of my name or outright fake names. I haven't used those in ages and I doubt they're still active. And my intent wasn't malicious -- more a matter of security where I was concerned about the wrong type of people contacting me directly. I'm sure LE would have a field day figuring out every program, email, etc linked to me -- and the same with assorted websites that require detailed user info. Sometimes it's not smart to put everything out there.
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I find Dateline's coverage of ongoing cases (when they choose to do it) to be really thorough and helpful. There's no way I would have been able to follow/comprehend the Vallow/Daybell or Murdaugh family cases otherwise.
I also appreciated the way they gave Chris Lambert a lot of credit in the Kristen Smart coverage.
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I posted the podcast info because I thought others may be interested. I am interested in it and wanted to share. I like podcast and I am interested in hearing more (even if a refresh) about the Idaho case. Option delete if become uninterested. It appears I may have been wrong about any interest here.
Thank you for your response.Agree that there are many other cases that could use the attention. To add, there are many threads of cases that are cricket and/or hardly getting any traffic and could use sleuths like y’all. Moo.
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