4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #82

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Once accepted into the PhD program, BK, would have been REQUIRED to make graduate student visits to WSU. The school pays for travel, hotel and food for these visits.
Do you have a source you can share for that assertion?

I asked my better half about his experience with grad students visiting after acceptance. Different university (UI vs WSU) & different department (political science vs criminal justice) & his answer was, “Some do, most don’t.” His perception was that it was more common earlier in his 3+ decade career than in more recent years.

JMHO & MOO
 

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Many stalkers follow a predictable pattern of behavior. They will typically begin by messing with the victim's vehicle - just like this suitcase incident, and then escalate to going inside of their home and moving stuff around, taking items, etc. So when I heard about this suitcase incident, I thought to myself, it is not unusual for incoming PhD students to make multiple campus visits prior to starting their PhD program - in fact they are pretty much required to do that and graduate students are reimbursed for travel expenses (flights, hotel, food) and the visit is usually at least 2 days. But, WHEN would BK have time to visit WSU considering he was still a master's student at DeSales? Spring Break came to mind. So I pulled up the DeSales calendar for 2022 and sure enough, the timing of the suitcase incident coincided exactly with DeSales' Spring Break. Coincidence? Somehow, I don't think so.

IMO, Dateline including this incident makes sense from the timing and from the standpoint of it being the kind of behavior a stalker would do. BK is not charged in this suitcase incident, so I believe it is outside the scope of the gag order and therefore something LE sources in Idaho COULD talk to Dateline reporters about.

Speculation post!

Totally agree. To add, generally speaking a killer doesn’t wake up one morning and decide to kill. The killer has already been planning and thinking about it way before actually committing the murder.

I think BK is a manipulative type person and will play into mind games to get what he wants. Playing the “super” guy because that’s the only way he is able to connect with females... tries to exploit them.

In addition, BK was taking online classes so he could have been anywhere in March 2022. Previously, I was ready to disregard the car/underwear incident as a college friend's prank, however, it does align with this case, maybe. Curious if LE swabbed the underwear found in the cup holder for DNA? Doubtful? It would have been interesting to know if it belonged to BK. We most likely will never know.

All in my opinion only!



Former FBI profiler Greg Cooper told Dateline that the incident was a “step in progression” for Mr Kohberger to move from breaking into a home when no one was in to allegedly breaking in when multiple people were home at the King Road address that deadly night in November.

“I would expect that he orchestrated the whole thing, he was not looking at her as a potential victim necessarily,” said Mr Cooper.
 

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Right? I've said to myself more than once recently that if the perps had just read some threads in here first they might not have made it so easy to nail them. Certainly these idiots spring to mind for starters, Brian Walshe, Steve Capaldi, Letecia Stauch to name a few, they certainly didn't come here for tips :p
Agreed, @Rolypolyoly !

In the case of BK and his alleged crimes...

IMOO, every time I read about people responding to this case with something along the lines of [paraphrasing] how could he have made any/so mistakes and/or be so stupid/such an idiot, when he was an accomplished student of psychology/criminology and whatever they surmise about his IQ...

It reminds me of the saying I heard often growing up with learned people around me: "no one is perfect, and you're the perfect example of that".

JMO :D
 

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Do you think MG is the only local restaurant with vegan options suspect BK patronized? I guess I’m not & I remain unsure if he ever was a MG customer — there are several places in Moscow & Pullman my vegan friends patronize. MG had a whole lot of non-local harassment because two of the victims worked there. I hope we learn more as more definitive info about BK’s movements during his time here as it becomes available. MOO

I don’t know if he’d been to MG previously or not, but I’m pretty comfortable that MG actually reviewed their records pretty carefully, as they said they did, before making the statement. MOO. Of course, if he used cash …

FWIW, according to business owners I know in town, cash purchases are uncommon. My better half is the only person I know who regularly carries paper money anymore — LOL.

Just a reminder for all: local businesses really went the extra mile to help LE, MOO, something I think sometimes gets lost in the bigger horrific picture. At least one instance of speculation about KG’s alleged stalker rumor was able to be tracked down, investigated, and ruled out due to efforts of local unnamed businesses & employees:

“Using tips and leads, investigators have identified an incident involving Kaylee at a local business, which may have been the stalker reference she made to friends and family. In mid-October, two males were seen inside a local business; they parted ways, and one male appeared to follow Kaylee inside the business and as she exited to walk toward her car. The male turned away, and it did not appear he made any contact with her. Detectives contacted both males and learned the two were attempting to meet women at the business, this was corroborated through additional investigation. Based on available information, detectives believe this was an isolated incident and not an ongoing pattern of stalking. No evidence suggests the two males were involved in the murders.”

Source: 12/5/2022 MPD Press Release

Also remember it was another local business employee who found surveillance video of a suspicious white vehicle that was collected by MPD on 12/13/22:
Idaho murders: Cops take hours of video from gas station after clerk spots white car on night of stabbings

And, of course, many other local businesses (& residents, property owners, etc) were just as cooperative if more quiet about it; some have also been subjected to seemingly endless online harassment, rumors, & crazy conspiracy theories. I personally know of several businesses that voluntarily reviewed their own surveillance videos & provided them to LE with no warrant necessary even though they spotted nothing suspicious.

All MOO & just filling in some older details for folks’ timelines that may have understandably been forgotten in the past several months that were quite consequential.
Thank you, @North_Idaho_Nony !

Your perspective, being local to the area where the murders were committed, and being willing to backfill in and post on some details here, that may have been forgotten in the last several months, is very valuable, IMO.

Please do keep on posting (and reposting) here whenever you can, to give your unique perspective and help inform the ongoing discussions here.

Justice for Ethan, Maddie, Kaylee and Xana !

Their legacy will be Vandal Strong forever, and they and their loved ones and community will always be held close in our hearts !
 

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There appear to be several options for different kinds of potential student visits to WSU:

Visit & Explore

Visit & Explore


Get a feel for the Coug life with an in-person or virtual tour. We’re excited to show you our scenic campus and give you a taste of the school spirit that makes WSU Pullman so unique. Tour options include in-person tours, virtual tours, preview events, game day tours and group tours.


Here is a link to WSU Pullman Admitted Student Visits (for 2023), which indicates if an accepted student applies soon enough (before it is full, on a first-come first-served basis) and attends one 5 of the "Experience WSU" events, they will be reimbursed up to $1,000 for visiting.

Admitted Student Events

Unknown if BK signed up far ahead enough for this or if he attended and was reimbursed for up to $1,000 through their "Visitation Award", but if so, he could have been on campus between February and April of 2022, and been remibursed in this way, JMO.

Admitted Students

Experience WSU Events are exclusively for our admitted students and take place February through April each year. Your next steps to become a part of WSU Pullman start here.

Admitted Student Visits

Experience WSU is an in-depth event that welcomes you to the Cougar family. Exclusively for admitted students, this event provides a closer look at our academic programs and on-campus resources, our unique community, and opportunities that await you.

Experience WSU Event Agenda


TimeActivityDetails
8:00 am - 9:00 amCheck in & Academic Services and Resource FairLearn about the resources available to you at WSU academically, socially, and more in an open-house setting!
9:00 am - 9:45 amWelcome AddressJoin us for an overview of the program and a next-steps presentation for admitted students.
10:00 am - 11:00 pmAcademic ShowcasesExplore your area of interest in a personalized workshop led by WSU faculty and staff.
11:15 am - 12:15 pmStudent & Parent PanelsStudents will get to ask current WSU students all of their questions about life as a Coug! Parents will hear from professional staff in housing, campus safety, academic success, and more.
12:30 pm - 1:30 pmLunchEat lunch in one of our three campus dining facilities.
1:45 pm - 3:45 pmResource PresentationsGet familiar with on-campus resources to help you through your WSU journey.
3:45 pm - EndTours & Open HouseMeet current students like you and hear firsthand what life is like at WSU while enjoying a tour of campus.

Visitation Award

Receive a one-time visitation award of $1,000 upon your enrollment at WSU Pullman.

To qualify for the visit award students must be registered, attend, and participate in all components of one of the five Experience WSU events. Space is limited at the Experience WSU programs and registration is on a first-come basis.

Student Financial Services will post the visit award to the student’s account within a month after the event and will send an email communication confirming the award has been posted. The award will be a credit applied toward tuition for enrollment at WSU Pullman.


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Speculation post!

Totally agree. To add, generally speaking a killer doesn’t wake up one morning and decide to kill. The killer has already been planning and thinking about it way before actually committing the murder.

I think BK is a manipulative type person and will play into mind games to get what he wants. Playing the “super” guy because that’s the only way he is able to connect with females... tries to exploit them.

In addition, BK was taking online classes so he could have been anywhere in March 2022. Previously, I was ready to disregard the car/underwear incident as a college friend's prank, however, it does align with this case, maybe. Curious if LE swabbed the underwear found in the cup holder for DNA? Doubtful? It would have been interesting to know if it belonged to BK. We most likely will never know.

All in my opinion only!



Former FBI profiler Greg Cooper told Dateline that the incident was a “step in progression” for Mr Kohberger to move from breaking into a home when no one was in to allegedly breaking in when multiple people were home at the King Road address that deadly night in November.

“I would expect that he orchestrated the whole thing, he was not looking at her as a potential victim necessarily,” said Mr Cooper.

IMO, MSM delves into dangerous tabloid territory when they connect people to crimes based on the fact that they could have been "anywhere" which is what Dateline did. He could have been anywhere in 2021 too. So we could find a random crime in PA or ID or WA and link him to it because technically, he could have been there. That's not journalism, IMO. That's trying a little too hard to be The Enquirer.

JMO.
 

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There appear to be several options for different kinds of potential student visits to WSU:

Visit & Explore

Visit & Explore


Get a feel for the Coug life with an in-person or virtual tour. We’re excited to show you our scenic campus and give you a taste of the school spirit that makes WSU Pullman so unique. Tour options include in-person tours, virtual tours, preview events, game day tours and group tours.


Here is a link to WSU Pullman Admitted Student Visits (for 2023), which indicates if an accepted student applies soon enough (before it is full, on a first-come first-served basis) and attends one 5 of the "Experience WSU" events, they will be reimbursed up to $1,000 for visiting.

Admitted Student Events

Unknown if BK signed up far ahead enough for this or if he attended and was reimbursed for up to $1,000 through their "Visitation Award", but if so, he could have been on campus between February and April of 2022, and been remibursed in this way, JMO.

Admitted Students

Experience WSU Events are exclusively for our admitted students and take place February through April each year. Your next steps to become a part of WSU Pullman start here.

Admitted Student Visits

Experience WSU is an in-depth event that welcomes you to the Cougar family. Exclusively for admitted students, this event provides a closer look at our academic programs and on-campus resources, our unique community, and opportunities that await you.

Experience WSU Event Agenda


TimeActivityDetails
8:00 am - 9:00 amCheck in & Academic Services and Resource FairLearn about the resources available to you at WSU academically, socially, and more in an open-house setting!
9:00 am - 9:45 amWelcome AddressJoin us for an overview of the program and a next-steps presentation for admitted students.
10:00 am - 11:00 pmAcademic ShowcasesExplore your area of interest in a personalized workshop led by WSU faculty and staff.
11:15 am - 12:15 pmStudent & Parent PanelsStudents will get to ask current WSU students all of their questions about life as a Coug! Parents will hear from professional staff in housing, campus safety, academic success, and more.
12:30 pm - 1:30 pmLunchEat lunch in one of our three campus dining facilities.
1:45 pm - 3:45 pmResource PresentationsGet familiar with on-campus resources to help you through your WSU journey.
3:45 pm - EndTours & Open HouseMeet current students like you and hear firsthand what life is like at WSU while enjoying a tour of campus.

Visitation Award

Receive a one-time visitation award of $1,000 upon your enrollment at WSU Pullman.

To qualify for the visit award students must be registered, attend, and participate in all components of one of the five Experience WSU events. Space is limited at the Experience WSU programs and registration is on a first-come basis.

Student Financial Services will post the visit award to the student’s account within a month after the event and will send an email communication confirming the award has been posted. The award will be a credit applied toward tuition for enrollment at WSU Pullman.


Admitted Student Events
Interesting. It's not clear to me though if
1. The Admitted Student Visits from Feb-April are aimed at grad students. The info seems aimed at undergrads-- mention of parents accompanying students, the workshops to explore academic interests led by faculty & staff (interests better be known by grad students!)..
2. Even if the events might be aimed at grad students, I'm not sure how many doctoral students would be admitted before Feb or even early March. I guess it depends on dept, discipline and whether lots of applications are received.
JMO
 

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Interesting. It's not clear to me though if
1. The Admitted Student Visits from Feb-April are aimed at grad students. The info seems aimed at undergrads-- mention of parents accompanying students, the workshops to explore academic interests led by faculty & staff (interests better be known by grad students!)..
2. Even if the events might be aimed at grad students, I'm not sure how many doctoral students would be admitted before Feb or even early March. I guess it depends on dept, discipline and whether lots of applications are received.
JMO
Back in the day (what seems like forever now) when I was compiling a timeline I combed through the WSU and Pullman (looking for students preparing to move) SubReddits and a few other WSU forums to see if there was any consensus or cluster of time when doctoral students were accepted...

Dates were all over the place.
 

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Back in the day (what seems like forever now) when I was compiling a timeline I combed through the WSU and Pullman (looking for students preparing to move) SubReddits and a few other WSU forums to see if there was any consensus or cluster of time when doctoral students were accepted...

It was all over the place.
Good to know. Maybe students for the doctoral CJ program apply and are accepted early. I see the general grad school priority deadline for fall is January 10. And I don't see the CJ Dept has an earlier deadline than the general one (although they could per the grad school.) Numbers applying in various disciplines vary widely but I didn't think many doctoral programs did "rolling" admissions. But if not many apply, and in-person interviews aren't required prior to admission, then I guess a new "class" of CJ doctoral students could be admitted by early Feb. (I'm more used to PSY and so far as I know, super-early admissions don't happen there although deadlines tend to be in Dec.)

Still, the descriptions of the Student Visit days just make them sound like undergrad days to me. Maybe I'm wrong.
JMO
 

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Once accepted into the PhD program, BK, would have been REQUIRED to make graduate student visits to WSU. The school pays for travel, hotel and food for these visits.
No such requirement at the four universities where I've worked. And paying an applicant's fare and hotel would be rare indeed in any CJ program. It's rare for most programs, especially at a state school, for a non-stellar admitted applicant in a program without large grants.
 

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Respectfully,

BK was 29, and, if proven guilty, will be a mass murderer. Few start with it. It would be logical to ask, were UI students his first victims?

I have asked it myself, only to notice that his MO was to cross the WA/Idaho state line. I would not assume that murders were totally unplanned; nor would I imagine he'd previously attack someone even marginally close to him. So I would think, upstate NY, Connecticut, even NJ.

But I understand why PA authorities are asking this question. Assuming Idaho police has more than they put into PCA, something really tying BK up to the murders, it makes sense to look where he previously lived. Maybe they are looking for his "lair" in PA.
BK was so bad at committing a stranger home invasion murder that he left a lot of evidence allowing him to be arrested and charged. So I'm of the opinion that he wasn't a practiced criminal, although I'd bet he was a 21st century peeping tom type or a stalker of women in whom he was interested.
 

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Once accepted into the PhD program, BK, would have been REQUIRED to make graduate student visits to WSU. The school pays for travel, hotel and food for these visits.
This was not my experience in a Research 1 university department that took maybe 20-25 grad students per year. Most departments do not have the budget to fly potential grad students across the country--some of which are 22-25 year olds who won't make it to the end of the school year. This sort of visit is reserved for job searches for faculty. If this is different at WSU, can you provide verification?

Edited to add--I see that you base your point on personal experience (as of course most of us would do.) However, this may be more likely in the hard sciences or other programs where the funding for grad school comes from grants rather than the department budget (thus providing more money for screening applicants and also a need for screening.) I was in "arts and sciences" and had a Teaching Assistant position and later a Teaching Fellowship. Later, I had a Research Fellowship but that came from having established my abilities with teaching and research. I wonder also if elite universities (e.g., Ivy, Stanford, etc.) have the kind of money for this stuff?

Anyway, for our purposes, what we need to know is whether WSU requires or encourages an interview? We are almost certain to find out if BK went to WSU prior to the start of school, perhaps to apartment-search.
 
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BK being such a staunch, dedicated vegan, I'd wager he had been to MG on more than one occasion. There is no way an owner, manger or whatever can remember every single customer in and out of their restaurant.

I feel bad if this has hurt their business, they have no culpability regardless.

All MOO
Just to be clear the Mad Greek is not a vegan restaurant. Like most restaurants of any size, it offers a couple of vegan options in addition to its regular menu.

I agree the owner can't possibly know everyone who has dined there. Whether BK went there never, once or often, I can't say and I doubt the owner knows.

And I certainly agree the MG doesn't deserve to go under because BK may or may not have eaten there!
 

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Wow, thank you for the info!

And so nice to see you on this thread, I remember liking a gazillion of your posts half a year ago!
There is no indication that the family has the kind of money to provide an apartment for BK. And no indication that he earned enough to do so. It's also worth remembering that some of his work was done during the intense phase of COVID lockdown, so there was not much incentive to get an apartment alone when no one was going out much, if at all. BK was doing grad work online so it's not that he needed close access for classes.
 

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Agreed, @Rolypolyoly !

In the case of BK and his alleged crimes...

IMOO, every time I read about people responding to this case with something along the lines of [paraphrasing] how could he have made any/so mistakes and/or be so stupid/such an idiot, when he was an accomplished student of psychology/criminology and whatever they surmise about his IQ...

It reminds me of the saying I heard often growing up with learned people around me: "no one is perfect, and you're the perfect example of that".

JMO :D
As a college professor, I can say without fear that people can be "accomplished students" in online classes (which is what BK too) but without the temperament or skills for applied work. I remember one journalism grad I knew from a good university who called me because she had to write a news story (something she did all the time for the U paper) but was freaking out because now ordinary people would be reading what she said about the city council. Theory vs. application. Textbook information vs. real-world observation, interpretation and action.
 

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Interesting. It's not clear to me though if
1. The Admitted Student Visits from Feb-April are aimed at grad students. The info seems aimed at undergrads-- mention of parents accompanying students, the workshops to explore academic interests led by faculty & staff (interests better be known by grad students!)..
2. Even if the events might be aimed at grad students, I'm not sure how many doctoral students would be admitted before Feb or even early March. I guess it depends on dept, discipline and whether lots of applications are received.
JMO
I agree it's not 100% clear if the Admitted Student Visits that can be reimbursed are for both undergrads and grad students, but I posted about it because it's a possibility specific to WSU that exists, and parents would be equally welcome to join grad students as undergrads, IMO. We don't know if BK would have attended something like this with his father.

There are more undergrads than grads in most schools, so it makes sense that a lot of material can be geared towards the underclass students, without excluding grads.

It doesn't seem there are many details on their website, maybe there is a catalog just for the grad schools that has more detail. It's likely the 5 events (Feb - April) are intended to capture rolling admissions to all programs with April as the final option, which BK could have made it to if he applied early enough and was on spring break from DeSales. JMO
 
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This report was on May 26, so you're a bit late to the party. This explains where Dateline got their information. It makes sense. PA LE is NOT under the ID gag order, nor is the FBI. Dateline NBC's Keith Morrison discusses Bryan Kohberger, Idaho murder case

Dateline is a reputable show. IMO they are not going to risk getting sued or losing their sources. Either PA LE or FBI found the origin of the K Bar knife and sheath. They know BK took it to WA because, it was not in his parents house when they arrested BK and searched that house and his vehicle and the sheath turned up in ID, so logically BK bought it and took it with him to WA.
PA LE may not be under the gag order but it depends on who the source was IMO and/or where the info comes from. If this information comes from,for eg., the return on the warrant to Amazon that was issued in Idaho (which is part of the investigation of this case), then IMO that information was leaked and comes under the gag order. If Dateline has independent sources that show the defendant purchased a KBar from Amazon in April 2022 and those sources are not connected with LE currently and previously investigating this case then no, not under gag. If Idaho LE leaked to PA LE then IMO gag order would have been defied.MOO.

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I agree it's not 100% clear if the Admitted Student Visits that can be reimbursed are for both undergrads and grad students, but I posted about it because it's a possibility specific to WSU that exists, and parents would be equally welcome to join grad students as undergrads, IMO. We don't know if BK would have attended something like this with his father.

There are more undergrads than grads in most schools, so it makes sense that a lot of material can be geared towards the underclass students, without excluding grads.

It doesn't seem there are many details on their website, maybe there is a catalog just for the grad schools that has more detail. It's likely the 5 events (Feb - April) are intended to capture rolling admissions to all programs with April as the final option, which BK could have made it to if he applied early enough and was on spring break from DeSales. JMO
These orientations are specific to the school (examples: business, engineering, law, medicine) you are a graduate student in and have nothing to do with the kind of orientation undergrads get. I don't recall ever seeing mention of these in student handbooks or online. Typically a specific invitation is sent to the grad students from their specific school about the event and you have to RSVP to attend and they arrange a place for you to stay. You pay for flights and they reimburse you later. For me, there were 2 options as far as dates go. When I did this, parents NEVER attended this 2 day event but who knows nowadays. There was an extensive orientation of your school ONLY not the whole university, then you would be meeting faculty and advisors in your school, meeting other grad students, meeting my class of grad students and then I was lucky enough to meet my professor- that doesn't always happen. There was even an hour dedicated to managing workload and stress. All interspersed with business meals and after dinner, a lot of the grad students went to a local bar with the grad students who were already in school there. Then rinse and repeat starting early the next day. There was an opportunity to look at job opportunities and apply for jobs. We could talk to faculty about research projects. My professor and I actually planned a paper we eventually wrote together during this time. Beyond that, there were private meetings with various other faculty members and about 1 hour of free time to try to find out where things were on campus or find housing or meet with other faculty, all before leaving, exhausted, but prepared to start your master's or PhD.
 
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