4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #89

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Cindizzi said:

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Does the prosecution normally share discovery with victim's families? I have no idea. There is a trial coming up next year in my family and the only things shared with us are things we were present for when they occurred. It never really occurred to me that discovery might to shared with the victim's famiies. That might be more than some people could bear. It hurts my heart to think about it.
 
Sundog said:
If he gets an offer to write a book with someone like Catherine Ramsland, he might do it. JMO.
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Wouldn't he be prohibited by law from accepting payment? I mean, the offer would have to go to someone besides him, right?

Maybe it varies by state. In theory, Son of Sam laws would prohibit him actually inking any deal on his own. Some lucky author(s) are going to get the book deals (and screenwriters, perhaps).

He's going to get lots of interview offers, for sure (when the trial is over and gag order is gone), for sure. But he can't sign a contract for pay, if he's convicted.

That's my understanding anyway, I'm sure there are people here who know more about this corner of law and publishing.

IMO.
 
Observe_dont_Absorb said:
How did you find out the difference between what they were doing and genuine people watching?
I love people watching and am a photographer so also like to take candid street photography.
However, as someone with my own difficulties and eccentricities, I'd be gutted if someone thought I'm being a stalkery weirdo.
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This particular person ended up in a pretrial diversion program, which isn't actually pretrial, but basically meant they pleaded guilty and were sentenced to years of intensive therapy with full disclosure and compliance as a requirement. (Any offender breaking the terms and rules of the program in a major or habitual way meant they got bumped back to receiving a custodial sentence.) It came out as part of that. I won't say much else, because the program was kind of unique and identifiable to a specific place and offender group. I will say though that they did end up in prison for things that came up a couple of years later and we know for a fact that there was a lot they never disclosed in therapy that we found out decades later.

MOO
 
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I spent so much time here I started to recognize the faces of a lot of the students who live in the surrounding apartments. It seems to be a lot of new people now.

Just got to Idaho to cover the Bryan Kohberger hearing this week. Last time I was here it was summer and the town was empty. This time it’s buzzing with students everywhere… many walking to and from class in front of the house where the murders happened.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1701386183035793667
 
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www.cbsnews.com

Sneak peek: The Night of the Idaho Student Murders

NEW SEASON: The family of murdered student Kaylee Goncalves says they may have uncovered a connection between the suspect, their daughter, and Maddie Mogen. "48 Hours" correspondent Peter Van Sant reports Saturday, Sept. 16 at 10/9c on CBS and streaming on Paramount+.
www.cbsnews.com


Sneak peek: The Night of the Idaho Student Murders

NEW SEASON: The family of murdered student Kaylee Goncalves says they may have uncovered a connection between the suspect, their daughter, and Maddie Mogen. "48 Hours" correspondent Peter Van Sant reports Saturday, Sept. 16 at 10/9c on CBS and streaming on Paramount+.7H AGO


The family of murdered student Kaylee Goncalves says they may have uncovered a connection between the suspect, their daughter, and Maddie Mogen. @PeterVanSant reports, Saturday at 10/9c on CBS and streaming on Paramount+.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1701687123546443843
 
cottonweaver said:
Anybody know why the G family assumed that they'd get access to Discovery?
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Dunno but I can imagine it being really, really hard to lose a child and simultaneously losing a sense of control. It's not your investigation, it's not your trial. It's the State's. That kind of surrender likely comes harder and slower for some... like losing your loved one twice in some ways.

Painful, surreal...

IMO for as many ways as there are to grieve, I suspect as many ways to relate to LE and its actions. Gratitude, anger, patience, impatience, outrage, hurt...



JMO
 
arielilane said:
www.cbsnews.com

Sneak peek: The Night of the Idaho Student Murders

NEW SEASON: The family of murdered student Kaylee Goncalves says they may have uncovered a connection between the suspect, their daughter, and Maddie Mogen. "48 Hours" correspondent Peter Van Sant reports Saturday, Sept. 16 at 10/9c on CBS and streaming on Paramount+.
www.cbsnews.com


Sneak peek: The Night of the Idaho Student Murders

NEW SEASON: The family of murdered student Kaylee Goncalves says they may have uncovered a connection between the suspect, their daughter, and Maddie Mogen. "48 Hours" correspondent Peter Van Sant reports Saturday, Sept. 16 at 10/9c on CBS and streaming on Paramount+.7H AGO


The family of murdered student Kaylee Goncalves says they may have uncovered a connection between the suspect, their daughter, and Maddie Mogen. @PeterVanSant reports, Saturday at 10/9c on CBS and streaming on Paramount+.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1701687123546443843
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Few thoughts.

1) 48 hours took their time and didn't rush anything out.

2) Assuming number 1 was strategic, I hope there's new reporting

3) I hope they were able to independently corroborate the information reported out by Dateline and the ABC News Podcast special. If they do then it's a good sign we'll see some of that evidence in trial.
 
maskedwoman said:
Does the prosecution normally share discovery with victim's families? I have no idea. There is a trial coming up next year in my family and the only things shared with us are things we were present for when they occurred. It never really occurred to me that discovery might to shared with the victim's famiies. That might be more than some people could bear. It hurts my heart to think about it.
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I think it's on a case-by-case basis. And some family members (like SG) seem to have exhibited a strong desire to know the facts - I would be the same way if I were a parent in this situation. But I think it's usually evidence that's shared, and not all of discovery.

I think the answer to the question is complex. "Discovery" refers only to what it's legally required to turn over to the other party in a suit, in my view. Only part of what turns up in discovery will be allowed in evidence. I'd think (IANAL!) that the family would hear about the evidence, once that stage of the trial occurs. Right now, they are quibbling over discovery issues, but eventually, the dust will settle and the Defense will surely try to get some of the discovery excluded as evidence.

There's certainly no law that I know of that bars a prosecutor from mentioning the actual evidence to the victim's families. Indeed, when the victim families have their own attorneys, that attorney should be on the list of those entitled to see the evidence. I think it would be in very bad form for either side to share discovery (rather than evidence) with anyone in advance of a Judge's ruling.

cottonweaver said:
Anybody know why the G family assumed that they'd get access to Discovery?
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Why do you think the G family assumed that they'd get access to Discovery?

Truly curious. TIA.

To me, they were just asking for answers to the obvious questions; have clearly been roped off from receiving discovery - but their attorney (under a gag order) is likely still able to call both sides, if the family so desires. I would assume that very very little is being given to the family at this point in time.

Was there a formal demand for discovery? Has it been filed as a motion? (I will admit I've not been keeping up with the court documents).
 
Chloegirl said:
As a photographer, it's okay to take the photos, but you actually need consent from the individuals. Many professionals take the shot, show it to the individual and ask for the consent or they delete it. I think it comes down to how you're viewing others. It is not our right to "feed off others". If you're getting an energetic hit gawking there's a point to question. Intent and consent is key. JMOO
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Actually, unless there is an expectation of privacy (bathrooms, locker rooms, private homes, backyards, etc.) you can take pictures in public without the consent of the person.

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Taking Photos in Public​

If you stand in a public place, you can usually take a photo of anything you can see. That means in a public park, on a public beach, on a city street or in an outdoor spectacle, like a marathon, you can shoot photos to your heart's content. Take snaps of trees and sidewalks, yes, but go ahead and snap shots of people, too. Be a little careful however if you are using a telephoto lens. Just because your feet are on public land doesn't mean that you can shoot into private property.

Laws About Being Photographed Without Permission
 
cottonweaver said:
Anybody know why the G family assumed that they'd get access to Discovery?
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I wonder if it isn't possible that they are using the term "discovery" in a much broader sense than the legal use of it, as in what the State and the Defense are required to turn over to each other. I wonder if they are using the words to more broadly mean "evidence and facts of the case."
 
girlhasnoname said:
Actually, unless there is an expectation of privacy (bathrooms, locker rooms, private homes, backyards, etc.) you can take pictures in public without the consent of the person.

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Taking Photos in Public​

If you stand in a public place, you can usually take a photo of anything you can see. That means in a public park, on a public beach, on a city street or in an outdoor spectacle, like a marathon, you can shoot photos to your heart's content. Take snaps of trees and sidewalks, yes, but go ahead and snap shots of people, too. Be a little careful however if you are using a telephoto lens. Just because your feet are on public land doesn't mean that you can shoot into private property.

Laws About Being Photographed Without Permission
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Interesting update. That's not how we were taught in college. There's an actual release of use form you're supposed to have people sign off on to consent. Maybe this is just CYA but it's a good idea nonetheless. JMOO
 
Does anyone recognize who the man at the end of the 48 Hours sneak peak is, the one who is saying that the State's case isn't so open and shut?

Ah--it's Howard Blum, the author of the Airmail article series about the murders.
 
Chloegirl said:
Interesting update. That's not how we were taught in college. There's an actual release of use form you're supposed to have people sign off on to consent. Maybe this is just CYA but it's a good idea nonetheless. JMOO
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Just like CCTV cameras, traffic camera, bank cameras, there really is no expectation of privacy anymore while out in public. They're everywhere, Ring doorbells, etc. It's good for LE, they've solved many, many times with video surveillance.

I think every killer goes to Walmart to buy clean up supplies, they must be the #1 provider of footage. :)
 
girlhasnoname said:
Just like CCTV cameras, traffic camera, bank cameras, there really is no expectation of privacy anymore while out in public. They're everywhere, Ring doorbells, etc. It's good for LE, they've solved many, many times with video surveillance.

I think every killer goes to Walmart to buy clean up supplies, they must be the #1 provider of footage. :)
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You're totally right about that so I will digress here. But if you're going to use anyone's imagery in your photography, you should still be following a release process. This often applies to more commercial and other aspects. JMOO
 
girlhasnoname said:
Just like CCTV cameras, traffic camera, bank cameras, there really is no expectation of privacy anymore while out in public. They're everywhere, Ring doorbells, etc. It's good for LE, they've solved many, many times with video surveillance.

I think every killer goes to Walmart to buy clean up supplies, they must be the #1 provider of footage. :)
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Ah, Walmart, bless you. You're an evil megacorp, but your surveillance is the crux of many a prosecution case. Used their credit card? Paid cash, but used their discount card? Didn't use anything identifiable at the point of sale, but walked past a millionty-one cameras while buying their bleach and garbage bags? Walmart sees all. Walmart knows all. And Walmart will hand it all over to LE without any problem.

MOO
 
girlhasnoname said:
Just like CCTV cameras, traffic camera, bank cameras, there really is no expectation of privacy anymore while out in public. They're everywhere, Ring doorbells, etc. It's good for LE, they've solved many, many times with video surveillance.

I think every killer goes to Walmart to buy clean up supplies, they must be the #1 provider of footage. :)
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I suspect Home Depot is a close tie or in the lead. After all, in addition to your clean up needs, you can get your Tyvek suits, ginormous storage bins, and um....dismembering equipment (a la Ana Walsh's husband).
 
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