4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98

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Because it’s a full profile on an item the killer absolutely touched.

An old, degraded, partial profile on something in the vicinity of the victims, holds a tiny fraction of the weight of the sheath DNA.

Logic says the killer was wearing gloves (Kohberger loves them), so you’re only going to find DNA on an item the killer touched before putting on gloves.

Like the sheath…

Apologies. I thought I remembered it being 'ambiguous and partial' from one of the hearings and admittedly am by no means a DNA expert of any kind.


Thanks!

MOO
 
Apologies. I thought I remembered it being 'ambiguous and partial' from one of the hearings and admittedly am by no means a DNA expert of any kind.


Thanks!

MOO
Nope, when you hear a number like this, it's a ridiculously strong match. I remember when numbers used to be billions to one. An octillion is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times larger. Nothing partial about that (where a partial profile could potentially match countless members of the public, depending on how weak/strong it is).

DNA on a knife sheath found at the off-campus home where four Idaho college students were killed last November directly links accused murderer Bryan Kohberger to the crime scene, according to court documents filed by prosecutors last week.

Law enforcement officials used investigative genetic genealogy to link DNA found on the sheath to Kohberger, 28, a doctoral student at nearby Washington State University studying criminology, according to the June 16 filing from the Latah County Prosecutor’s Office. The investigation found that the DNA was at least 5.37 octillion times more likely to be Kohberger's than an unrelated member of the public, the document states.


 
At one point, I thought he left it there intentionally since he had probably wiped off the whole sheath before he left that night. I think he was going to call himself the sheath killer or something like that. And keep doing it becoming a Serial Killer like he had studied.

However, I am not so convinced he left it on purpose now.
The KBar Killer perhaps
KB /=/ BK
 
At one point, I thought he left it there intentionally since he had probably wiped off the whole sheath before he left that night. I think he was going to call himself the sheath killer or something like that. And keep doing it becoming a Serial Killer like he had studied.

However, I am not so convinced he left it on purpose now.
I don't believe he left it there intentionally. I just think his plan didn't go as expected. He didn't expect two individuals in the bed nor a barking dog. Also, I think he he may have heard someone else in the house saying " someones here", and he left the third floor abruptly.
 
Has there been any mention of where the knife was purchased? I read the D is trying to get his Amazon account thrown out. I wonder if it's because he purchased that KBar on Amazon. I looked it up and you can purchase it for about $100.
I don't think we know, but that Amazon account is important for a reason. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he purchased it on there.
 
At one point, I thought he left it there intentionally since he had probably wiped off the whole sheath before he left that night. I think he was going to call himself the sheath killer or something like that. And keep doing it becoming a Serial Killer like he had studied.

However, I am not so convinced he left it on purpose now.

If he was trying to be a criminal mastermind and didn't want to lose it, he'd have tethered it to himself (like mountain climbers do) wouldn't he? Surely he must have run through his plans?

If he left it on purpose, was he trying to frame someone else?

JMO MOO
 
Do you think that it was the same glove that youtuber found when he drove around Moscow, Idaho? because I don't think it's the same glove. IMO.
Yes it is.
Said YouTuber is a retired homicide detective.
I don't know if the glove is relevant or not, but that's the only glove that was ever mentioned as being added to evidence.
This article discusses the finding of the glove and how it was collected by LE after he found it.
There's a video linked in the article where he discusses finding the glove (timestamp 47:05-50:10).
 
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One thing all these murder suspects have in common, is how spectacularly unlucky they were on the day/night in question.

Remarkable coincidence after remarkable coincidence.

It’s never just a coincidence though.
Yes, when is too much coincidence not a coincidence? I ask that a lot, much to the chagrin of other posters I'm sure. :p

A jury of BK's peers will have to ultimately answer that question, but I don't believe they will have a problem in finding that BK's long list of coincidences shows guilt, not coincidence.

JMO
 
So it's clear as mud to me. I doubt anyone thinks it doesn't matter of someone else was involved because there's evidence BK was involved. So I don't get it. Of course, there are always oddities in any case but this seems like strange uninvestigated evidence to leave hanging around without making some efforts.... And if I think that, so could a juror.
MOO

RSBM/BBM

If this was directed at my original post, it is not what I meant. I was simply opining that the presence of someone else connected to the crime does not logically clear the defendant so long as his DNA is on the murder weapon.

IMO showing an alt suspect does not really help the defence in this case. Unless they can get the DNA tossed, we know without a shadow of a doubt BK handled the murder weapon.
 
RSBM/BBM

If this was directed at my original post, it is not what I meant. I was simply opining that the presence of someone else connected to the crime does not logically clear the defendant so long as his DNA is on the murder weapon.

IMO showing an alt suspect does not really help the defence in this case. Unless they can get the DNA tossed, we know without a shadow of a doubt BK handled the murder weapon.
BBM

I don't recall reading your post that was on this topic (and I don't see what you apparently bolded [BBM] in my post. So I can't address that either.)

My previous comments regarding WS posts on this topic referenced those recently linked by @iamshadow21. None were yours. So no, I wasn't directing my comments at your original post.

At this point, we do not know all the evidence that will be admitted and presented at trial. We also don't know what challenges the defense will raise in cross examination. So judging how jurors will view "the evidence" is largely impossible. But I am pretty sure I'd be conflicted as a juror IF 1) evidence showed BK's DNA on the knife sheath (that's obviously NOT "the murder weapon"...the murder weapon hasn't been found yet and probably won't be IMO.) And yet, 2) there was other unidentified male DNA in the relative vicinity of at least one body (if that's where it was.)

Motive doesn't have to be shown for murder and it may not be possible for "normal" people to understand some killers' motives anyway. But as a juror for this case, to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt I'd want to have an understanding of what happened (as I have when I've been an actual juror.) "Mystery" DNA wouldn't help my understanding unless it was found in a place clearly disconnected from the crime. (But as I posted earlier, why would LE swab in clearly disconnected areas?) And while we may talk freely on WS about it being a "party house," I'm not sure how far the state would want to go to convince jurors the deceased victims were "party girls" so lots of different male DNA would be expected to be floating around. People DO victim-blame-- there are all kinds of reasons that happens. Reasons include the psychological need to believe in a "just world," attribution errors, and gender bias/stereotyping. Doing anything to point jurors in that direction wouldn't be good.

I find it impossible to believe that BK had an accomplice of any sort - if ever there was a loner he is it.

BK may very well be an extreme loner. But IMO we think we know that 1) because we've studied everything we can get our hands on about BK for many months-- some was reliable info, some not. (Clearly, as always happens in high-profile cases, some who spoke up were just looking for their 15 minutes of fame.) And 2) our knowledge of BK involves purported "facts" and character evidence that won't be part of the court case anyway. So I wouldn't count on jurors necessarily having the same view as those on WS, assuming jurors don't come in with their minds already made up. But even if they did think he was a loner, there have been high-profile pairs of conspiring criminals where one of the two had a "loner personna" and background. So if I was a juror, before I made up my mind about guilt I'd still want the unknown sources of DNA to be addressed. And that can't be done, at least not logically IMO, by pointing to BK's alleged guilt.
MOO
 
Well, if his full profile is there, then that makes it even more likely he was the last person to touch it, and recently.
LA case. Profile on a fingernail he never touched in a house he never entered. Transferred three hours after contact with a first responder.
I don't see why a knife sheath found in the bed of a stabbing victim with a single complete profile on the use point is dubious to anyone. The item was tested and the profile sequenced weeks before they had anyone to test it against, ruling out cross contamination.
When was it first tested?
When did LE first know the name BK?
And if BK had any legitimate reason why his DNA would be found there in that manner without being responsible, he would have produced it by now, and he hasn't.
MOO
The D in this case would need all the names of who discovered/handled the sheath, chain of custody, and the collection procedures and lab protocols used on the sheath.

1/7/2025
The lab protocols and evidence collection procedures have not been disclosed

all jmo
 
Yes it is.
Said YouTuber is a retired homicide detective.
I don't know if the glove is relevant or not, but that's the only glove that was ever mentioned as being added to evidence.
This article discusses the finding of the glove and how it was collected by LE after he found it.
There's a video linked in the article where he discusses finding the glove (timestamp 47:05-50:10).
Thank you so much for the Timestamp. I was wondering if youtuber was the retired homicide detective, so it is that guy. The glove that he found on was Nov 24, 2022 and the glove that was mentioned by defense team was found on Nov. 20, 2022. I don't believe that they are the same glove.So, I'm going to agree to disagree on this situation. IMO.

From the defense filed on June 2023
source https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/...ion+to+States+Motion+for+Protective+Order.pdf

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It's mentioned at the beginning by the reporter when the retired homicide detective found the


All in imo.
 
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Interesting @PinkParis2052 !
I don't disagree with you, I just had never heard of another glove being found at the house, but clearly there seems to be one mentioned in that Defense filing. Very intriguing.
Either there's a typo on the date in that filing or there were indeed two gloves.
Left and right hand of the same pair?
 
Interesting @PinkParis2052 !
I don't disagree with you, I just had never heard of another glove being found at the house, but clearly there seems to be one mentioned in that Defense filing. Very intriguing.
Either there's a typo on the date in that filing or there were indeed two gloves.
Left and right hand of the same pair?
oh okay, I see now.
Yes I agree it's interesting.
I'm thinking what you mentioned - that it may be typo of the date found in the filing - if it was two gloves, I would think that the defense would have mentioned two gloves, imo at least I would hope so. and if there was a left and right hand of the same pair, I would think that the defense should have mentioned that it was what appeared to be the same pair of gloves. IMO, I'm just thinking out loud here.

All in imo.
 
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