4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #99

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Lol, I don't need MSM to tell me that 5 octillion to one is a complete profile; the number itself is self proving. That's not thousands or millions to one like we hear in cases with partial profiles.

My guess is that the FBI was trying to expedite the process, and perhaps Othram would have run the risk of a lawsuit if they violated those companies' TOS.

So let me get this straight;

Everyone is lying.
Everyone is putting their careers in jeopardy.
The defense, who has unquestionably misrepresented evidence on numerous occasions, is telling the truth here.

And how the hell does this change the fact that BK's DNA is on the sheath?

Here’s what chat GTP has to say:

It is extremely unlikely that a 5 octillion to one (1 in 5,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) DNA match came from a partial profile.

A match with odds this high almost always comes from a full DNA profile, typically analyzing 20+ loci. A partial profile has fewer loci, making it much less statistically powerful. Even a strong partial profile might only reach match probabilities in the millions or billions to one range, not octillions.

For forensic DNA statistics to reach octillion-level certainty, the profile must be highly complete, meaning it includes enough unique genetic markers to make the odds of a coincidental match virtually zero.
Mic drop. JMO
 
All MOO

Well the defense has asked what 22 or 23 times now for the DNA discovery and the prosecution just keeps ignoring the request. So AT definitely is interested in seeing how they came to the conclusion it's BK's DNA. The longer they go without showing the more it makes me think they may have manipulated it to match BK's DNA.

That's just my opinion.

Prosecutor: More than 20,000 pieces of evidence given to Kohberger attorneys Prosecutor: More than 20,000 pieces of evidence given to Kohberger attorneys.​


MOSCOW, Idaho (Court TV) – Prosecutors in Idaho are firing back at the attorney representing Bryan Kohberger, saying they have handed over tens of thousands of reports, photographs and other evidence before a June preliminary hearing.

In a filing dated May 4, attorneys representing Kohberger filed a motion to compel discovery, saying the evidence they had requested from the state had not been delivered.

Prosecutors filed a response to the motion ahead of a scheduled May 22 hearing on the issue, saying that as of May 4, the Latah County Prosecutor’s Office had provided approximately:

  • 10,000 pages of reports and other written materials
  • 10,200 photographs
  • 9,200 tips
  • 51 terabytes of audio/visual media and digital materials
In their motion, attorneys representing Kohberger specifically pointed to bodycam and dashcam footage from officers involved in his arrest in Pennsylvania, reports detailing forensic evidence collected from his car and parents’ home and police reports related to his arrest and incarceration in Pennsylvania.

In response, the prosecution said all known items had been disclosed, and that the state was unaware of any footage beyond what was already disclosed, and “on information and belief, understands there is no body cam footage.” Prosecutors said the forensic reports on evidence collected at Kohberger’s family’s home and from his car, including reports from the FBI laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, were given to the defense, as well as the opportunity to directly view and inspect items seized as part of the investigation.

The only record prosecutors said they had not disclosed to the defense as requested were the training records for officers involved in the investigation, which the state argued in its response to the defense’s motion falls outside the scope of discovery.

Prosecutors dispute Kohberger defense claims to strike evidence from Idaho murder case

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article296705684.html#storylink=cpy


Prosecutors dispute Kohberger defense claims to strike evidence from Idaho murder case

Led by Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson, state attorneys argued in more than a dozen legal briefs — most of them sealed — that the evidence in question should remain available to them to prove Kohberger’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. The briefs were submitted to the court last Friday, but those made public did not publish to an Idaho court’s website until late Thursday because the judge in the case took several days to review them, a court clerk told the Idaho Statesman. Prosecutors sought in the filings to thwart attempts by Kohberger’s defense to suppress certain evidence that police said ties the defendant to the November 2022 fatal stabbings of four University of Idaho students in Moscow.

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article296705684.html#storylink=cpy
 
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It's entirely possible that BK could have told this neighbour about a DNA test that confirmed his heritage, but that it wasn't BK who took the test. Considering they found him through IGG, can we not consider that someone in the wider family had been doing the research and had just shared their findings?. We don't know exactly what BK said to the neighbour, it's hearsay and completely open to paraphrasing on their part.
It's also just as possible that BK was embellishing his story and trying to make the neighbour feel silly about his Italian guess, telling him nope, German and I have the tests to prove it!. I feel like BK is the type of personality that enjoys belittling other people to make themselves feel better.
All obviously just speculation and MOO.
As an amateur genealogist, one doesn’t need a DNA test to get a pretty good idea of one’s heritage. Knowing your grandparents (maiden) last names works pretty well except if there were adoptions. It’s not 100% but …..
 
As an amateur genealogist, one doesn’t need a DNA test to get a pretty good idea of one’s heritage. Knowing your grandparents (maiden) last names works pretty well except if there were adoptions. It’s not 100% but …..
It doesn't even take that sometimes. It doesn't take a DNA test to realise you might have Germanic heritage if your surname is Kohberger.

MOO
 
What does WE mean?
But yes I do think he was going to swap cars with dad/ another family member or was going to try ,I believe the whole dad flight and drive trip was because the car was presented as it need to drive back before it would no longer be able to drive anywhere.


All MOO

Does it matter? In my opinion his car had nothing to do with the crime hence why there isn't a spec of evidence in it.

Just my opinion.
 
Or because he doesn't have any real friends he takes advantage of one of the only people that loves him (Father) and he uses him to help make his get away. What a piece of work. JMO.

This is how I see it too, from the outside looking in, of course.

From the glimpses we’ve had, it seems to me that here is a father who doesn’t quite understand his very puzzling son. Yet the father loves his son and has likely struggled for years in trying to help him. He has two daughters who are more socially adept. BK is the outlier with his visual snow, his lack of friends, and his off-putting affect.

BK knows this and takes advantage of his good-hearted dad. A dad who, unlike the sisters, never had an inkling that his son could actually murder anyone.

Just my impression, of course.
 
I think he was going to switch out a car ,one with PA tags and his dad was gonna take that suspect car WITH the new tags. IMO .
Maybe. But it was reported that one of the first things that BK's father did when they arrived back home in PA was to take the car in for servicing, so I don't think he was aware that the car wasn't going to make the return trip back to WSU.
 
I have wondered if BK was setting up to replace the vehicle. Claiming mechanical issues. Could be another reason why his dad accompanied him cross country, worry that the vehicle might not be up to the ask.

I'll be curious to know if it did require repair, if it was brought in for diagnostics or if just needed routine servicing after a long drive.

I am not moved by the seeming lack of evidence in the car itself. The defendant had ample knowledge about DNA and transfer so no doubt he took steps before and after to address that. He might not be the smartest person in the room but he's also not the dumbest.

Meanest but not dumbest.

JMO
 
I'm sorry, maybe it's just me but I have a hard time believing that anyone thinks it's normal to drive 2500-5000 miles for Christmas break, it's like 4-5 days of driving each way, 1/3 of the break would be spent driving.

He wanted his car home because he had zero intentions of returning after the break.

100% MOO

I think we've established on here that many graduate students will drive great distances during a month-long winter break in order to spend the holidays at home with family. With two drivers, it is likely that they could have made the trip from Pullman to PA in 3 days, driving 12 hours a day. I've driven from CA to Ohio (about the same distance as Pullman to PA) in 3 1/2 days when on a month-long break. Many grad students do the same thing, as attested to with earlier posts on this thread. It's really not that unusual.

Whether BK intended to return to WSU or not, we don't know. But regardless, I think the Christmas holiday trip home by car was planned ahead of time and his mother and father expected him home for Christmas and planned on dad driving with him.
 
I think we've established on here that many graduate students will drive great distances during a month-long winter break in order to spend the holidays at home with family. With two drivers, it is likely that they could have made the trip from Pullman to PA in 3 days, driving 12 hours a day. I've driven from CA to Ohio (about the same distance as Pullman to PA) in 3 1/2 days when on a month-long break. Many grad students do the same thing, as attested to with earlier posts on this thread. It's really not that unusual.

Whether BK intended to return to WSU or not, we don't know. But regardless, I think the Christmas holiday trip home by car was planned ahead of time and his mother and father expected him home for Christmas and planned on dad driving with him.
I will agree to disagree that it is normal to make a 5000 mile round trip over Christmas break. I still believe this trip was arranged because BK had committed a quadruple homicide and knew LE was on the lookout for a white Elantra and that he had absolutely no intention of returning to Pullman.

MOO

Edited to add; why wouldn't his folks fly him home for the holidays if they wanted him there?
 
All MOO

Does it matter? In my opinion his car had nothing to do with the crime hence why there isn't a spec of evidence in it.

Just my opinion.
“his car had nothing to do with the crime”

I think that he drove the car to the crime scene location and after the crime he took a long route back to his apartment qualifies as something to do with his car.

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I will agree to disagree that it is normal to make a 5000 mile round trip over Christmas break. I still believe this trip was arranged because BK had committed a quadruple homicide and knew LE was on the lookout for a white Elantra and that he had absolutely no intention of returning to Pullman.

MOO

Edited to add; why wouldn't his folks fly him home for the holidays if they wanted him there?


All MOO

does it matter? Either way him driving home with his dad for Xmas break doesn't make it more or less likely he did it.

Also, in my opinion the fact he left his computer at school meant he was coming back. Who would leave that?
 
Is it your opinion that BK is not involved in this crime in any way?
Or just his vehicle?
Genuinely curious

All MOO

It is my opinion his car definitely was not. I am open to him being involved but do not believe he did it by himself. I also lean towards BK has never stepped foot in that house which is why they only found a few of his skin cells on a moveable object.

In my opinion they have nothing on BK other than the transfer DNA. For me there is quite a bit of reasonable doubt.

That's my opinion. I realize it won't be popular but that is my opinion.
 
All MOO

does it matter? Either way him driving home with his dad for Xmas break doesn't make it more or less likely he did it.

Also, in my opinion the fact he left his computer at school meant he was coming back. Who would leave that?
IMO, I think it matters why he went home because it is indicative of a guilty conscience. IMO, I don't think BK's dad was aware at any point that BK was in as much trouble as he was.

What did BK have to come back to? He had been let go from his position as a TA, if his apartment was subsidized by the department and he had pissed off the department head, what would be the point of returning? Maybe the computer was broken or a piece of junk. None of us know all the answers.

JMO

JMO
 
All MOO

It is my opinion his car definitely was not. I am open to him being involved but do not believe he did it by himself. I also lean towards BK has never stepped foot in that house which is why they only found a few of his skin cells on a moveable object.

In my opinion they have nothing on BK other than the transfer DNA. For me there is quite a bit of reasonable doubt.

That's my opinion. I realize it won't be popular but that is my opinion.
I appreciate you sharing this, it provides some perspective.
 
All MOO

It is my opinion his car definitely was not. I am open to him being involved but do not believe he did it by himself. I also lean towards BK has never stepped foot in that house which is why they only found a few of his skin cells on a moveable object.

In my opinion they have nothing on BK other than the transfer DNA. For me there is quite a bit of reasonable doubt.

That's my opinion. I realize it won't be popular but that is my opinion.
The surveillance footage, timing, and cell phone activity are consistent with it being his vehicle. I don't know how you can say his car "definitely was not used." That's contrary to the evidence here, and while I can see not being convinced of that part, I don't understand such a conclusion.

The skin cell amount keeps decreasing with every retelling of that piece of evidence. First it was 20, then it was 8, now it's just a few. What matters is the context, and where that DNA was found. It wasn't found on a doorknob, or on some random object; it was found on a specific portion of a knife sheath that the killer would have had to touch.

Saying that the DNA is the only evidence in this case, is beyond disingenuous.

He drives a white car - lots of people drive white cars.

That car is believed to be a Hyundai - Ok, but that's still a lot of people.

His Hyundai happens to be leaving campus in the middle of the night, consistent with the timeframe of the murders - ok, getting somewhere.

His phone suddenly goes dark minutes into that trip, and only comes back online after the murders were believed to have occurred - Ok, now we're really getting somewhere.

His phone activity and surveillance footage put him arriving back at campus after the murders - Everything fits with it being his car.

The earliest he could have fallen asleep is around 6AM that morning, yet he's back in the area of the house 3 hours later.

Forget something Bryan?

WSU police had his name well before investigators in this case had it. Why? Because of that car.
 
“his car had nothing to do with the crime”

I think that he drove the car to the crime scene location and after the crime he took a long route back to his apartment qualifies as something to do with his car.

<modsnip: snarky/personalizing/unnecessary>

That is your opinion. You should state that b/c we do not know for a fact his car was anywhere near that house. The 12 'pings' means he was somewhere in a 27 mile radius. Most of you act like those pings are the driveway of 1122 King Rd and that's not the case.

Yes the complete lack of evidence in his car all but guarantees that nobody escaped a crime scene in that specific car after stabbing four people to death. Some of you say he must of prepped his car but again this is real life where it doesn't work like that.


As for the DNA it was touch or transfer DNA which is NOTHING. If you use that DNA to lean towards guilt then you have to give equal weight to the LACK OF VICTIM DNA in his car. There is no way the perp did not carry a spec of one victims dna to their next location (be it the car, or they ran, etc). People do not realize how much his car was stripped and analyzed: seats, air vents, carpeting. Something would have gone somewhere. And yet his car showed nothing and it also showed no evidence of cleaning agents. No shower curtain or shrink wrapping is going to cover that up. This is going to be a HUGE hurdle for the prosecution. AT can poke lots of holes in that touch DNA; the prosecution cannot create DNA.

We still don't know what BK will say do we? According to AT BF has exculpatory evidence or so she claims?

I've always thought it was odd also the the Police Chief loaded up the uhaul and drove it who know where?

I still think the 8 hour delay to call 911 is very odd.

But out of all of it, I find it all impossible that one guy with no connections went into a house with six cars in the driveway with nothing but a knife and somehow came out with not even a scratch. I say he didn't have a scratch b/c BK had a doctors appointment a couple days later and we'd of heard if he had cuts or bruises or the very least his students would of seen the cuts or bruises imo if he had any.

I find it odd they tried to have the house deep cleaned asap and AT had to put a stop to it.

I find it odd that they tore the house down asap.

So I'm not saying he's innocent but I do have reasonable doubt personally. I just hope the prosecution has a lot more than what we've seen so far. B/c if I was on the jury I would have reasonable doubt he did this.

All MOO
 
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All MOO

does it matter? Either way him driving home with his dad for Xmas break doesn't make it more or less likely he did it.

Also, in my opinion the fact he left his computer at school meant he was coming back. Who would leave that?
And LE thought he would be returning to WSU according to the PCA exhibit for the apartment search warrant:

page 36
While I believe Kohberger is visiting family in Pennsylvania over the current school break at WSU, I believe he intends to return for the start of the next semester,so I expect his belongings to still be in his residence at 1630 NE Valley Rd, G201.

JMO
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