Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #196

[photographer4]

I wonder who police were talking about this headline came out: "

Delphi murder cops say they KNOW who killer is and warn 'today could be the day we come after you' but still haven't made any arrests after five years of fruitless leads: Victim's families beg for closure"​

Delphi murder cops say they KNOW who killer is but haven't arrested

It has been five years since Abigail Williams and Libby German, both 14, were murdered in Delphi, Indiana, but police are yet to make any arrests despite claiming to know who the killer is.

www.dailymail.co.uk

8 months before RA was arrested...

2. Do we have any idea yet if there will be cameras in the courtroom for the trial?

 

[FrostedGlass]

All this back and forth about paperwork, in my opinion, is totally irrelevant to RA’s guilt or innocence.
I will weigh in on perhaps why the results on the carpet testing haven’t been released. The results were not necessary to get an arrest or a search warrant and since there is a gag order in place, that the prosecution has meticulously adhered to unlike the defense, the results are being held for trial. The defense knows the results, but we don’t. Could be a blockbuster, could be a nothing.
The prosecution has a lot of evidence we won’t see until trial.

Just my opinion

Since you chose to quote me, I'll say it is relevant to me.

The attorneys also argued that nothing relevant to the case was taken from Allen’s home.
“The affidavit failed to connect generic items to actual items that were possibly used in the crime,” the attorneys concluded.

Boots, knives and car carpeting: What police seized from Delphi murder suspect’s home

DELPHI, Ind. — Among the over 110 documents unsealed Wednesday in the Delphi murders was a search warrant for suspect Richard Allen’s home and a list of what Indiana State Police seized. Alle…

fox59.com

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

Has the Perlmutter testimony been released here yet?

 

[tlcya]

I wonder who police were talking about this headline came out: "

Delphi murder cops say they KNOW who killer is and warn 'today could be the day we come after you' but still haven't made any arrests after five years of fruitless leads: Victim's families beg for closure"​

Delphi murder cops say they KNOW who killer is but haven't arrested

It has been five years since Abigail Williams and Libby German, both 14, were murdered in Delphi, Indiana, but police are yet to make any arrests despite claiming to know who the killer is.

www.dailymail.co.uk

8 months before RA was arrested...

2. Do we have any idea yet if there will be cameras in the courtroom for the trial?

that may be what the headline reads (ala DM and their attention getting sensationalism). But the text of the article states:

In an interview on Thursday morning with Good Morning America, Doug Carter, Superintendent of the Indiana State Police, said: 'My resolve to catch him is as strong now as it was day one.'

'But the difference now is that we know ABOUT you. A lot about you. Today could be the day. Sleep well.'

Delphi murder cops say they KNOW who killer is but haven't arrested

It has been five years since Abigail Williams and Libby German, both 14, were murdered in Delphi, Indiana, but police are yet to make any arrests despite claiming to know who the killer is.

www.dailymail.co.uk

allcap emphasis mine

Which to me reads NOT like he knows WHO the killer is but is sending a message to the killer he believes is in the town's midst. that message IMO was - we are learning a lot about you, you have no idea what evidence we have against you (killer). Eventually we will come for you, be afraid, we will not give up, we will find you, etc.

 

[Vern]

Has the Perlmutter testimony been released here yet?

It is. You can find it in this post:

Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #195

ETA this is a pdf download so not what you asked for. Leaving it stand as it’s easy to download though. Yes thank you steeltowngirl, that's the pdf download link for Harshman, I guess his transcript is not published on scribd site yet?

www.websleuths.com

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

It is. You can find it in this post:

Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #195

ETA this is a pdf download so not what you asked for. Leaving it stand as it’s easy to download though. Yes thank you steeltowngirl, that's the pdf download link for Harshman, I guess his transcript is not published on scribd site yet?

www.websleuths.com

Thank you. I’ve read it, I just wasn’t sure if I could talk about it.

 

[sunshineray]

I wonder who police were talking about this headline came out: "

Delphi murder cops say they KNOW who killer is and warn 'today could be the day we come after you' but still haven't made any arrests after five years of fruitless leads: Victim's families beg for closure"​

Delphi murder cops say they KNOW who killer is but haven't arrested

It has been five years since Abigail Williams and Libby German, both 14, were murdered in Delphi, Indiana, but police are yet to make any arrests despite claiming to know who the killer is.

www.dailymail.co.uk

8 months before RA was arrested...

2. Do we have any idea yet if there will be cameras in the courtroom for the trial?

Daily News going for the headline is all. ISP Carter said, "...we know about you. A lot about you" News left the "about" out of their headline in favor of a "KNOW".

 

[sunshineray]

Has the Perlmutter testimony been released here yet?

Yes

3 Day Hearing - Google Drive

drive.google.com

 

[shonyakay]

Richard Allen stated he saw these vehicles at the Mears trailhead parking lot while he was walking to the Monon High Bridge. If Richard Allen is lying, he came up with some great lies to make it seem like other people could be in the area of the Monon High Bridge around the same time as himself and Abigail Williams and Liberty German.

I agree. Richard Allen arrived before KG and BB so where did these cars that he saw at the Mears trailhead parking lot come from?

Another great lie he came up with in the 2022 interview was the time he got there and left. He made sure he stated he left before the crime happened. Imagine that.

 

[shonyakay]

AW's Sept 2020 interview at around 27:45 she talks about LE telling her there were 50+ people in the trail areas that day.

Lots of other people but only BG (RA imo) and Abby and Libby disappeared at the same time.

 

[Spartygirl]

I think, RA must have seen the black (??) van with many decals on the rear windshield, which Kelsi saw. (As usual, can't find the exact description atm.) Did RA see this vehicle? Did he identify any vehicle at all?

Plus FSG was there IIRC.. and there are 2 brothers (although DG saw only one of them when he arrived ) so maybe both were there as they maintain the trails, etc so could have seen their vehicles.
JMO

 

[Vern]

D-26

 

[somequestions]

Another great lie he came up with in the 2022 interview was the time he got there and left. He made sure he stated he left before the crime happened. Imagine that.

I cannot explain it. I can only speculate that Richard Allen lied because he did not know that the police knew the approximate time of the crime based on Liberty German's video and still picture from the video, which would not be released until the news conference on February 22, 2017.

I think considering all the confessions and the unspent cartridge found at the crime scene it looks like he might be convicted by a jury if they can figure out how Richard Allen got back to his car after the crime.
Maybe Richard Allen lied the first time when he talked to the conservation officer about leaving at 3:30pm due to being seen by SC while walking on the road at 3:57pm?

Another question I have: At some time shortly after 3:57pm, did the Hoosier Harvest Store video pick up Richard Allen's black 2016 Ford Focus going back past the Hoosier Harvest Store surveillance camera, presumably to travel home?

 

[Vern]

I cannot explain it. I can only speculate that Richard Allen lied because he did not know that the police knew the approximate time of the crime based on Liberty German's video and still picture from the video, which would not be released until the news conference on February 22, 2017.

I think considering all the confessions and the unspent cartridge found at the crime scene it looks like he might be convicted by a jury if they can figure out how Richard Allen got back to his car after the crime.
Maybe Richard Allen lied the first time when he talked to the conservation officer about leaving at 3:30pm due to being seen by SC while walking on the road at 3:57pm?

Another question I have: At some time shortly after 3:57pm, did the Hoosier Harvest Store video pick up Richard Allen's black 2016 Ford Focus going back past the Hoosier Harvest Store surveillance camera, presumably to travel home?

Your question assumes he took that route home. Maybe, maybe not.

We'll find out at the trial.

 

[mrjitty]

I am really interested what the D opening arguments will be.

One suspects the starting point was RA left at 1.30pm and cannot be Bridge Guy.

All the stuff about where the steps took the girls, a second location, and someone turning on the phone at 4.30am needs to be carefully handled IMO. The second location theory seems so improbable that it could actually make RA look even more guilty. Perhaps the idea of someone turning the phone on at 4,30am is better as a standalone idea ...

However I am sceptical that will actually fly given Cecil's evidence and the D's propensity for creating conspiracies for the gallery. The only thing we know about this theory is X from the defence attorney. We've never seen any evidence the phone was switched on (as opposed to received messages)

MOO

 

[sunshineray]

I cannot explain it. I can only speculate that Richard Allen lied because he did not know that the police knew the approximate time of the crime based on Liberty German's video and still picture from the video, which would not be released until the news conference on February 22, 2017.

I think considering all the confessions and the unspent cartridge found at the crime scene it looks like he might be convicted by a jury if they can figure out how Richard Allen got back to his car after the crime.
Maybe Richard Allen lied the first time when he talked to the conservation officer about leaving at 3:30pm due to being seen by SC while walking on the road at 3:57pm?

Another question I have: At some time shortly after 3:57pm, did the Hoosier Harvest Store video pick up Richard Allen's black 2016 Ford Focus going back past the Hoosier Harvest Store surveillance camera, presumably to travel home?

I'm confused as to what you're saying. RA lied, a few days after the murders, to DD about leaving at 3:30pm, because RA knew that SC had seen him walking back to his car at 3:57pm? Isn't that a lie that makes him look guilty, in hindsight of SC coming forward? Why wouldn't he have told DD he left at 1:30 right then and there, instead of waiting almost 6 years before changing his story?

 

[shonyakay]

I think considering all the confessions and the unspent cartridge found at the crime scene it looks like he might be convicted by a jury if they can figure out how Richard Allen got back to his car after the crime.
Maybe Richard Allen lied the first time when he talked to the conservation officer about leaving at 3:30pm due to being seen by SC while walking on the road at 3:57pm?

Another question I have: At some time shortly after 3:57pm, did the Hoosier Harvest Store video pick up Richard Allen's black 2016 Ford Focus going back past the Hoosier Harvest Store surveillance camera, presumably to travel home?

Snipped by me:
We need more information.

We need to know what exactly is in view via the Hoosier Harvest store's camera?

Is it only pointed in one direction?

If so, which direction?

Is it a motion censored camera?

If so, would it pick up someone walking at a distance?

Did RA stay within the tree line after the crime until he got closer to his car and possibly out of the view of the camera?

Did RA even leave in his car right away?
I ask that because when BB's sketch was released at the 2019 presser, Doug Carter mentioned that they were looking for the driver of a car that was seen at the old CPS/Welfare building from Noon to 5 p.m. on February 14, 2017. The girls' were missing on the 13th and found on the 14th.
Did Carter make a mistake on the date?
Was he actually speaking about the day the girls' went missing on the 13th?
If so, the car they were interested in may have been there until 5 p.m.
If he really was speaking about February 14th, the day the girls' bodies were found, was it RA's car? It wouldn't be the first time a criminal came back to the area of their crime.

I can't wait for trial to learn more information but it is not about me, or any of us, it's ultimately about them (Libby and Abby).

 

[shonyakay]

I cannot explain it. I can only speculate that Richard Allen lied because he did not know that the police knew the approximate time of the crime based on Liberty German's video and still picture from the video, which would not be released until the news conference on February 22, 2017.

I don't believe he lied to DD in 2017 for that very reason. RA didn't know what Libby's phone would reveal. Like the Video/Audio of him (Imo) and how the phone's Apple Health data stopped recording movement at 2:32 p.m.

Why did he change the timeframe when questioned in 2022?
To try to place himself out of there before the crime, before BG was recorded on Libby's phone. Imo.

 

[girlhasnoname]

It’s all very quiet considering the trial is less than a month away.

The DPG is probably up all night helping the D with their case since Judge Gull ruled only 3rd party evidence with a true connection to be allowed.

Wouldn’t you love to be a fly on the wall there.

If the defense doesn’t get an Appealate court or SCOIN review of their Motion, which I don’t believe they will, they have a large looming trial ahead of them.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see the D reach out for a Plea deal. I don’t know if the State would agree to one.

Jmo

 

[girlhasnoname]

Lots of other people but only BG (RA imo) and Abby and Libby disappeared at the same time.

All 3 never to be seen on the trails again that day by anyone.

EBM: Clarifying post

Moo