Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #198

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The defense is calling Doug Carter as a witness? Any thoughts on that?!

jmo

IANAL, but I get the impression the defense team is trying to intimidate some prosecution witnesses by calling them. They may also try to impugn their credibility. Make their testimony seem less reliable.

JMO, it could backfire for the defense. Doesn't seem like a good idea.

BTW, witnesses don't have a choice about whether they want to testify for the defense or prosecution. If they're called, they have to do it. If they're prosecution witnesses, testifying for the defense doesn't mean they agree with them. They may not have a choice.
 
Regarding the 120 defense witnesses.

Richard Allen has The right to a defense and it is a fundamental right in the United States Constitution.

He is presumed innocent in a court of law until proven guilty, the penalty of the charges brought against him if found guilty would amount to the rest of his life in prison.

He has a right to put on a defense and call as many witnesses as he would like.

MOO

And as any good attorney--whether defense or prosecution--knows juries get tired and bored. Especially sequestered juries. When one side or the other stretches on for days and weeks, jurors start to feel resentful of that side. If the defense were to go twice as long as the state, you're going to risk really prejudicing the jury against you.....at that point they are tired, they have no idea when the trial is going to be over, and they want to be done.

Yes, RA has the right...but that doesn't mean his lawyers shouldn't be highly strategic in their choices.
 
Just because the state says it was a sexually motivated, whether or not it took place, does not make it so. Can’t wait to see how they prove that. JMO
I will guess finding a nude child, a redressed child and missing underwear would probably equal sexual motivation?
 
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IANAL, but I get the impression the defense team is trying to intimidate some prosecution witnesses by calling them. They may also try to impugn their credibility. Make their testimony seem less reliable.

JMO, it could backfire for the defense. Doesn't seem like a good idea.

BTW, witnesses don't have a choice about whether they want to testify for the defense or prosecution. If they're called, they have to do it. If they're prosecution witnesses, testifying for the defense doesn't mean they agree with them. They may not have a choice.
100000%, I get this same exact feeling. I do hope that if they do end up calling MP, they do any questioning in the most respectful manner. At this point I don't care who wins points, the emotional damage to the families from having to be grilled for something that happened TO them, crosses a line for me.

All MOO
 
SA was always the motive and murder was the only outcome, interrupted or not. We have seen how much his wife and family matter to him. It's a tale as old as time...SA and kill to try and get away with it. Doug Carter said at the 2019 PC "A question to you: What will those closest to you think of you when they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls? Two children!" The two little girls were most likely forced to do some horrific things and stripped in 45 degree weather in front of a predatory man. I think this defense team is gross for the Franks memorandum and leaked crime scene photos. I can't wait to see RA found guilty.
 
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Not all sexual assault leaves traces that would be observable to a medical examiner. Sexual assault could be fondling/groping as well, and sexual assault of that kind isn't likely to leave evidence behind. The fact that the girl's were made to undress is unfortunately indicative that they suffered sexual assault before they were murdered. JMO.
So well put.

**Apologies - Graphic**

You don't need to use your imagination to read a description of the crime scene and conclude that this was sexual assault.

Touching a naked child with a blade to take their life, is sexual assault of the highest order IMO. And that's without the mental torture of ordering them, watching them undress. If that's not SA then what is it?

Again, apologies for the graphic words, but this is the core, the horror of this crime.

All MOO
 
100000%, I get this same exact feeling. I do hope that if they do end up calling MP, they do any questioning in the most respectful manner. At this point I don't care who wins points, the emotional damage to the families from having to be grilled for something that happened TO them, crosses a line for me.

All MOO
Making family members testify would really backfire on the defense team, JMO. Perhaps they just want to have them on the witness list to imply something. That also may not win points with the jury.
 
Just because the state says it was a sexually motivated, whether or not it took place, does not make it so. Can’t wait to see how they prove that. JMO
Agreed, I would hope the prosecution can back up a sadistic sexual murderer with some sort of evidence, possibly in RA’s past or internet search history? Although we haven’t heard anything of that sort yet.

JMO
 
oh no not even close and then they put the defendant on the stand and he did horribly and made it so very easy for the jury. All they had to do was decide if they believed him and his story was not believable.

I don't think there is any chance that RA will take the stand in this case, but I wish he would.
He might confess again, though. The D can't take any chances.

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What’s the significance of the color green?
My best guess is color psychology.


Those with Green color personality strengths tend to be perfectionistic, analytical, conceptual, cool, calm, inventive and logical. They seek knowledge and understanding as well as always looking for explanations and answers.

Greens can be good researchers – looking for facts and asking lots of questions. Greens have a large vocabulary and can argue both sides of an issue. Often, Greens take the time to concentrate and give correct answers. Greens like mind games that challenge their thinking.
 
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Not all sexual assault leaves traces that would be observable to a medical examiner. Sexual assault could be fondling/groping as well, and sexual assault of that kind isn't likely to leave evidence behind. The fact that the girl's were made to undress is unfortunately indicative that they suffered sexual assault before they were murdered. JMO.
I agree with you, although this doesn’t get around the girls not being shot.

IMO
 
He might confess again, though. The D can't take any chances.

And @justtrish , it hasn't escaped everyone's notice that your little emblem there showing it's you posting-- you know, it's very bright green. And I don't like it. And I'm not alone in that sentiment.

Just putting that out there. (@Melted, you too may want to take note of this.)
Well I do like Green, but I love Pink.. wonder what that says about me? I am not even sure how things got green on my emblem.. I am guessing the J is for Just Trish, but the green.. is that random? I don't think I picked it.
 
I am not sure if we are allowed to share the family's SM public messages, but if you are following BP, she posted the most heartwrenching, gorgeous words regarding her feelings and concerns and hopes, regarding the start of the trial.

I don't know how anyone will make it through a single day with their eyes dry.

I wish the families strength, and that they feel the glow of the so so so much love and support from their communities and all of us, the countless strangers online who wish for their torment to soften.

Justice for Abby and Libby; we keep saying these words, and yet they never lose their meaning for me.

jmo
It made me cry. It was heart wrenching.

I feel so badly for the families. Sigh…
 
100000%, I get this same exact feeling. I do hope that if they do end up calling MP, they do any questioning in the most respectful manner. At this point I don't care who wins points, the emotional damage to the families from having to be grilled for something that happened TO them, crosses a line for me.

All MOO
Exactly like they’d better have a darn good reason for calling him and any other family members on their list. That’s separate from the opportunity to cross examine right?
 
I agree with you, although this doesn’t get around the girls not being shot.

IMO

The fact that the girls weren’t shot does not get past the fact that RA put himself on the bridge at the right time, dressed in the right clothes and nobody, including his defense team, has been able to remove him yet.
Also, sworn testimony at the three-day hearing impeached the defense’s claim that RA said he shot them.
 
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