VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #213

[steeltowngirl]

The fact he described the other group of girls even though he was head down and not seeming to want to be noticed.. he said they looked like or something like this... one appeared to be babysitting. It's disturbing now to know he was out looking for victims so did he conclude there were too many of them... too young since one seemed to be babysitting? Too risky due to the location? IMO

I will bet he was waiting for a victim(s) that would go out on the bridge so he could get them down that hill and out of sight from the main trail.

jmo

 

[Tortoise]

Rozzi brings up the forensic examination Oberg did of the cartridge found at the scene. He says Oberg’s testing did not show “sufficient agreement” between the cartridge that was found and the cartridge that was tested.

He says the photos from the cartridge testing should be the main thing the jury is stressed by, because there isn’t agreement.

Rozzi says Oberg told them “you should just believe me.” He says the state did not have the cartridge re-examined because Oberg’s work was “so horrid.”

Delphi Murders trial: Day 18 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with closing arguments from both prosecution and defense. Jury will decide the fate of suspect Richard Allen.

wishtv.com

 

[tlcya]

in his closing statements Rozzi says that Brad Weber’s gun could not be excluded as the one that cycled the cartridge found at the scene.
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But during cross-examination, Mullin revealed that Weber’s gun was collected and tested but wasn’t found to be a match for the unspent round found between the girls’ bodies.
https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delp...ttime-search-for-girls-and-lack-of-sightings/

Oberg said it wasn’t just her findings either that linked Allen’s gun to the round found at the crime scene. Oberg’s work was reviewed by a second examiner who was not told Oberg’s conclusion but verified her results.
[snip]
During Oberg’s testimony, it was also revealed that Allen’s Sig Saur hadn’t been the only gun tested as a possible match for the crime scene bullet. Eight total guns have been tested in the case, including three guns in 2017 and four sent to a lab in August 2022 — around the same time police were searching the Wabash River.
https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delp...toolmark-methodology-unspent-bullet-evidence/

 

[joe jones]

Defense still hasn't ( can't) take RA OFF the bridge and ordering 2 young teenagers DTH.

All they are doing is dissing on the Prosecuting team, Dissing on the witnesses.

They have yet to remove RA and Prove he was somewhere else.

JMO

There was no evidence presented at trial of RA ordering girls down the hill, RA himself admits he was on bridge so that's true,
There was state supposition that BG ordered girls down the hill, but no independent proof that anybody identified RÀ as BG

 

[Tortoise]

He tells the jury that Allen’s situation in this case is “unprecedented,” referring to Allen being in solitary confinement.

He says Allen was treated like a convicted murderer. Allen nods in agreement in the court room.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 18 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with closing arguments from both prosecution and defense. Jury will decide the fate of suspect Richard Allen.

wishtv.com

 

[Vern]

True. Am sure the most convincing bullet expert is what any of them would lean towards, however, some may weigh up both experts arguments if critical thinking is involved.

JMO MOO JMT

I'm thinking that the most convincing expert on the bullet would be the one who actually looked at, dealt with and tested the evidence ...

Not the dude who simply looked at a couple of photos and didn't think that seeing the actual physical evidence was important.

IMO.

 

[Tortoise]

Rozzi tells the jury that Allen was “immediately placed on suicide watch, everyone would have a breakdown under those circumstances.”

He says Allen was in solitary confinement for 13 months. He asks “how much can one human endure?”

Rozzi says it was insulting that the state did not want the jury to see video of Allen in Westville. He says Allen was not faking it and even Dr. Wala and Dr. Martin said they weren’t sure he was faking it.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 18 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with closing arguments from both prosecution and defense. Jury will decide the fate of suspect Richard Allen.

wishtv.com

 

[Tortoise]

Is he assuming only someone who is innocent would develop psychosis?

 

[Mitch1]

There was no evidence presented at trial of RA ordering girls down the hill, RA himself admits he was on bridge so that's true,
There was state supposition that BG ordered girls down the hill, but no independent proof that anybody identified RÀ as BG

Indeed, IMO bc no one saw BG on the trails or bridge except Abby and Libby

 

[Tortoise]

He says the Indiana Department of Correction’s medical standard was to keep Allen alive.

Rozzi tells the jury, “you should be insulted.”

Delphi Murders trial: Day 18 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with closing arguments from both prosecution and defense. Jury will decide the fate of suspect Richard Allen.

wishtv.com

 

[tlcya]

Rozzi tells the jury that Allen was “immediately placed on suicide watch, everyone would have a breakdown under those circumstances.”

He says Allen was in solitary confinement for 13 months. He asks “how much can one human endure?”

Rozzi says it was insulting that the state did not want the jury to see video of Allen in Westville. He says Allen was not faking it and even Dr. Wala and Dr. Martin said they weren’t sure he was faking it.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 18 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with closing arguments from both prosecution and defense. Jury will decide the fate of suspect Richard Allen.

wishtv.com

the B&UBM - which certainly implies they suspected he was faking it. MOO

 

[Vern]

SBM

It is certainly true that the video is not very sharp and clear, but IMO it is infinitely helpful.

It rules IN a man whom I believe strongly resembles RA. It very helpfully rules OUT what otherwise would be complete guesswork——it clearly depicts BG enough to know that it is a male, not a person of color, not a group of men together, not wearing clothing unlike what RA said he wore.

It also affords us audio. We hear his voice, and LE and court have heard snippets of the girls speaking, as well. This helps in identification and in determining how near BG was to the girls, and where he commanded them to go.

IMO then the video is a treasure and I applaud Libby’s wherewithal to record him as best she could.

Is it just me or does anyone else ever get the impression that Abby & Libby should be expected to apologize for 'the quality' of their video by some??

Unreal.

These girls have directly captured their killer and, IMO, will succeed in seeing his undoing.

 

[Tealgrove]

This could also explain the mark on her face.

And chaotically. Blood on the trunks of trees. Pools of blood. Libby in motion.

Just horrible.

 

[arielilane]

@SamJohnsonNews

Lines are already forming outside the #CarrollCounty Courthouse to get inside the courtroom on FRIDAY.
Keep in mind: there are a very limited number of public seats. First come, first serve.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854575336458944803

 

[detectivewannab]

Just tuning in on this case again, I have a a question I wonder if a kind would care to answer:
- If the suspect brought and used a gun (bullet found), why kill the girls with a different weapon (knife)? A perpetrator usually have a preference of weapon, and a Gun or a Knife are vastly different in its proximity to a victim and MO. If the accused R.A was "spooked" the most rational thing would be to end their lives with the weapon he already had in hand to coerce them (since it had worked prior), "not to challenge the situation" and switch to something that takes 1). more time 2). more mess 3). harder to control the other person waiting to be attacked.

And then, having time to discard of clothing and redressing one of victim. It is not consistent with a person that is "spooked", not having the time to SA, but time to murder . yet staying a prolonged time at the scene?

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A gun can be heard is why he switched.

 

[Davemac1]

Prosecution are stating they questioned KA. But I thought she was bought on just to sit beside Allen for support?
I really wouldn't call that questioning? They never asked her separately to account for her and his whereabouts before and after the event as far as I'm aware?

On further thought, they really didn't need to call her to the stand.
Of the very few words we've heard Kathy Allen utter in video at testimony, it is my view she has managed to help incriminate her husband.
"You told me you didn't go on the bridge that day"

Surprised the prosecution didn't push that little nugget a bit.

 

[photographer4]

That assumes that there was someone there at that moment to hear it.

If BW was home, having gone straight home from work such that he spooked RA, wouldn't HE have been there to hear it??

 

[katydid23]

In closing: Rozzi says Weber had sticks in his garage and the state did not mention that. He brings up Weber’s account changed from Feb. 13.

Wow. Close the case!.
Why are they putting the family through this nonsense??

I knew they were going to try and blame this on Weber. Weak, imo. Weber was not on that bridge. How'd he end up with the girls?

 

[Bergmann]

$4m and counting and a very unsatisfactory trial that IMO should never have been brought before the court given the sheer paucity of evidence and deep flaws in the original and ongoing investigation.

THE PROSECUTOR HAS FAILED TO PROVE RA IS BRIDGE GUY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT

He has failed to prove the very basics that:

1. Bridge guy perpetrated the kidnapping
2. Bridge guy was in possession of a gun
3. Bridge guy said the words “down the hill”
4. Bridge guy was involved in the crime
5. RA is “bridge guy”

What he has proved is:

1. No witness’s description of “Bridge Guy” is the same
2. The descriptions of “Bridge Guy” (young, muscular, taller than they are, “beautiful,” long blond hair, poofy hair, wearing a mask, in all black, in a blue jean jacket, in a blue jacket, without blue eyes, in a tan coat, etc. etc.) do not describe RA
3. No witness actually identified RA in court as the person they saw on the trail that day
4. Bridge guy is not discernable in the actual, unenhanced video
5. The enhanced video may not actually reflect Bridge guy’s weight, height, or facial features because AI was used to interpolate the missing pixels
6. RA did not place himself on the trail in Bridge Guy’s clothing that day (RA never said he was wearing a blue jacket, boots, and hat that day (interview clearly states black jacket, sneakers, and that he carried a hat in his pocket, so maybe))
7. SC’s recollection has changed over the years (from tan to blue jacket; from muddy to bloody)
8. It is improbable that SC would see both a bloody, muddy man and the distraught German family at the Mears Entrance without the Germans also noticing the “bloody, muddy man.” Furthermore, Hoosier Harvest Store video does not corroborate her testimony.

ALL MOO

 

[katydid23]

If BW was home, having gone straight home from work such that he spooked RA, wouldn't HE have been there to hear it??

He was inside his house, probably with music or tv on. Maybe took a shower after work? No reason to believe he'd hear anything.

Besides, both girls had their throats slit quickly. How are they going to scream?