VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #213

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Furthermore IMO the prosecution failures extend even more to the fundamentals of basic case work

THE PROSECUTOR HAS FAILED TO PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT THAT RA WAS AT THE TRAIL AT THE TIME OF THE VIDEO

He has failed to prove that:
  1. RA was at the trail at the time of the crime
  2. That RA’s car was parked at the CPS building
  3. RA’s presence is corroborated by both witness testimony and Hoosier Harvest Store Video
What he has proved:
  1. There is a clear possibility that RA was on the trail earlier in the day
  2. No one remembered seeing a Ford Focus at the CPS building or anywhere else in the vicinity of the trails
  3. Mullin’s testimony cannot be relied upon
  4. RA clearly told Mullin that he would have driven from town to the trails (the opposite direction than seen on the video)
  5. The video that Mullin proposed was RA’s car is (1) unable to be clearly identified as a 2016 Ford Focus; (2) is not unique; and (3) is far enough away that the driver or tag cannot be clearly seen
  6. That if it were in fact RA’s car, the time stamp on the video would indicate the time in which he left the trail rather than the time he arrived

ALL MOO
 
katydid23 said:
He was inside his house, probably with music or tv on. Maybe took a shower after work? No reason to believe he'd hear anything.

Besides, both girls had their throats slit quickly. How are they going to scream?
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Right? Duh?

It’s like victim blaming. “Well, they didn’t scream.”

You try screaming as your blood is streaming from your neck and you’re losing consciousness.

What an asinine thing to say.
 
photographer4 said:
If BW was home, having gone straight home from work such that he spooked RA, wouldn't HE have been there to hear it??
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I don't know what he would be able to hear inside his house from the other side of the creek. Or how loud the scream was. Or what the wind conditions were. Or how dense the trees were in that landscape. Or if he had something like a TV on... etc. Impossible to reconstruct. IMO
 
Rozzi says Allen was having false memories during some of the confessions. He says the state lied about Libby’s phone. Rozzi says someone was using the phone between 5:45 p.m. and 10:32 p.m. on Feb. 13. He said someone plugged something into it during that time.

He says “there’s no explanation because the phone is right.”

Rozzi tells the jury there is no trace evidence that connects Allen to the crime scene. He said that Dr. Polly Westcott, a neuropsychologist, said that Dr. Wala’s notes read more like a story, despite Allen being psychotic and not coherent.

He says the state was desperate to make the sound in the Bridge Guy video the sound of a handgun racking.

Rozzi tells the jury there is a question as to if the girls’ bodies were at the scene during the evening of Feb. 13, 2017.

He says the Smith and Wesson cartridge found in the memory box is a very common brand.

Rozzi says Allen found God because he was in a cell alone with only a bible but that’s not why he confessed.

Rozzi tells the jury that there are five components for the jury to keep in mind:

  1. Nobody identified Allen as Bridge Guy.
  2. No digital data connects Allen to the crime.
  3. No clothing connects Allen.
  4. No DNA connects Allen.
  5. No trace material connects Allen.
Rozzi acknowledges the girls’ families. He says this has been a long journey.

Rozzi says “at the end of the day the state’s timeline has crumbled, the magic bullet is nothing more than a tragic bullet.”

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photographer4 said:
To me the bigger problem is either the state's "expert" is that incompetent and did not bother to check the device for water or dirt, OR he did look for and knew there was no water or dirt in the port, but NM didn't ask about it because he didn't want the jury to know there was no such damage because lack of such damage screws up his timeline, and excludes RA based on the State's timeline.

"Cecil was asked if he examined Libby’s phone for water damage. He said it did not. He was asked if dirt was on the phone when it was found. He said he did not know." (bold and italics added by me). - https://fox59.com/news/delphi-murde...d-into-libbys-phone-removed-in-dead-of-night/

So yeah no, not buying that water triggered the headphone connection alert on the software. This is a critical failure on part of the State imo. They had the evidence to know that their timeline was incorrect and imo tried to hide it from the jury.
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Or the defense witness - who has apparently not had training in 15 years, has never testified before about cell phone extractions and required 80 hours to prepare for very basic testimony at a cost of $24,000 - said something outlandishly incorrect.

That’s also a very real possibility.

JMO
 
More conclusions IMO of the failure of the state to bring a very ill judged case.

THE PROSECUTOR HAS FAILED TO PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT THAT A GUN WAS USED IN THE CRIME

He has failed to prove:
  1. That Bridge Guy possessed a gun
  2. That a gun was used in the perpetration of the crime
What he has proved:
  1. There is no video image that shows a gun
  2. The sound on the video was manipulated by investigators trying to make out what was heard
  3. That the girls did not indicate there was a gun (only Liggett could hear the words)
  4. No gun could be heard being “racked” in the video
  5. The girls suffered no bullet wounds
  6. No one heard any shots fired during the state’s timeline
He has failed to prove:
  1. The bullet found at the scene could only be related to the crime (with no other explanation for why a bullet may have been there before the crime)
  2. The bullet found at the scene could only be linked with RA’s firearm to the exclusion of all others
What he has proved:
  1. Police officers carried similar ammunition on the scene
  2. There are no DNA or fingerprints from the bullet linking it to the girls or RA
  3. That replication of the action of cycling a round through RA’s gun would make the marks found on the bullet at the scene
  4. That the state tested BW’s Sig Sauer and was unable to exclude it as the source of the bullet
ALL MOO
 
Tortoise said:
Is he assuming only someone who is innocent would develop psychosis?
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Good point. Surely a man who killed two girls, doomed to a life behind bars, worried about losing the love of his wife, sister, mother, and daughter would have some issues. Mental health problems are not a sure sign of innocence.

jmo
 
katydid23 said:
I know they were going to try and blame this on Weber. Weak, imo. Weber was not on that bridge. How'd he end up with the girls?
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The REAL BG delivered the girls to BW who swooped them away to a creepy group that used LGs phone.
Then that group did sacrificial things, returned the girls to BW who covered the CS with sticks and kept several as keepsakes in his garage :rolleyes:

I mean, it's obvious.

If this scenario seems ridiculous, that's because it is.

It didn't happen, but if we keep spinning it, surely this jury will see it.(Total sarcasm)

I believe that the jury will see through all of this and find RA guilty.

JMO
 
Rozzi shows the jury a photo a rack, a medieval torture device. He shows a photo of a thumbscrew. He says these tools are not far from what Allen experienced in solitary confinement.

Rozzi says these tools are still used, they’ve just evolved.

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And most egregiously IMO, he failed to land his trump card as he saw it.

THE PROSECUTOR HAS FAILED TO PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT THAT ANY ‘CONFESSIONS’ WERE CREDIBLE

He has failed to prove:
  1. RA freely confessed to committing the murders
  2. RA’s “confessions” included details that only the killer would know
  3. RA’s “confessions” could be corroborated by evidence at the scene
What he has proved:
  1. RA adamantly proclaimed his innocence prior to incarceration
  2. No one came forward following his arrest saying that he had ever confided his role in the crime in the five years between its commission and his arrest
  3. No evidence linking him to the crime was found on any of his digital devices or in his home
  4. That BW gave conflicting statements about his arrival home on 2/13
  5. That his prison psychologist likely engaged in unethical practices by sharing information of public sentiment from the many social media communities she belonged to
  6. That his treatment in prison was detrimental to his mental health
  7. That he was repeatedly dosed with psychotropic medication
  8. That none of his “confessions” were specific
  9. Conflicting testimony between guards, psychologists, psychiatrists, ISP investigators, and the prosecution makes the reliability of their testimony suspect

ALL MOO
 
Bergmann said:
More conclusions IMO of the failure of the state to bring a very ill judged case.

THE PROSECUTOR HAS FAILED TO PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT THAT A GUN WAS USED IN THE CRIME

He has failed to prove:
  1. That Bridge Guy possessed a gun
  2. That a gun was used in the perpetration of the crime
What he has proved:
  1. There is no video image that shows a gun
  2. The sound on the video was manipulated by investigators trying to make out what was heard
  3. That the girls did not indicate there was a gun (only Liggett could hear the words)
  4. No gun could be heard being “racked” in the video
  5. The girls suffered no bullet wounds
  6. No one heard any shots fired during the state’s timeline
He has failed to prove:
  1. The bullet found at the scene could only be related to the crime (with no other explanation for why a bullet may have been there before the crime)
  2. The bullet found at the scene could only be linked with RA’s firearm to the exclusion of all others
What he has proved:
  1. Police officers carried similar ammunition on the scene
  2. There are no DNA or fingerprints from the bullet linking it to the girls or RA
  3. That replication of the action of cycling a round through RA’s gun would make the marks found on the bullet at the scene
  4. That the state tested BW’s Sig Sauer and was unable to exclude it as the source of the bullet
ALL MOO
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BBM

These claims are false.

JMO
 
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"Rozzi says Oberg told them “you should just believe me.” He says the state did not have the cartridge re-examined because Oberg’s work was “so horrid.”"

But yet, the defense's own expert did not request to examine the actual bullet or gun, instead of photos, because "“my role here was to educate attorneys on what documentation was and see if it supported the concession.” When jurors asked if his analysis could have been more conclusive by actually replicating the tests/doing the analysis himself, he replied it was “hard to say.”

And their phone expert could have request to examine the phone itself as well, but did not.
 
Bergmann said:
More conclusions IMO of the failure of the state to bring a very ill judged case.

THE PROSECUTOR HAS FAILED TO PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT THAT A GUN WAS USED IN THE CRIME

He has failed to prove:
  1. That Bridge Guy possessed a gun
  2. That a gun was used in the perpetration of the crime
What he has proved:
  1. There is no video image that shows a gun
  2. The sound on the video was manipulated by investigators trying to make out what was heard
  3. That the girls did not indicate there was a gun (only Liggett could hear the words)
  4. No gun could be heard being “racked” in the video
  5. The girls suffered no bullet wounds
  6. No one heard any shots fired during the state’s timeline
He has failed to prove:
  1. The bullet found at the scene could only be related to the crime (with no other explanation for why a bullet may have been there before the crime)
  2. The bullet found at the scene could only be linked with RA’s firearm to the exclusion of all others
What he has proved:
  1. Police officers carried similar ammunition on the scene
  2. There are no DNA or fingerprints from the bullet linking it to the girls or RA
  3. That replication of the action of cycling a round through RA’s gun would make the marks found on the bullet at the scene
  4. That the state tested BW’s Sig Sauer and was unable to exclude it as the source of the bullet
ALL MOO
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“Police officers carried similar ammunition on the scene”

9 mm is similar to .40 cal only in being slightly smaller. The cops at the scene had 9s per the P’s summation being reported today.
 
Tortoise said:
Rozzi shows the jury a photo a rack, a medieval torture device. He shows a photo of a thumbscrew. He says these tools are not far from what Allen experienced in solitary confinement.

Rozzi says these tools are still used, they’ve just evolved.

wishtv.com

Delphi Murders trial: Day 18 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with closing arguments from both prosecution and defense. Jury will decide the fate of suspect Richard Allen.
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Is he purposefully trying to sink their case?
 
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