VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #213

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In conclusion, IMO the prosecutor and LE would have served the public better by using the $4.4m they wasted on this flawed prosecution, into properly investigating the crime and by following the evidence rather than manipulating and selecting it to try to convict RA.

The imprisonment, solitary confinement and drugs to co-erce confessions IMO are unforgivable.

ALL MOO
 
Rozzi shows four photos of Allen in prison. In the photos he is covered in feces and being dragged while wearing a spit hood.

News 8’s Kyla Russell says while the photos are shown, Allen looks away. His wife Kathy is crying.

Rozzi says “rendering a verdict of guilt could be endorsing this behavior.”

Rozzi asks the jury to set Allen free.

He is finished at 12 p.m. after speaking for an hour and 17 minutes.

 
$4m and counting and a very unsatisfactory trial that IMO should never have been brought before the court given the sheer paucity of evidence and deep flaws in the original and ongoing investigation.

THE PROSECUTOR HAS FAILED TO PROVE RA IS BRIDGE GUY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT

He has failed to prove the very basics that:
  1. Bridge guy perpetrated the kidnapping
  2. Bridge guy was in possession of a gun
  3. Bridge guy said the words “down the hill”
  4. Bridge guy was involved in the crime
  5. RA is “bridge guy”
What he has proved is:
  1. No witness’s description of “Bridge Guy” is the same
  2. The descriptions of “Bridge Guy” (young, muscular, taller than they are, “beautiful,” long blond hair, poofy hair, wearing a mask, in all black, in a blue jean jacket, in a blue jacket, without blue eyes, in a tan coat, etc. etc.) do not describe RA
  3. No witness actually identified RA in court as the person they saw on the trail that day
  4. Bridge guy is not discernable in the actual, unenhanced video
  5. The enhanced video may not actually reflect Bridge guy’s weight, height, or facial features because AI was used to interpolate the missing pixels
  6. RA did not place himself on the trail in Bridge Guy’s clothing that day (RA never said he was wearing a blue jacket, boots, and hat that day (interview clearly states black jacket, sneakers, and that he carried a hat in his pocket, so maybe))
  7. SC’s recollection has changed over the years (from tan to blue jacket; from muddy to bloody)
  8. It is improbable that SC would see both a bloody, muddy man and the distraught German family at the Mears Entrance without the Germans also noticing the “bloody, muddy man.” Furthermore, Hoosier Harvest Store video does not corroborate her testimony.

ALL MOO

Did the State lay theirs out in a similar way?

Just asking...

JMO MOO JMT
 
Good point. Surely a man who killed two girls, doomed to a life behind bars, worried about losing the love of his wife, sister, mother, and daughter would have some issues. Mental health problems are not a sure sign of innocence.

jmo
RA reportedly curled up in a ball and cried while working at Walmart. I have no doubt that realizing he was finally caught and they had the evidence, sent him into a mental tailspin.

jmo
 
Rozzi shows the jury a photo a rack, a medieval torture device. He shows a photo of a thumbscrew. He says these tools are not far from what Allen experienced in solitary confinement.

Rozzi says these tools are still used, they’ve just evolved.

:rolleyes:
that's a bit over the top----a medieval torture rack?
 
In conclusion, IMO the prosecutor and LE would have served the public better by using the $4.4m they wasted on this flawed prosecution, into properly investigating the crime and by following the evidence rather than manipulating and selecting it to try to convict RA.

The imprisonment, solitary confinement and drugs to co-erce confessions IMO are unforgivable.

ALL MOO
Okay
 
Weber had sticks in his garage?! Are they trying to say Weber brought some sticks from his garage and used them to cover up the bodies? What in the world is going on right now.
LOL-- Just another Rozzi fantasy theory.

trying to create doubt, even if false,

because They have NOTHING ELSE.
 
In conclusion, IMO the prosecutor and LE would have served the public better by using the $4.4m they wasted on this flawed prosecution, into properly investigating the crime and by following the evidence rather than manipulating and selecting it to try to convict RA.

The imprisonment, solitary confinement and drugs to co-erce confessions IMO are unforgivable.

ALL MOO
Did he not confess both in and out of solitary and also on and off medication?
 
In conclusion, IMO the prosecutor and LE would have served the public better by using the $4.4m they wasted on this flawed prosecution, into properly investigating the crime and by following the evidence rather than manipulating and selecting it to try to convict RA.

The imprisonment, solitary confinement and drugs to co-erce confessions IMO are unforgivable.

ALL MOO

Haldol isn't used to coerce confessions.

It's used when an inmate or a patient won't stop self harming like banging their face or head into the walls until they are bruised and swollen or telling their therapist they want to kill themselves and are thinking of jumping off their cell toilet to try to land wrong and break their neck (all things RA did).
 
$4m and counting and a very unsatisfactory trial that IMO should never have been brought before the court given the sheer paucity of evidence and deep flaws in the original and ongoing investigation.

THE PROSECUTOR HAS FAILED TO PROVE RA IS BRIDGE GUY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT

He has failed to prove the very basics that:
  1. Bridge guy perpetrated the kidnapping
  2. Bridge guy was in possession of a gun
  3. Bridge guy said the words “down the hill”
  4. Bridge guy was involved in the crime
  5. RA is “bridge guy”
What he has proved is:
  1. No witness’s description of “Bridge Guy” is the same
  2. The descriptions of “Bridge Guy” (young, muscular, taller than they are, “beautiful,” long blond hair, poofy hair, wearing a mask, in all black, in a blue jean jacket, in a blue jacket, without blue eyes, in a tan coat, etc. etc.) do not describe RA
  3. No witness actually identified RA in court as the person they saw on the trail that day
  4. Bridge guy is not discernable in the actual, unenhanced video
  5. The enhanced video may not actually reflect Bridge guy’s weight, height, or facial features because AI was used to interpolate the missing pixels
  6. RA did not place himself on the trail in Bridge Guy’s clothing that day (RA never said he was wearing a blue jacket, boots, and hat that day (interview clearly states black jacket, sneakers, and that he carried a hat in his pocket, so maybe))
  7. SC’s recollection has changed over the years (from tan to blue jacket; from muddy to bloody)
  8. It is improbable that SC would see both a bloody, muddy man and the distraught German family at the Mears Entrance without the Germans also noticing the “bloody, muddy man.” Furthermore, Hoosier Harvest Store video does not corroborate her testimony.

ALL MOO
Not believing that BG is the killer, that the voice isn't his, and that he wasn't even involved in the crime, is a non-starter as far as a logical discussion goes.

That's like trying to have a conversation about space exploration and someone saying "we didn't land on the moon."
 
I don't know what he would be able to hear inside his house from the other side of the creek. Or how loud the scream was. Or what the wind conditions were. Or how dense the trees were in that landscape. Or if he had something like a TV on... etc. Impossible to reconstruct. IMO
Did anyone ask him if he heard screams? Not moo - asking. May have missed it.
 
Did anyone ask him if he heard screams? Not moo - asking. May have missed it.

When asked what he did when he got home, Weber said he took a nap.

“Can you hear screams of someone on your property?” Baldwin asked.

“If outside, I would,” Weber answered.

When asked if he heard any screams that day, Weber said no.

Weber said he was woken up by police officers asking to search his property for the missing girls. He let them search the area.
 
Rozzi says Allen was having false memories during some of the confessions. He says the state lied about Libby’s phone. Rozzi says someone was using the phone between 5:45 p.m. and 10:32 p.m. on Feb. 13. He said someone plugged something into it during that time.

He says “there’s no explanation because the phone is right.”

Rozzi tells the jury there is no trace evidence that connects Allen to the crime scene. He said that Dr. Polly Westcott, a neuropsychologist, said that Dr. Wala’s notes read more like a story, despite Allen being psychotic and not coherent.

He says the state was desperate to make the sound in the Bridge Guy video the sound of a handgun racking.

Rozzi tells the jury there is a question as to if the girls’ bodies were at the scene during the evening of Feb. 13, 2017.

He says the Smith and Wesson cartridge found in the memory box is a very common brand.

Rozzi says Allen found God because he was in a cell alone with only a bible but that’s not why he confessed.

Rozzi tells the jury that there are five components for the jury to keep in mind:

  1. Nobody identified Allen as Bridge Guy.
  2. No digital data connects Allen to the crime.
  3. No clothing connects Allen.
  4. No DNA connects Allen.
  5. No trace material connects Allen.
Rozzi acknowledges the girls’ families. He says this has been a long journey.

Rozzi says “at the end of the day the state’s timeline has crumbled, the magic bullet is nothing more than a tragic bullet.”

I think Rozzi cooked his goose claiming the phone was in use and the bodies moved. The blood shows they were killed and not moved far (Libby was dragged) that doesn't make sense and makes everything he says unbelievable.
 
Before court begins, News 8’s Kyla Russell reports that defense attorney Andrew Baldwin writes “Rick” on a coffee cup and gives it to Allen. Normally Allen gets a coffee from the courthouse but today Baldwin has purchased one from a local shop.

That made me lol. I hope it didn't sway the jury.
 
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