VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #213

[steeltowngirl]

that's a bit over the top----a medieval torture rack?

Over the top and vile. The jury saw the true victims of torture in the crime scene photos. Libby and Abby with their throats cut open.

 

[gremlin444]

that's a bit over the top----a medieval torture rack?

Well, he can't risk offending a jury member by using his previous prisoner of war comparison when someone might have a relative who has experienced this. He's probably pretty safe that no one is going to have a direct association with medieval torture devices.

 

[shonyakay]

The State delivered on everything they said in their opening and the defense... well.... didn't.

 

[Inthedetails]

that's a bit over the top----a medieval torture rack?

I agree. The thing is, his treatment behind bars does warrant looking into. But to compare it to a medieval torture rack sounds overly dramatic and makes everything else they say questionable too. I think the defense treated the jury like they are unsophisticated and gullible, and I don't think that will be appreciated. The jury isn't a youtube audience looking for sensational angles on the case.

jmo

 

[MiniMoo]

Not believing that BG is the killer, that the voice isn't his, and that he wasn't even involved in the crime, is a non-starter as far as a logical discussion goes.

That's like trying to have a conversation about space exploration and someone saying "we didn't land on the moon."

2 seconds - 2 seconds of a voice only.

It isn't really enough to analyse or recognise and especially if it has been technically or electronically enhanced.

In the 5 years it circulated not one person stepped forward to a point a finger at anyone.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[Inthedetails]

1:40 p.m. The case has gone to the jury and the jury is currently in the process of choosing a foreman.​

Delphi Murders trial: Day 18 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with closing arguments from both prosecution and defense. Jury will decide the fate of suspect Richard Allen.

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Here we go.

 

[getthefax]

I will bet he was waiting for a victim(s) that would go out on the bridge so he could get them down that hill and out of sight from the main trail.

jmo

We know he “frequently foraged for mushrooms” in the area and went there often. For all we know, he’d been there waiting on more than one occasion, and this was the opportunity he decided to take.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he’d lurked there many times before, but only this once had the right opportunity or enough bravado to go through with it. MOO

 

[steeltowngirl]

Well, he can't risk offending a jury member by using his previous prisoner of war comparison when someone might have a relative who has experienced this. He's probably pretty safe that no one is going to have a direct association with medieval torture devices.

I’m still angry that the alleged POW photo ever made it to media. It was for show and released while a gag order was in place. Thank the defense and the Franks.

jmo

 

[MassGuy]

2 seconds - 2 seconds of a voice only.

It isn't really enough to analyse or recognise and especially if it has been technically or electronically enhanced.

In the 5 years it circulated not one person stepped forward to a point a finger at anyone.

JMO MOO JMT

That audio was of poor quality and it is simply too short to make a definitive conclusion of whose voice it is. That’s not the point though. The point is that audio came from the man in the video.

 

[rickstyles84]

Well, he can't risk offending a jury member by using his previous prisoner of war comparison when someone might have a relative who has experienced this. He's probably pretty safe that no one is going to have a direct association with medieval torture devices.

We keep them in the garage right next to the pile of ritualistic sticks where do other states keep theirs?

 

[arielilane]

1:40 P.M. THE CASE HAS GONE TO THE JURY AND THE JURY IS CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF CHOOSING A FOREMAN.​

Delphi Murders trial: Day 18 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with closing arguments from both prosecution and defense. Jury will decide the fate of suspect Richard Allen.

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[Megnut]

To me the bigger problem is either the state's "expert" is that incompetent and did not bother to check the device for water or dirt, OR he did look for and knew there was no water or dirt in the port, but NM didn't ask about it because he didn't want the jury to know there was no such damage because lack of such damage screws up his timeline, and excludes RA based on the State's timeline.

"Cecil was asked if he examined Libby’s phone for water damage. He said it did not. He was asked if dirt was on the phone when it was found. He said he did not know." (bold and italics added by me). - https://fox59.com/news/delphi-murde...d-into-libbys-phone-removed-in-dead-of-night/

So yeah no, not buying that water triggered the headphone connection alert on the software. This is a critical failure on part of the State imo. They had the evidence to know that their timeline was incorrect and imo tried to hide it from the jury.

Cecil had no reason to see or handle the phone.

Whoever collected the phone and entered it into evidence likely photographed it. Assuming it's still in an evidence locker, it may well still have blood and dirt on it unless it was cleaned up somewhere in the chain of custody for the purpose of analysis.

Cecil's testimony is authentic. He didn't know what the physical phone looked like. He didn't need to know that in order to perform his analysis. His focus was on the extracted data, made readable by Celubrite.

JMO

 

[Spartygirl]

Rozzi tells the jury Allen went to law enforcement after the murders in 2017 and was also cooperative in 2022.

He says Allen still cooperated after he knew he was a suspect.

Rozzi says “even through the face of lies, Allen stood strong.” He says Allen lived in the community and didn’t have a reason to leave because he didn’t do it.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 18 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with closing arguments from both prosecution and defense. Jury will decide the fate of suspect Richard Allen.

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If I were the jury, I would be asking,
"Well then, Where was he ??
What was he doing during that time frame?
Where is proof that he was somewhere else ??

D-Team is UNABLE to remove RA from the bridge/trails/Murders

RA=BG=Killer

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854598960842711483

 

[Myvice]

Or the defense witness - who has apparently not had training in 15 years, has never testified before about cell phone extractions and required 80 hours to prepare for very basic testimony at a cost of $24,000 - said something outlandishly incorrect.

That’s also a very real possibility.

JMO

It has always been my interpretation that the proseecution witness made a comment about not having the training the D witness had but it only took his 15 minute break to google and find out that moisture and dirt could have caused the problem. Maybe I read it wrong so just MOO.

 

[steeltowngirl]

From two of the lawyer youtubers. He said he had been napping and that he could have heard screams if he had been outside on the property.

RA would have told the girls not to scream or he’d kill them. And he did anyhow.

 

[rickstyles84]

We know he “frequently foraged for mushrooms” in the area and went there often. For all we know, he’d been there waiting on more than one occasion, and this was the opportunity he decided to take.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he’d lurked there many times before, but only this once had the right opportunity or enough bravado to go through with it. MOO

Have always hated the "mushroom hunting" explanation as anyone local knows March is the earliest with April being the best time. I have a hard time believing he was hunting in Feb.

 

[Tortoise]

[Prosecution rebuttal before the case went to the jury]

Court is back in session at 1:07 p.m.

McLeland begins his rebuttal to the defense’s closing argument.

He says it’s been a long 3 or 4 weeks, that now it is time to hand the case over to the jurors. He tells them “you’re in the driver’s seat.” “I’m not up here to tell you how to feel.”

McLeland says the defense did not back up their claims, that the prosecution has witnesses on the trail that day and that they simply reaffirm that Allen was there.

He tells the jury that witnesses after the murders on the high bridge do not matter.

McLeland points at Allen and says he used a gun to scare them. He says Libby had a “blood outline” of a tear on her face.

He tells the jury that Oberg’s testing was verified, that it links Allen to the crimes.

News 8’s Kyla Russell says Allen is extremely engaged and looking at Baldwin with disbelief.

McLeland says “words matter, why don’t Allen’s words matter?”

He says there are two victims in the case, Abby and Libby. He says “they are Allen’s victims. But they aren’t just victims, they are heroes.”

Delphi Murders trial: Day 18 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with closing arguments from both prosecution and defense. Jury will decide the fate of suspect Richard Allen.

wishtv.com

 

[getthefax]

2 seconds - 2 seconds of a voice only.

It isn't really enough to analyse or recognise and especially if it has been technically or electronically enhanced.

In the 5 years it circulated not one person stepped forward to a point a finger at anyone.

JMO MOO JMT

EBM for clarity.

That’s not true—for a long time there were tips called in all the time by people who thought various people were BG. They were checked out by the humans conducting an incredibly famous, sensational investigation. They did not pan out.

The (non-video) lead on RA was misplaced in the shuffle, but that actually means that the state investigated a whooooole lot of other leads and tips before rediscovering the info on RA and focusing in on his story (where he placed himself AT THE SCENE, which corroborated the stories of other witnesses and allowed folks to deduce that RA is BG).

MOO

 

[steeltowngirl]

Here we go.

Deliberations are underway.
Let’s do this, jury.