VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #213

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"Liberty German was a smart student who would’ve graduated a year early, an active teen who played volleyball, soccer, softball and swimming, and an adventurous spirit who "wanted to try anything once," her grandmother, Becky Patty, said during an emotional testimony. Her older sister, Kelsi Siebert, described her as a brave and outspoken teenager who would "absolutely" stand up to others. Libby also often hiked the Monon High Bridge trail and was never scared to cross the bridge, which is famous and intimidating for its height and the big gaps between the wooden steps."

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'Grandma, it will be OK': Family testifies as attorneys offer dueling narratives in Delphi trial

Opening statements and the first testimonies in the long-awaited trial of Richard Allen began Friday in Delphi
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joe jones said:
I think the BW theory is one that LE should have investigated, what RA is accused of doing is equally implausible and far more difficult than BW taking them on a road to his home
RA we are to believe took 2 girls down a steep embankment, they all 3 had to have been walking unhindered ie not tied up in any way as to get down the hill would be difficult, he had to get both girls to the same spot to cross the river, the stàtes theory is he has a gun, but in going down the hill it would have been difficult to have it pointed right at the girls at all times, once down the hill he had to get them to wade across the stream and up very muddy steep embankment the other side, all in broad daylight, out in the open, and with no idea how many people were out on the trails that afternoon, still in broad daylight (with the possibility anybody could have been hiking or walking in the area, or the landowner walking on his land) he had to get them both to take clothes off, AW testimony wasn't sure if she took off bras and vest but she took off everything below the waist, he then had to put gun in pocket or somewhere else, then get hold of one girl fatally wound her then do the same to the other in broad daylight, he then redressed one victim, and then in broad daylight left the scene on foot had to walk out onto a busy road to get to his car, he had to have been soaking wet from river and i expect he had blood on him, LG testimony revealed was able to assert herself and would stand up for herself, but nobody heard anything that day, RA testimony was he was a fragile egg, seems to be totally reliant on his wife, is small for a man, and his personality IMO doesn't feel as dominant where he could control two girls, even if at gunpoint, and then when he put gun away to get knife, he could have just shot them, two shots in quick succession may not have caused alarm especially with testimony that hunting happened at the crime scene, but they were not shot and he then proceeded to spend more time at scene where he could have been discovered
So all that versus someone taking them into his house (I'm not saying I think BW did it, I am just opining on the theories of what BW would have to have done versus the states theory of what RA has to do
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We can't believe RA did it who placed himself at the bridge but BW who physically could not be at the bridge at the time of the BG video is a suspect? Also his house was across the creek. Was he meant to have killed them in his house and then transported them back across the creek all before 5pm when LE came knocking at his door?

I think LE investigated a lot of people. RA is the only one who all the evidence pointed to.
 
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Prosecuting attorney Nicholas McLeland began by saying Feb. 13th is "a day this community will never forget."

“A day Abigail Williams and Liberty German were killed by Richard Allen."

McLeland talked about how "this type of thing doesn't happen in this small community."

He also discussed the search efforts on the afternoon and evening of February 13, before the jury was shown photos of the crime scene.

Jurors were shown photos of the girls dead bodies, and they also say the photo of Libby German's cell phone covered in water and dirt.

McLeland talked about cartridge found at the crime scene.

Much of the prosecution's closing arguments focused on the video Libby captured at 2:13 p.m.

The video, McLeland said, "the moment Abigail and Liberty were kidnapped."

He also told the jurors "something told Liberty to record this."


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joe jones said:
I think the BW theory is one that LE should have investigated, what RA is accused of doing is equally implausible and far more difficult than BW taking them on a road to his home
RA we are to believe took 2 girls down a steep embankment, they all 3 had to have been walking unhindered ie not tied up in any way as to get down the hill would be difficult, he had to get both girls to the same spot to cross the river, the stàtes theory is he has a gun, but in going down the hill it would have been difficult to have it pointed right at the girls at all times, once down the hill he had to get them to wade across the stream and up very muddy steep embankment the other side, all in broad daylight, out in the open, and with no idea how many people were out on the trails that afternoon, still in broad daylight (with the possibility anybody could have been hiking or walking in the area, or the landowner walking on his land) he had to get them both to take clothes off, AW testimony wasn't sure if she took off bras and vest but she took off everything below the waist, he then had to put gun in pocket or somewhere else, then get hold of one girl fatally wound her then do the same to the other in broad daylight, he then redressed one victim, and then in broad daylight left the scene on foot had to walk out onto a busy road to get to his car, he had to have been soaking wet from river and i expect he had blood on him, LG testimony revealed was able to assert herself and would stand up for herself, but nobody heard anything that day, RA testimony was he was a fragile egg, seems to be totally reliant on his wife, is small for a man, and his personality IMO doesn't feel as dominant where he could control two girls, even if at gunpoint, and then when he put gun away to get knife, he could have just shot them, two shots in quick succession may not have caused alarm especially with testimony that hunting happened at the crime scene, but they were not shot and he then proceeded to spend more time at scene where he could have been discovered
So all that versus someone taking them into his house (I'm not saying I think BW did it, I am just opining on the theories of what BW would have to have done versus the states theory of what RA has to do
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The exact moment the girls were abducted in documented with a time that is not in dispute.
The exact moment BW clocked out is documented and is not in dispute.
The exact distance from A to B is known and it is not possible he could leave location A and arrive at location B in time to abduct the girls.

Even with all that, he was investigated and he let them search his property, sheds, his house, his phone.. he did interviews and he was cleared.

All I am going to say about RA and the gun and being a small man not capable of doing what was done.. He is a very small man and a coward. He felt powerful with his gun and he waited until he could corner 2 children. I'm sure he felt like a big man doing that and IMO this is the only way he ever felt like a big man was by picking children. Also he didn't need to hold it to their heads or point it at them the entire time, they knew he had it and they didn't know what he was capable of.. fear will make you comply and in this case their loyalty to each other kept them from risking the other one being harmed by one trying to run.
 
IzzyBlanche said:
As long as we're pulling predictions out of our rear ends about when a verdict is reached, here's mine.

Sometime tomorrow at the earliest. It's obvious from the questions they've asked that these jurors are smart and engaged. They will want to consider the evidence methodically IMO. Make sure they're not missing anything.

I expect they will want to carry out their enormous responsibility...well, responsibly...and also want to get back to their families ASAP.
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Yes, I think they are motived to reach a verdict to get back to their own lives.

I also think they will want to listen to Libby's video and compare the voice to other videos. That might take some time to set up and play on repeat.

I am expecting them to reach a verdict tomorrow but then sleep on it for final decision on Saturday. (But I hope it's Friday.)

jmo
 
al66pine said:
Abby Surviving 5 -10 Min?

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Did the ForPath who conducted the autopsy testify in court under oath that Abby WOULD have lived for 5-10 mins? Or COULD have? Or used other phrasing?
ETA: Does not seem imo like the kind of stmt a ForPath would include in the A-Rpt.

Or did other witness say that?

Anyone? TiA
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Abby suffered a single mortal wound to the left side of her neck that hit the jugular vein. He estimated she bled out in five to ten minutes and said death was not instantaneous. He later said she would “definitely” have had the chance to react to her injuries.

 
lonetraveler said:
4pm? That's early for deliberation. Hopefully this jury will decide to complete the deliberation today.
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I think tomorrow would be the absolute earliest. There’s just so many little bits and pieces they’re going to want to go over (timelines, witness sightings, psychiatrist testimony, ballistics testimony, confessions, etc).

I’m just wondering if there are weekend deliberations.
 
I think we will have a verdict tomorrow, I think they will deliberate today, possibly reach verdict today, sleep on it and render it tomorrow,
I imagine they are all looking forward to going home, I do hope they are offered counselling if they want it, seeing the crime scene pictures and videos of RA in prison will be something they will never forget and they may need some professional help to just reflect on the trial and manage there emotions, but once again a group of people has given up there lives for weeks, being away from families to serve on a jury, it is one of the ,most important duties that someone can be called to do, and I may not agree with their verdict but I will respect it and be thankful that they were willing to serve,
I imagine the girls families are incredibly anxious and the waiting for a verdict will be very hard, but once again we have seen the love they had for there girls and no matter how hard the trial was they showed up, the final step on the long road for justice for there girls,
For RA family and RA this too will be a very anxious time, they obviously will be hoping for a different outcome to LG and AW family
I am unsure if he did it but I don't think state got to BARD, but I think jury will convict
 
Mauig’ma said:
Now that I think about it, I give the jury 7 hrs tops to convict RA. It’s pretty open and shut as far as I’m concerned.
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Yep. Felony Friday is coming. The jury probably has taken a quick vote already. Some discussion. Then they'll be back to their hotel and have one last dinner together. They'll take another vote in the morning, and the verdict will be in the afternoon, so they can get back to the hotel and get their probably already packed suitcases, and get back to their families for the weekend.
 
MassGuy said:
I think tomorrow would be the absolute earliest. There’s just so many little bits and pieces they’re going to want to go over (timelines, witness sightings, psychiatrist testimony, ballistics testimony, confessions, etc).

I’m just wondering if there are weekend deliberations.
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Grain of salt and all that...I have heard Saturday, yes, Sunday, no.
 
joe jones said:
That's what I posted, my post was about what the state says RA has to have done versus how easy it would have been for BW to kidnap girls and take them to his house, I'm not saying BW did it
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Ok,. I misunderstood but in that case I don't understand the point of your comparison. BW didn't do it so what is the point of saying how easy it would have been for BW to do it in comparison to RA? BW was cleared, why compare hypothetical ease of abduction and murder between the accused and someone who is cleared if you see what I mean? What is the relevance?
 
MassGuy said:
I think tomorrow would be the absolute earliest. There’s just so many little bits and pieces they’re going to want to go over (timelines, witness sightings, psychiatrist testimony, ballistics testimony, confessions, etc).

I’m just wondering if there are weekend deliberations.
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At 1:24 p.m. the jury leaves with instructions.

Judge Gull now lays out expectations for those outside the deliberation room. She says the attorneys need to be within 5 minutes of the court room. She says if the jury needs to see evidence, all attorneys will be invited.

Gull says that Allen will be brought in if the jury requests.

She says the jury will pick a foreperson. She says the jury will not deliberate on Sundays.

She says the jury will deliberate from nine a.m. to four p.m. daily, unless at 4 p.m. they choose to stay and deliberate longer. She says the jury will not deliberate on Sundays.
 
Why would RA need to be brought in?

At 1:24 p.m. the jury leaves with instructions.

Judge Gull now lays out expectations for those outside the deliberation room. She says the attorneys need to be within 5 minutes of the court room. She says if the jury needs to see evidence, all attorneys will be invited.

Gull says that Allen will be brought in if the jury requests.

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