VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #213

[Megnut]

Opening and closing arguments aren't evidence. I wish they'd be live-streamed.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

Neither the daughter or step-sister gave character evidence. Whether or not they were abused by RA is a fact question and used as impeachment evidence to discredit the notion that he did.

Yeah - wasn’t sure how to word it, hence the quotes. Thanks for the clarification.

You SURE you want to pass on the dead horses? I feel they’re going to get a severe whooping after verdicts.

 

[arielilane]

Posted 10 hours ago

13 Things To Know From The #Delphi Murders Trial Today - Nov 6

1. The Defense surprised most people in the courtroom at 9:10am by resting its case — moments after jurors sat down — without calling another witness.The prosecutor & judge were certainly caught off guard.


2. Prosecutor Nick McLeland needed a 90+ min delay to get rebuttal witnesses to the courthouse. Judge Gull said she had planned to discuss jury instructions with attorneys, but had not expected to do that so soon. Jurors got a break while waiting for State witnesses to arrive.


3. The State re-called Breann Wilber to ask about what she saw on the Delphi trails on the day of the murders. She said she didn’t see young females (Abby & Libby) or Bridge Guy while walking. Didn’t seem like overly helpful testimony but it could be referenced during closing.


4. The State also re-called ISP detective Brian Harshman to ask about size/condition of cells at the 3 prisons/jails where Richard Allen has been held since his arrest. Harshman said they’re all about the same. I think that will be mentioned during closing re: RA’s mental health.


5. The State’s final witness was Dr. John Martin, a psychiatrist who treated Allen at the Westville prison. He said RA was stable & didn’t seem depressed or anxious when RA first arrived in early Nov 2022. Also said “everything seemed to be fine” when he saw RA 3 weeks later.


6. Martin said Allen was also doing well in Jan 2023 so he did not plan to visit him again for 3 mos. That changed on 4-13-23 when RA showed clear signs of psychosis. Martin & other mental health staff chose to administer RA an anti-psychotic drug to improve RA’s poor condition.


7. The psychiatrist said Allen’s condition improved by 5-2-23 and he saw no signs of psychosis in RA in May or June, including on 6-20-23 when Martin claims RA said “he wanted to apologize to the families of his victims.” During that time, Allen also made many other confessions.


7. Things got messy during cross exam. The Defense showed Martin a video of Allen on 6-20-24 (same day as the confession to the doctor). The video showed RA restrained in a chair getting a medical exam, looking lethargic, dazed, motionless & emotionless. Then came the questions…


8. (Oops, two #7s) After acknowledging the dazed RA video was taken the same day he diagnosed Allen as NOT psychotic, Martin told dpty pros Stacy Diener he stood by his diagnosis. But when def atty Brad Rozzi asked if the video made him want to reconsider that, Martin replied YES


9. Martin reversed course again a few minutes later under more questioning by Diener. The jury may have gotten whiplash from so many back-&-forth answers from the psychiatrist. And then there’s this doozie of an answer when Diener asked about Allen being in solitary confinement…


10. Martin said solitary brings a stigma that an inmate is being punished for bad behavior in prison but “Mr Allen had not done anything wrong & he was being treated as if he had done something wrong. That was not right.” Said IDOC had to balance RA’s safety & his mental health.


11. The testimony from the State’s 41st & final witness was no home run following what jurors heard a day earlier: a Defense witness who said Allen was definitively suffering from psychosis & a mental health crisis when he made a series of “false” prison confessions in 2023.


12. At 2:20pm, Judge Gull told jurors “Ladies & gentlemen, you’ve now heard all of the evidence in this case.” Thursday is closing arguments from the State & Defense which are both allowed 2-1/2 hours for their closing statements. Jurors will then get instructions from the judge.


13. Katie Jackson-Lindsay joined @SamJohnsonNews & me for tonight’s #Delphi Debrief, explaining why she’s not the least bit surprised that the Defense rested after presenting only 4 days of evidence & witnesses. Great perspective (again) from KJL! #wthr https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SeGRKKIpXNM
@BobSegallWTHR

 

[justtrish]

The phone thing does bother me. The girls could not have been moved but the phone could have been. If it was turned off then moved to a stationary location, turned back on in airplane mode and tampered with and then returned to the crime scene. I am in no way saying this happened but it has been debated in the past why the killer left the phone there. I still think RA is the killer most likely.

The phone IMO is not a big mystery. I feel like in this case some people want to complicate every single thing because it was unsolved for 5 1/2 years. It gave everyone time to come up with so many scenarios about maybe this happened and maybe it was that. Then the defense team comes along and adds even more fictional stories with their Franks memos that became public. It then fueled all these theories and fanned the flames.

RA said he watched Dateline every week. He clearly had an understanding of phone tracking because he didn't bring his with him even though he said he was on it checking stocks. This shows he was aware that phones could track people. If he didn't know Libby recorded him and it sounds like she was very careful about it. She was moving and trying to move away from this man walking toward them. She then puts her phone in her pocket. Why would the killer then take the phone away from the crime scene because then what happens is HE is being tracked by the victims phone. He would then need to dispose of it somehow and doing that could get him caught on cameras or that phone would track right back to his house. We know nobody tried to get into that phone after the attempt was made as soon as the video quit recording. So that likely was Libby trying to unlock it while it was in her pocket. Maybe to try to call for help.. It was never attempted to be accessed again and it quit moving at 2:32.

Nobody put headphones into this phone because WHY? If someone cant get into it and we have no record that anyone tried to access the phone after 2:32, why would that put headphones in and take them out? Then they did nothing. If it was one of the victims then why? Where did the headphones go?

If it's in airplane mode, but someone tries to access it, then surely that would register on the log. Unless the killer has the password, but again it would show up as an attempt to log in. Airplane mode doesn't stop the phone from recording that someone accessed it with their fingerprint or password.

IMO

 

[RemarkableYou]

Nobody put headphones into this phone because WHY? If someone cant get into it and we have no record that anyone tried to access the phone after 2:32, why would that put headphones in and take them out? Then they did nothing. If it was one of the victims then why? Where did the headphones go?

For me the questions are about why did it happen around 6 pm when the water was supposed to happen to the phone around 2:30 and how did water or dirt clear itself?

 

[steeltowngirl]

I am curious if defense will say RA is NOT the man in the BG photo in their closing arguments. If he admitted it to them and they know that he is, they can’t lie about it, right? Or can they?

 

[arielilane]

@localguydonnie

It’s been nearly eight years since Abigail Williams and Liberty German were stolen from this world and had their lives ended far too soon.

The State claims #RichardAllen is the man who killed them. The defense says the State has the wrong man.

By this afternoon, the jury in #Delphi will begin the process of making a final decision.

I’ll be heading back to Delphi this afternoon and stand by and wait for the final word.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854510696404287691

 

[SeattleStew]

For me the questions are about why did it happen around 6 pm when the water was supposed to happen to the phone around 2:30 and how did water or dirt clear itself?

Water could evaporate especially, underneath the recently unalived body of child.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Why would the killer then take the phone away from the crime scene because then what happens is HE is being tracked by the victims phone.

This is an excellent point @justtrish ! I have for so long wondered why the phone wasn’t taken. I had only considered that the killer overlooked it. Fear of tracking would explain it.

jmo

 

[Tortoise]

For me the questions are about why did it happen around 6 pm when the water was supposed to happen to the phone around 2:30 and how did water or dirt clear itself?

Perhaps a change in ambient temperature, Abby's body would certainly have cooled during that time-frame, and the surrounding air and earth would have cooled, or changes to do with condensation. I'm not a scientific type but I imagine there were ongoing changes in the environment at that time and beyond.

 

[justtrish]

For me the questions are about why did it happen around 6 pm when the water was supposed to happen to the phone around 2:30 and how did water or dirt clear itself?

If it got wet around 2:25 then it seems much more likely that it began drying out enough by 6 that this is what caused that. It's just not believable that a person is in the woods at 6pm doing something with headphones. They can't access the phone, the phone shows ZERO movement at that point, nobody tries to access the phone so really WHY would someone return to mess with a phone while people are literally out in full force yelling for the girls.. by 6pm a search was very clearly going on for them.

 

[RemarkableYou]

Water could evaporate especially, underneath the recently unalived body of child.

I hate that that is the case but It seems that would make it not evaporate.

 

[arielilane]

9 A.M. COURT IN SESSION FOR THURSDAY​

Delphi Murders trial: Day 18 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with closing arguments from both prosecution and defense. Jury will decide the fate of suspect Richard Allen.

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[mrjitty]

Perhaps a change in ambient temperature, Abby's body would certainly have cooled during that time-frame, and the surrounding air and earth would have cooled, or changes to do with condensation. I'm not a scientific type but I imagine there were ongoing changes in the environment at that time and beyond.

Yeah it might not have been water as in immersion, but just a bit of condensation in the socket - i've had this issue personally a lot with jogging in bad conditions - easy to get a tiny bit of condensation or splatter in your buds and they go on the fritz

MOO

 

[RemarkableYou]

Perhaps a change in ambient temperature, Abby's body would certainly have cooled during that time-frame, and the surrounding air and earth would have cooled, or changes to do with condensation. I'm not a scientific type but I imagine there were ongoing changes in the environment at that time and beyond.

That makes sense, but when the temperature cools condensation happens. Like in the fall and spring in the morning dew happens.

 

[justtrish]

This is an excellent point @justtrish ! I have for so long wondered why the phone wasn’t taken. I had only considered that the killer overlooked it. Fear of tracking would explain it.

jmo

RA himself said.. he watched Dateline. Many of us do, but the fact he said that in the interview is interesting. Most of us that watch shows like Dateline at least get a brief overview of many criminal cases and if a phone was tracked that is certainly mentioned. If a phone is what catches the killer that is definately talked about. I think it would be something then that RA had common knowledge about. He gives his phone to DD and that phone isn't on the trail, but he says he was using that phone while he was walking so that is a clue that he didn't bring it because he knew it could be tracked. People now know that their phones can track them and if you are planning this out, which clearly the killer did because their phone wasn't there.. (even if it isn't RA).. so stands to reason to me that the killer wouldn't want to mess with the victims phone either. I wish he would have because that would have tracked him.

 

[RemarkableYou]

If it got wet around 2:25 then it seems much more likely that it began drying out enough by 6 that this is what caused that. It's just not believable that a person is in the woods at 6pm doing something with headphones. They can't access the phone, the phone shows ZERO movement at that point, nobody tries to access the phone so really WHY would someone return to mess with a phone while people are literally out in full force yelling for the girls.. by 6pm a search was very clearly going on for them.

True, but the dirt or water clearing in such a short time doesn't make sense either. Especially when people have to look up how to clear it on Google.

 

[sunshineray]

Neither the daughter or step-sister gave character evidence. Whether or not they were abused by RA is a fact question and used as impeachment evidence to discredit the notion that he did.

That he himself said he did and now the jury has that information, both sides to weigh.

 

[Mirabel091]

Nobody put headphones into this phone because WHY? If someone cant get into it and we have no record that anyone tried to access the phone after 2:32, why would that put headphones in and take them out?

Conspiracy theory hat on: to stop it ringing out loud and alerting search parties to the location. That actually would be pretty smart - since the phone was locked and couldn't be put into airplane mode to stop calls coming to it.

Not sure how they could connect a set of headphones without significantly moving the phone (or Abby) and without leaving prints.

But then - if someone really wanted to tamper with the phone - Abby and Libby are right there to try unlocking it with fingerprints.

Good point, about the killer not wanting to be tracked by taking the phone away.

 

[shonyakay]

Yeah it might not have been water as in immersion, but just a bit of condensation in the socket - i've had this issue personally a lot with jogging in bad conditions - easy to get a tiny bit of condensation or splatter in your buds and they go on the fritz

MOO

Yes and we know Abby had on Libby's hoodie/sweatshirt when found. Libby may have hid her phone in her hoodie's front pouch after she stopped recording BG. There was a water ring around the bottom of her hoodie so the phone might not have even been fully submerged or submerged at all in the creek.