GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #215

[MiniMoo]

Not to mention that defendants are advised not to show any emotion during the trial because no matter what they do, people can and will interpret it differently. If he cries, he’s remorseful for what he’s done,
if he looks away from a display of evidence, he can’t bare to see what he’s done, if he smiles, he’s a heartless murderer. So a defendant must put a poker face on the entire time, whether he’s guilty or not. IMO

Am sure interactions was something the Defense may have touched on during jury selection week.

It does indeed make a lot of sense.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[cherrybier]

The defense could sure do that if they wanted hard evidence to try to refute that BG is RA, couldn’t they?

I think both sides should have. Moo.

 

[fred&edna]

Bob's an official source here, he's a defense attorney and does youtube (Defense Diaries).

Moo.

'Gotcha. Thanks!

 

[otto]

I know sometimes I am like a dog with a bone but.....

M00 it always had bugged me that RA lists and talks with Abby first and Libby second. The general populous lists Libby first. I know I know, it doesn't happen every time.

But, with the post up above, he did it again! Also, when he wrote out that he wanted to confess to the murder of Abby (it seemed he in moo listened Libby as an after thought). If I remember correctly @otto wrote something similar.

They found Abby reclothed.
They found Abby with one slit on her neck.
Even Cisero said "Abby had no blood on her hands or sleeves of the sweatshirt she wore. Cicero called it “very unusual” for there not to be blood on Abby’s hands and that he’d “never seen” that before when there is no evidence of being tied up."

My point is: Just the other day we were told in closing that Abby was slit first! (I always thought it was Libby first).

This is huge to me.

M00, each and every time he wants to confess, he is re-seeing everything in his mind's eye. He killed Abby first. That is why most of the time he will list Abby first!

This is one more thing that tells me he did it! M00

In the probable cause affidavit, Abby is listed as victim #1, Libby is listed as victim #2. I assumed that is based on the order in which they were killed ... related to the fact that there is evidence that Libby struggled to get away after the first cut.

 

[Vern]

You and I just differ in our understanding of the law. I feel the defense should be able to question the narrative put forth by the prosecution. As the prosecution should be able to question the narrative of the defense. Why should one trust the opinion of the investigators that the girls' blood wasn't drained, for instance? Trust me bro? The best way to find out Turco's opinion? Put him on the stand. Best way to find out what the FBI's conclusions are? Put a representative on the stand.

In an adversarial system, I don't expect every theory each side throws out to be 100% truth. It is somewhere in the middle more often than not.

ETA: we don't have to agree, but calling everyone a conspiracist that doesn't agree with a particular theory is not constructive in my opinion.

I suppose that I have the exact same opinion regarding "the State is a Python" put forth by the Defense during closing, with some drawings of medieval torture devices. And all the subsequent python slayers now out there in cyberworld. I don't call that constructive.

What would be constructve is for all those types to move themselves to Indiana, vote or run for election and change the laws they don't like. Feigning 'torture' upon a Jury in an attempt to have them disregard evidence of guilt which includes confessions that also came before and after any period of 'psychosis' is simply looking for a verdict based upon their own feelings of 'social justice' and not of criminal justice and a guilty party's responsibility and liability for the crimes that he's on trial for having allegedly committed. Edited to add: IE: We hope that you find him innocent even if you believe that he is guilty BARD because 'evil state = python'.

BTW, the FBI etc all testified during the 3 day hearings and it all led to naught - ergo the 'denied' of the Odinism, Norse Pagan Cult & Ritualistic Killings defense at the trial.

There was no link. No evidentiary link to bring it in as part of the trial.

And hey, let's just toss in BW during the trial for good measure because - *egads* - sticks in his parents garage!!?? LOL. What an absolutely ever-changing twisted pretzle of a defense strategy.

They should have kept it to the KISS principle and stuck with a viable defense SOD theory such as KAK or 'UnKnown Mailbox Guy'. Instead we got a fairy tale to which there will be no happily ever after regardless of the outcome.

 

[cherrybier]

Why does RA not have a alibi for the entire time frame of the murders?

What did he do after he left the trails and that afternoon and night? I missed the defense explaining what he got up to.

IMO they didn't say as KA didn't end up testifying, and they obviously weren't going to put RA on the stand.

Moo.

 

[flashy09]

I just find it strange they never got him off the bridge at the important time in question, and he went out on to platform 1 and seemingly vanished off the face of the earth for many hours. Even his own wife couldn't give him an alibi for later that day. All quite Suss!!
Mmoo

Delphi murder trial: Prosecution links Richard Allen to crime scene, defense highlights doubt

Opening statements in the long-awaited Delphi murder trial began Friday, with prosecutors laying out their case against Richard Allen, the man accused of killing Abigail Williams and Liberty German in 2017.

www.fox32chicago.com

"In response, Allen’s defense argued that he is innocent, pointing out what they believe to be numerous reasons for doubt. Notably, the defense team highlighted that a hair found around Abby’s finger didn’t belong to either of the girls—and did not match Allen’s DNA. They also suggested that while Allen may have been on the Monon High Bridge trail the day the girls went missing, evidence shows he had already left by the time Abby and Libby arrived."

I waited the whole trial for this evidence.

 

[Momofthreeboys]

While we wait for a verdict, figured it might be useful for some folks to review some content, from an approved YT source (Gray Hughes), illustrating why he thinks RA is bridge guy. It’s very helpful for reconstructing this facet of the case based on info contained in the PCA.

Who is Gray Hughes? I noticed the mention several times in this particular forum but not familiar with the name. I did see the link was You Tube so wondering what the connection is to this case.

 

[Salah11]

Delphi murder trial: Prosecution links Richard Allen to crime scene, defense highlights doubt

Opening statements in the long-awaited Delphi murder trial began Friday, with prosecutors laying out their case against Richard Allen, the man accused of killing Abigail Williams and Liberty German in 2017.

www.fox32chicago.com

"In response, Allen’s defense argued that he is innocent, pointing out what they believe to be numerous reasons for doubt. Notably, the defense team highlighted that a hair found around Abby’s finger didn’t belong to either of the girls—and did not match Allen’s DNA. They also suggested that while Allen may have been on the Monon High Bridge trail the day the girls went missing, evidence shows he had already left by the time Abby and Libby arrived."

I waited the whole trial for this evidence.

Yes I am still patiently waiting for this so called evidence. I guess it’s like Odinism were they claim something but don’t have a single bit of evidence to back up their claims.

IMO

 

[Willow Knight]

M00 Didn't the OP say 1/2 a year later? That is not right after....

MOO (for record keeping)

From @INfisherman link above FBI was off August 2021.

Richard Allen's home was search two weeks prior to his arrest.

Richard Allen was arrested for the murder of Libby and Abby September 2022.

Boots, knives and car carpeting: What police seized from Delphi murder suspect’s home

DELPHI, Ind. — Among the over 110 documents unsealed Wednesday in the Delphi murders was a search warrant for suspect Richard Allen’s home and a list of what Indiana State Police seized. Alle…

fox59.com

 

[arielilane]

@SusanHendricks

I was lucky enough to meet one of Liberty Germans best friends..who says Libby always thought of others and how they were feeling

https://twitter.com/x/status/1855465689227677973

 

[jepop]

I suppose that I have the exact same opinion regarding "the State is a Python" put forth by the Defense during closing, with some drawings of medieval torture devices. And all the subsequent python slayers now out there in cyberworld. I don't call that constructive.

What would be constructve is for all those types to move themselves to Indiana, vote or run for election and change the laws they don't like. Feigning 'torture' upon a Jury in an attempt to have them disregard evidence of guilt which includes confessions that also came before and after any period of 'psychosis' is simply looking for a verdict based upon their own feelings of 'social justice' and not of criminal justice and a guilty party's responsibility and liability for the crimes that he's on trial for having allegedly committed. Edited to add: IE: We hope that you find him innocent even if you believe that he is guilty BARD because 'evil state = python'.

BTW, the FBI etc all testified during the 3 day hearings and it all led to naught - ergo the 'denied' of the Odinism, Norse Pagan Cult & Ritualistic Killings defense at the trial.

There was no link. No evidentiary link to bring it in as part of the trial.

And hey, let's just toss in BW during the trial for good measure because - *egads* - sticks in his parents garage!!?? LOL. What an absolutely ever-changing twisted pretzle of a defense strategy.

They should have kept it to the KISS principle and stuck with a viable defense SOD theory such as KAK or 'UnKnown Mailbox Guy'. Instead we got a fairy tale to which there will be no happily ever after regardless of the outcome.

I love your post here. Just so well stated.

 

[Willow Knight]

Bbm.

What was the motive?

I didn't hear the Pros outline a motive unless I missed it?

"Allen told Wala his intention was to rape the girls"

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-witness-testimony-may-lend-legitimacy-to-richard-allens-prison-confession/

 

[getthefax]

Who is Gray Hughes? I noticed the mention several times in this particular forum but not familiar with the name. I did see the link was You Tube so wondering what the connection is to this case.

Well, Gray Hughes is one of the approved outside (YT) sources of info. He has covered the Delphi case since the beginning, and has done amazing work creating animated maps of a bunch of crimes, this one included.

You can familiarize yourself with all the approved sources, crime scene maps, timelines, etc at the beginning of each of the 215 threads on Delphi. This case has been long, and it’s complex, so I find it’s helpful to go back and review the information from all sources (from many different viewpoints) as I’ve pieced together prosecution/defense arguments during the trial.
The animations help me make sense of the timelines as stated by witnesses, camera evidence, RAs statements, etc.

 

[Knitty]

Thread closed. Check back after I've had a chance to figure out why there are so many alerts just for this thread.

 

[Knitty]

Links, required folks.

Thread is open.

 

[Megnut]

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Jury Deliberations: Days One Through Three

We discuss the first three days of jury deliberations following Richard Allen's trial. Support The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: ...

murdersheetpodcast.com

 

[Warwick7]

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Jury Deliberations: Days One Through Three

We discuss the first three days of jury deliberations following Richard Allen's trial. Support The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: ...

murdersheetpodcast.com

Thank you for this link.

 

[BUF]

Well, Gray Hughes is one of the approved outside (YT) sources of info. He has covered the Delphi case since the beginning, and has done amazing work creating animated maps of a bunch of crimes, this one included.

You can familiarize yourself with all the approved sources, crime scene maps, timelines, etc at the beginning of each of the 215 threads on Delphi. This case has been long, and it’s complex, so I find it’s helpful to go back and review the information from all sources (from many different viewpoints) as I’ve pieced together prosecution/defense arguments during the trial.
The animations help me make sense of the timelines as stated by witnesses, camera evidence, RAs statements, etc.

Here is a thread on WS on his crime scene animations:

Crime Scene Animation by Websleuths Member grayhuze

 

[getthefax]

An attorney? I will Google him thanks. Not a name I am familiar with from other trials I have followed.

The link I provided will take you to his channel.
He is not an attorney. I think it’s fair to say he’s a recognized lay expert on the Delphi case, enough so that he’s an approved source on WS.
YMMV. He cusses, is blunt and sometimes abrasive, and is not everyone’s cup of tea. I find his demeanor tolerable in bursts, as when I’m trying to understand the time and space of a crime (what happened when, where everyone was standing, etc—his models of the house where the Idaho Four murders occurred was another useful reconstruction, for example).

I don’t mindlessly accept his editorial as fact… but his models are useful when trying to wrap my brain around overwhelming amounts of data (location, times, etc., for claims made by prosecution or defense). I use his videos as helpful guides for organizing incoming information.

Your mileage may vary.

Edited to add: thanks @BUF for posting a link to the the whole thread of Gray Hughes’ animations.