GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #216

[NoeticSoul]

Those details were not in the recorded calls. Those are from the psychologist MOO

His mother and wife are not the psychologist. eta I was referring to his confessions as a whole, not just parts

 

[Davemac1]

I feel for these jurors. I think some, it not all, are going be retraumatized once they hear about all the evidence they weren't allowed to hear/see. I'd be livid if I were them. Maybe some of them will even join the appeal fight.

As always, JMO.

This statement right here is why I said a couple of days ago that if I was on the jury and was around 80-90% sure he was guilty I'd still vote guilty.
Let him appeal and all of these onlne dreamers and keyboard warrior fantasists can come to his rescue with their ground breaking solid evidence.
My guess, you'll never hear from them ever again in their quest to save poor, misunderstood Richard Allen and they will fly off to another case Trying to turn white ,black and black, white!

 

[girlhasnoname]

I don't really understand why people keeping knocking on the odinist door. There was no evidence tying them to the crime. It's crazy that people are so willing to believe that, with no evidence, than circumstantial evidence that ties Richard Allen to the crime.

I also think him wearing purple today at the verdict is kind of gross. One final insult to the girls.

RA has been wearing blue/teal and purple throughout the trial as noted by WISHTV. I find that disturbing to say the least and I have no doubt that it was planned that way by his scheming, underhanded DT. (like the gimmie money fund using the families hashtag)

Really, how much lower and unprofessional can one be? They made a game and joke out of Justice for Abby and Libby and that is the very reason they LOST the case and RA was found GUILTY. Karma and Justice came back to them tenfold. I bet the only ones sleeping like a baby last night were R&B with visions of who might play them in upcoming TV specials.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

Sure normally I would agree, but her credibility had been shot IMO

Either way, she testified that RA said he molested his sister, as well as others. That was the original discussion.

 

[Sabex]

Good result here, and more than likely the right verdict.

Odinists did it. What a moron.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Sure normally I would agree, but her credibility had been shot IMO

Not according to the SCOIN who unanimously voted NOT to recuse her based on allegations of bias.

I think it's only in the minds of the Judge Gull haters who overtook YT, Insta, TikTok, SM to push an 'evil witch' narrative which was flamed by the Internet cranks, the Due Process Gang and the Defense itself.

MOO

 

[CrocWearer]

This statement right here is why I said a couple of days ago that if I was on the jury and was around 80-90% sure he was guilty I'd still vote guilty.
Let him appeal and all of these onlne dreamers and keyboard warrior fantasists can come to his rescue with their ground breaking solid evidence.
My guess, you'll never hear from them ever again in their quest to save poor, misunderstood Richard Allen and they will fly off to another case Trying to turn white ,black and black, white!

Gotta get that content for YouTube $$$ eh ... and they've actually had to get off their butt's and go and inconvenience themselves this time as they couldn't sit at home and watch..

 

[CrocWearer]

Either way, she testified that RA said he molested his sister, as well as others. That was the original discussion.

We don't know that that's not true though. He could potentially have done something to his daughter that she was too young to remember or recognise or had blocked out.

 

[Warwick7]

We don't know that that's not true though. He could potentially have done something to his daughter that she was too young to remember or recognise or had blocked out.

Agreed

 

[girlhasnoname]

Those details were not in the recorded calls. Those are from the psychologist MOO

Not true, one of the phones call to his Mother which I found to be one of the most damning confessions was recorded and played for the jury.

<snipped & BBM>
DELPHI, Ind. -- On the twelfth day of a harrowing trial, jurors heard confession phone calls of Delphi double-murder suspect Richard Allen.

The prosecution rested after the calls were played in court.

In the calls you can hear Allen confess to his wife and mother that he killed Libby German and Abby Williams.

Prosecution rests after Delphi murders suspect's confession calls to wife played in court

MOO

 

[IceIce9]

I love the way the residents turned out to go to the courthouse when the verdict was announced. Such support for the families!

The best of small town Indiana.

 

[Jw192]

We don't know that that's not true though. He could potentially have done something to his daughter that she was too young to remember or recognise or had blocked out.

Didn't he claim that he had "thoughts" about molesting his sister/daughter? I can't recall but I'm sure it was at least one of them that he said in the confessions that he thought about it... I could be wrong, I cannot remember the confessions in totality. If someone wants to clarify that would be awesome!

 

[minor4th]

I guess it’s time for me to move on from this case now that the trial is over and verdict delivered. Thanks to all for the lively discussion and debate

 

[mrjitty]

Further on the misleading geofence narrative being pushed by AB, LL and others

On Day 15 the defence called witness SH who was walking with her boyfriend DP. According to Murdersheet reporting (my post below) DPs phone is one of those in the geofence map. As you can see these witnesses saw nothing, and the geofence adds nothing. The defence wants to pretend these witnesses were "at the crime scene" or were critical witnesses. But they saw nothing and the jury heard that. From the D's own witness.

At 1:56 p.m. the defense called Shelby Hicks. Hicks says she is a realtor and was 23 years old in 2017. She tells the jury on Feb. 13, 2017, she took her car in for repair and went for a hike with her boyfriend. She says they got to the trails around 2:30 p.m. and parked in connector lot.
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Hicks says she saw an older gentleman with a camera and saw Cheyanne and Shelby Duncan from school. She tells the jury she was “there first on the bridge’s platform.” She says she said hi to the friends from high school.

Hicks tells the jury she was on the platform for 15-20 minutes and went back to her car with her boyfriend. She tells the jury she does not remember if other cars were there when she left. Hicks says the next day her boyfriend Daniel wanted to tell law enforcement what they had seen. She says they went to police but were asked to come back at another time and they went back that evening.

Hicks tells the jury she did not hear anything on the bridge. She says she met with law enforcement twice, first on Feb. 14, 2017 and then again in March of 2017. She says the police never took her phone to extract data.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 15 live blog

Follow Day 15 in the trial of Richard Allen, accused of murdering two girls in Delphi. Stay updated with our live blog for the latest developments.

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I have a theory that the defence damaged their own case with a poorly thought out, OTT trial strategy that prioritised BOOM motions for public consumption over getting useful evidence admitted at trial.

It is necessary to piece together a bit of background to explain this

In a recent interview with The Prosecutors, KG explained that the defence had been seeking to tap into a conspiracy theory involving the witness P. (link at approx 30 mins). The D called P as a witness at trial. P was on the Bridge with friends after the victims that day and saw and heard nothing.

However according to KG, there existed conspiracies against the person back in the early days of this case. According to MS's discord leaks relating to the Due Process gang, the D investigator tried to work with youtubers to develop this conspiracy using geofence evidence from the discovery which he allegedly showed to the youtubers.

Fast forward to 13 March 2004 and the remarkable "France III - The Geofence" gets filed with this claim

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Now according to MS, para 9(c) is particularly disturbing as the D was obviously well aware these kids were not the killers. The prosecutor reacted strongly with the result beng that the geofence map got excluded from the case. Indeed as far as I am aware, at the 3 day hearing the D did not even bring a cellular / geofence expert to make their case for inclusion.

So the net result was that a the map which could have been a useful moment at trial for them got excluded because they made wild claims that they couldn't back up at the pre-trial hearing.

Now, I am not a huge fan of the Judge's skimpy ruling on Geofence but I do believe @m00c0w is correct that far from excluding all geofence/warrant/cast/phone evidence as repeatedly claimed by the Bob Motta, Lawyer Lee etc - the Judge actually just said what the law is anyway - the evidence could only come in if relevant and not misleading. And to my knowledge the D never tried to put any of that kind of evidence on the record at trial.

This feels like a huge blunder to me. They could have saved this to simply put this exhibit to the witness at trial, (state would object) or even call their own phone expert.

Instead they tried to do a back door SODDI against a witness who never was the killer based on conspiracies.

Very poor work IMO.

MOO

 

[noface]

name and shame the youtubers trying to imply richard allen is innocent

 

[noface]

can RA be sentenced to death?

 

[mrjitty]

The SH testimony proves something contended on here when the D dropped Franks 3. The geofence warrant included the trails and the bridge. It was just a preliminary investigative tool so investigators could learn who was in the area that day. It does not reveal the killers, or any key witnesses.

MOO

 

[Jw192]

Honestly, some of this is nuts. I think there are way too many people (not necessarily here) that don't know what BARD is and actually means and refuse to even entertain anything other than their own personal opinion of it. RA was found unanimously guilty BARD by a jury who bore witness to so much more than we the public did.
Now we have lawyers (be it, not practicing) who claim to be legal professionals, with huge online platforms and reach, who are publicly snuggled up with a defence team spewing out unverified and inadmissible information, twisting narratives, and generally misleading the public to the point that we have people slamming on victims families and standing outside a courthouse screaming "we are all" the man who has just been found guilty of brutally murdering two little girls!
Yes, we've always had some who will disagree with verdicts/laws/the system, going back to the Bundy era, but it's becoming crazy now, imo! Yes, there are miscarriages of justice, no system is perfect, and fortunately those cases are miniscule compared to correct convictions; however, it's at the point now where in every large case/trial, there are people coming screaming INNOCENT regardless of the investigation, evidence, facts, or verdict. It's become a trendy thing to do and is being reinforced by so-called legal professionals who put out a bar so high that nobody would ever be convicted if it were accurate.
Since when did the true crime community become so naive, gullible, and downright disrespectful to not only the law but the victims of murder?! Since when did true crime become entertainment and a conspiracy?!
There needs to be some form of regulations/restrictions put in place, especially for these so-called legal professional 'lawtubers' where IF they chose to use their experience in their field to educate the general public, they should do so in an unbiased and wholly accurate way, imo, as not only is the true crime community growing every day due to the likes of Netflix, TikTok, etc., you can only imagine how bad it's going to get during the Moscow trial; it's making it harder for LE, the courts, and the practicing professionals who have dedicated their lives to justice.

Sorry for the essay, just had to get it off my chest, and where better than probably the only TC platform where law and justice are still accurately favoured over entertainment?

All MOO

 

[Salah11]

It’s in the section above the Permits and Licenses heading, scroll past the pic of RA.

McLeland entered evidence of an enhanced video recorded by Libby from the end of the High Bridge. The enhancement “stabilizes” the video and allows additional audio to be heard.

“I listened to that video 100 times,” Liggett said, saying listening to it with headphones is the best method as it cuts out ambient noise.

As the enhanced video is played, Abby says, “Is he right here?” followed by “Don’t leave me up here.” Libby then says, “See, this is the path.”

Liggett said Libby then whispered, “That be a gun.” She then says, “There’s no path here. We have to go down here.”

A man can then be heard saying, “Guys.” Libby says, “Hi,” and then the man says, “Down the hill.”

DNA and digital evidence have yet to link Allen to murders of Carroll County teens - Carroll County Comet

Six days into the trial of Richard Allen and, there is no physical DNA evidence linking him to the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German – yet. The trial is expected to last until Nov. 15, and the State appears to be far from finished with its witness list. “Not one iota of DNA evidence...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

Poor Abby being scared that she would be left with him.

When people claim he can not of done this alone just need to hear this to see how intimidated they were before he even pulled the gun.

 

[justtrish]

That's exactly what the MS concluded. That so little was done towards a NG verdict and that the efforts of the DT seemed to be going towards a Hung Jury. It was never RA could not have done this because of A, B or C, it was - voting guilty is voting for the evil snake of LE and for torture.

All MOO

Maybe they couldn't focus heavily on our client is NG because they knew otherwise? I know they can still defend him, but maybe they couldn't outright say RA is not BG because they knew he was. That is always a possibility. He confessed to everyone else so maybe he also confessed to them. IMO