The defense just seemed very disorganized & other than the arguments over treatment in Westville & mental states, the rest was just not overly impactful to me. I wasn’t 100% convinced of guilt until 2-3 days into the defense’s turn at bat. The reported overreactions to certain evidence didn’t do anything to win me over either.
BBM
Very good points. I agree and didn't mean to sound as if I disagreed. There's still a lot we don't know about this guy. That's understandable as the judge needed to have the gag order in place to protect the case. I hope we learn a little more about him, at least enough to get an idea of what motivated him to do this.
I also took this as him saying his actions have essentially killed his family. He would not be with them anymore. He said this also. He wanted to make sure they were together in the afterlife. He found God and was concerned how his family felt about him. We miss a lot by not being able to see and hear the testimony for ourselves. Some that have reported on this have taken some of these statements and not provided context for what was said. They want to push the narrative that he was not well and was confessing to things that didn't happen because it supports their already decided narrative that he only confessed because he was locked up. IMO
BBMIt was apparently decided pre-trial. The defense had all the confessions on their list of evidence, the prosecution had 7.
The obviously false confessions are evidence that goes to the infamous false confession defense.
A lot of jurors (who never heard the discussion about which were to be admitted) would want to hear a smattering.
There are several areas where this could result in an appeal that at least goes above state appellate court. Another one has to do with planting someone in the cell next to him, etc.
I do think he will likely stay convicted in that particular region, with that particular set of appellate judges, but it would have been to his advantage in making the false confession defense.
If his defense team doesn't bring it up on appeal, then I think they are incompetent (which is another possible appeal).
And then of course, there's the fact that he was kept alone in a lit cell for 13 months (said the prison psychologist on the stand).
Odinism, confessions, alleged judicial bias among issues Richard Allen could raise on appeal
"This isn't over at all," a visibly upset Kathy Allen, Richard Allen's wife, said as she left the courthouse Monday, hinting at an inevitable appeal.www.indystar.com
Apparently the composite pictures (based on witnesses near the bridge that day and on the photo) were not allowed into evidence either.
www.wthr.com
I just didn't want you to think I was in any way defending him or his awful actions. Because we agree on his guilt. I too really hope at some point we get to better understand his motivations.
This post is my favorite thus far after jury's verdict! It's grating (though inevitable) that there will still be some others just now still theorizing "what if" .
art19.com
Wish they'd have counseled him to just plead guilty and save everyone in Abby & Libby's family the emotional and mental torture of sitting through this horrific trial and save the state tons of $. Better still, I wish he'd have just confessed from the get-go 7 1/2 years ago so the family didn't have to suffer for this long waiting and not knowing.
He killed everything possibly good in his own life and so many others lives as well as Abby and Libby.
Where are you seeing that confessions were not allowed to be admitted? The defense wouldn’t be able to admit his confessions in the first place, as it would be hearsay - the defendant is available to testify, he just doesn’t want to. They can’t do an end run around opening him up to cross by admitting out of court statements he made.It was apparently decided pre-trial. The defense had all the confessions on their list of evidence, the prosecution had 7.
The obviously false confessions are evidence that goes to the infamous false confession defense.
A lot of jurors (who never heard the discussion about which were to be admitted) would want to hear a smattering.
There are several areas where this could result in an appeal that at least goes above state appellate court. Another one has to do with planting someone in the cell next to him, etc.
I do think he will likely stay convicted in that particular region, with that particular set of appellate judges, but it would have been to his advantage in making the false confession defense.
If his defense team doesn't bring it up on appeal, then I think they are incompetent (which is another possible appeal).
And then of course, there's the fact that he was kept alone in a lit cell for 13 months (said the prison psychologist on the stand).
Odinism, confessions, alleged judicial bias among issues Richard Allen could raise on appeal
"This isn't over at all," a visibly upset Kathy Allen, Richard Allen's wife, said as she left the courthouse Monday, hinting at an inevitable appeal.www.indystar.com
Apparently the composite pictures (based on witnesses near the bridge that day and on the photo) were not allowed into evidence either.
That’s assuming he was ever put into "the system" by then, assuming you’re referring to the 2019 call from KA. KS testified the tip sheet was marked cleared & she was in the process of entering info into a database. It seems logical the entire box of tips had yet to be entered into the db.
MOO it didn't flag up because someone with authorrity marked it "clear."
well yeah perhaps maybe possibly??
it's anyone's guess IMO, I really hope after the gag is lifted a lot of what the jury saw becomes public for us to review.well yeah perhaps maybe possibly??
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The oldest trick in a defence playbook.
Making the charged defendant APPEAR as meek, week and useless as visually possible.
perhaps maybe possibly??
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