GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #216

[Boxer]

Richard Allen really had me going with his denials and confessions. The jury convicted him so they think he is the killer. I thought he might be innocent, but the van confession detail and the testimony from the man in the van is hard to overcome. This case left me with a lot of doubt. I was thinking about the van confession detail that only the killer would know when I started to realize that many movies that involve abducting kids usually include a van as the vehicle.

Some people who were in the courtroom and got to listen to Richard Allen's voice think it could be the same voice as bridge guy. I still look at the bridge guy video from Liberty German's phone and try to see Richard Allen's face. I still cannot see it.

Not a general "van."
A specific van that drove right above where he said he originally marched the girls down to assault them. It passed at the time precise time he said he was interrupted.

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[Boxer]

Westville allows visits.

Also a big change coming for Richard Allen in personal interaction with his family.

No more multi-hour visits with his family in a private room (how'd he pull that off while supposedly in solitary being tortured??). Now, they'll have to follow scheduled visitation periods and make use of the cubicle glass divider to reach out and not quite touch someone. Oh well.

There is a regular visitation room where offenders and visitors sit in regular chairs and talk. Here is their rules. Basically offenders get to have family or other people visit regularly.

Visitation

www.in.gov

 

[cbeagle]

LE found every phone he ever owned in a collection except that one from 2017.

Don't think that statement can be that strong, LE found a number of phones and not the one from 2017, but don't think there was evidence it was every other phone ever owned.

 

[k-mac]

Not a general "van."
A specific van that drove right above where he said he originally marched the girls down to assault them. It passed at the time precise time he said he was interrupted.

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This is where the Richard Allen convicted killer defenders wheels fall off their wagons.

Singularly they can cry maybe maybe nots.....about every single thing.
But there is always an enormous part of the point they ignore.

TAKE the white van scenario as that previous poster suggest...yeah but yeah but yeah but....doesn't all crimes have a white van attached to the storyline?? implying he made it up.
But you can't make up the precise location and the precise time. ...IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE INFORMATION.

Lets look at his missing phone.
Genius idea to ditch the incriminating phone right??
But there is so much supporting elements to mundane everyday things that criminals can not register together.
RA having every phone in his home he has ever owned except the one LE want and will incriminate him... is a hardcore red flag.
If he was a ssmart criminal he would have realised he had to ditch ALL THE PHONES to make the phone a non-event.

We can write a book, on his incriminating actions already known.
Can't wait to know the rest.
Not expecting bombshells... but lots and lots of the above scenarios.

Just not a very smart killer. THANKS BE TO GOD XX

MOO

 

[k-mac]

Don't think that statement can be that strong, LE found a number of phones and not the one from 2017, but don't think there was evidence it was every other phone ever owned.

https://www.wane.com/top-stories/he-was-covered-in-mud-and-blood-bridge-guy-witness-testimonies-continue/

On November 8, 2022, 23 devices were taken from Richard Allen’s home and data was extracted and analyzed. What exactly the devices were was not clarified.

Delphi murders suspect confessed to killing 2 girls on hiking trail in small town, prison doc says

Delphi murders suspect Richard Allen's alleged prison confessions were discussed during his trial on Wednesday, when prison psychologist Dr. Monica Wala took the stand.

www.yahoo.com

That same phone — the one he owned in 2017, when the murders occurred — is now missing, despite the fact that Allen kept over 20 other old phones in his house.

 

[Arkay]

Just not a very smart killer. THANKS BE TO GOD XX

Agreed.

I imagine he actually considered himself to be a BRILLIANT killer, because for five long years he was hiding in plain sight.

He didn’t know that it was due to an unfortunately overlooked clue that KS found and brought to LE. Certainly NOT because RA was a mastermind ninja murderer.

It’s unconscionable that the information that would have caught him immediately was cleared due to a mix-up with his last name, but once KS found it and LE investigated, Doug Carter was right—-a local guy, who wasn’t sure what LE knew, and who they were going to get for what he did.

Hallelujah. I hope he rots, first in prison and finally in hell.

JMO

 

[RANCH]

Don't think that statement can be that strong, LE found a number of phones and not the one from 2017, but don't think there was evidence it was every other phone ever owned.

I think the fact that RA no longer had the phone he used in 2017 while having the habit of retaining other devices is evidence.

I've read that perhaps he traded in the 2017 phone for a new one and that's why he no longer had it. But I never heard any testimony to support that.

It boils down to a piece of incriminating evidence that the jury could use to come to their guilty verdict. JMO.

 

[k-mac]

Agreed.

I imagine he actually considered himself to be a BRILLIANT killer, because for five long years he was hiding in plain sight.

He didn’t know that it was due to an unfortunately overlooked clue that KS found and brought to LE. Certainly NOT because RA was a mastermind ninja murderer.

It’s unconscionable that the information that would have caught him immediately was cleared due to a mix-up with his last name, but once KS found it and LE investigated, Doug Carter was right—-a local guy, who wasn’t sure what LE knew, and who they were going to get for what he did.

Hallelujah. I hope he rots, first in prison and finally in hell.

JMO

I am still dumbfounded Doug Carter (maybe kim reilly?) said in the early days when asked by a reporter should the public be scared and should we be locking our kids up??
He assured them no.

This was beyond reckless IMO.

There was nothing stopping RA doing it again.
I think he didn't because he knew he had won the lottery in not being apprehended for the murders already committed.
Knew not to push his luck... yet , anyway.

But LE should have done better to protect their community at large when faced with unknown serial killer amongst them.

 

[MassGuy]

I am still dumbfounded Doug Carter (maybe kim reilly?) said in the early days when asked by a reporter should the public be scared and should we be locking our kids up??
He assured them no.

This was beyond reckless IMO.

There was nothing stopping RA doing it again.
I think he didn't because he knew he had won the lottery in not being apprehended for the murders already committed.
Knew not to push his luck... yet , anyway.

But LE should have done better to protect their community at large when faced with unknown serial killer amongst them.

Couldn't possibly agree more. He knew what that crime scene looked like, which should have instantly told him that this was sexually motivated, and not some personal thing. I don't think it would have mattered, as even now people tend to play it safe around there. They didn't need police to tell them that a violent killer was on the loose, and could strike again.

But it's the principle of the matter. This is precisely the type of crime that you should be warning the public about.

 

[INfisherman]

Agreed.

I imagine he actually considered himself to be a BRILLIANT killer, because for five long years he was hiding in plain sight.

He didn’t know that it was due to an unfortunately overlooked clue that KS found and brought to LE. Certainly NOT because RA was a mastermind ninja murderer.

It’s unconscionable that the information that would have caught him immediately was cleared due to a mix-up with his last name, but once KS found it and LE investigated, Doug Carter was right—-a local guy, who wasn’t sure what LE knew, and who they were going to get for what he did.

Hallelujah. I hope he rots, first in prison and finally in hell.

JMO

BBM

“We believe you are hiding in plain sight. For more than two years, you never thought we’d shift gears to a different investigative strategy, but we have. We likely have interviewed you or someone close to you. We know that this is about power for you, and you want to know what we know,” Carter said. “One day, you will.”

I think RA now knows what they knew in 2019. RA thought he was smarter, teasing with his, "That is not me. If it’s taken with the girls phone, that is not me."

He will burn in hell. A hell with plenty of his favorite dish & extra large sporks.

 

[Vern]

Westville allows visits.

There is a regular visitation room where offenders and visitors sit in regular chairs and talk. Here is their rules. Basically offenders get to have family or other people visit regularly.

Visitation

www.in.gov

There sure is. But his experience will be totally different now.

During the 3 Day Hearings it was testified to that Allen was being given special treatment on the visitation front. That his family could visit outside of scheduled hours at will and that they would enjoy multi-hour visitations in the privacy of their own room. No other visitations etc occurring while theirs was ongoing - sometimes with other prisoners' visitations with their own families being delayed to accomodate for RA and his family.

Now, his family will have to comply with the Prison's set out schedule for visitations, and no more room to themselves for privacy etc. while others wait. Usually multiple prisoners are meeting with their famlies within the visitation room all at the same time vice "privately".

RA's just one of the gang now. Poor Richard.

 

[Boxer]

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There sure is. But his experience will be totally different now.

During the 3 Day Hearings it was testified to that Allen was being given special treatment on the visitation front. That his family could visit outside of scheduled hours at will and that they would enjoy multi-hour visitations in the privacy of their own room. No other visitations etc occurring while theirs was ongoing - sometimes with other prisoners' visitations with their own families being delayed to accomodate for RA and his family.

Now, his family will have to comply with the Prison's set out schedule for visitations, and no more room to themselves for privacy etc. while others wait. Usually multiple prisoners are meeting with their famlies within the visitation room all at the same time vice "privately".

RA's just one of the gang now. Poor Richard.

Yes. He was goven all kinds if extra privileges in recognition of his arrested but not convicted status. IIRC The Delphi jail was 24/7 a cacophony of cat calling and death threats towards him.

 

[Seattle1]

The murders of Abby & Libby took place on February 13, 2017 in a town of less than 3,000 residents (Delphi, IN). When RA was first interviewed in 2017, he said he was on the trail in the afternoon.

RA was next interviewed October 13, 2022, his residence searched under warrant, and RA arrested on Oct 27, 2022.

However, and more importantly, during the five years between the Feb 13, 2017 murders and RA's arrest on Oct 27, 2022, be reminded that the local Sheriff's Office, ISP, Unified Command, Delphi Task Force, the FBI, and others, investigated numerous tips and leads for this case including individuals known as Odinites-- which did not lead to any arrest for the murders of Abby & Libby. During this time, no individual matched the evidence from Libby's phone and/or "bridge guy" (voice & image).

It wasn't until October 2022 when investigators identified RA as "bridge guy," and RA provided additional information about his location, vehicle, and his firearm that authorities had probable cause to arrest RA as the only suspect responsible for killing Abby & Libby.

I dunno.. perhaps it was local, RA hiding in plain site that flamed the disbelief that he alone could be responsible.

Maybe it was dissatisfaction with ISP dismissing FBI from the investigation in August 2021.

And time did make for some real crazy -- even on WS when I personally had to step away once "bridge guy" came complete with a baby lamb (or baby goat(?) -- I forget), and hiding an oxygen tank in his pant leg!

For whatever reason, I think by early 2022, the climate was perfect for conspiracies about Odinites to resurge in multiples -- now with dedicated legal media platforms also ready when on Sept 18, 2023 -- eleven months after RA's arrest, his defense filed a 136 page MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF THE ACCUSED’S MOTION FOR FRANKS HEARING, seeking to throw out the search warrant for RA's residence on Oct 27, 2022 for failing to link RA to Odinites and/or name certain local Odinites as prime suspects in the murders of Abby & Libby!

IMO, seems to me it was the 136 page Memorandum in Support of RA's Motion for Franks Hearing that truly ignited the fire around RA not being bridge guy, RA being set up, SODDI conspiracy theories, and many more false claims by the defense-- without any legal basis, as demonstrated during the subsequent, multi-day suppression of evidence hearings and other pretrial motion hearings held up until the weeks before the start of trial.

Ultimately, it became tiring, and so disrespectful to both the victims and investigators who spent years seeking justice for them.

As for the appeal, I'm reminded the burden is on the defendant, and also what Judge Gull wrote in her Order: “The case law is quite clear that the nexus must not be based on speculation, conjecture, rumors, or hearsay, but rather on admissible evidence,” adding that the defense had “failed to produce admissible evidence” demonstrating such a nexus during hearings.

MOO

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[somequestions]

Gray Hughes

I used to Say Richard Allen is Bridge guy. Now we can all say Richard Allen is the man that Libby filmed. Without Libby Filming Richard Allen this case never would have been solved. Richard Allen tipped himself in Because he saw his Image the Day before in the news. #delphi #richardallen #guilty

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856783096886300918

That was a big risk on the part of Richard Allen, coming forward to the conservation officer if he saw his picture was released to the public on February 15th, 2017.

The conservation officer obviously would have had the still picture and if he had asked Richard Allen if he went out onto the Monon High bridge that day, maybe the file would not have been marked as cleared as I think placing someone on the actual bridge based on where the still video picture was taken on the bridge would be very important. At that time, the police already knew the image came from Liberty German's phone and knew it probably was recorded at the end of bridge because of the "Down the hill" command.

At the time when police asked for people to come forward, they only wanted to speak to the person in the still image. As I remember it, not until the February 22, 2017 press conference did we even learn the image came from Liberty German's phone. Richard Allen came forward on February 16, 2017.

Did Richard Allen figure out earlier than February 22, 2017 press conference that Liberty German had recorded him on her phone and decided to come forward anyway, even though he would not know how much she got or if she recorded his voice too? He hoped the conservation officer would not ask if he walked out on to the Monon High Bridge? Or did Richard Allen think even being seen on the Monon High Bridge by a trail cam means police think he is the murderer, so he needs to get ahead of the trail cam image on the southeast side of the bridge to explain it away without knowing it was actually Liberty German who recorded him with her phone at 2:13pm?

I understand a jury found Richard Allen guilty, but this is another question that lingers with me about this case.

 

[Tortoise]

That was a big risk on the part of Richard Allen, coming forward to the conservation officer if he saw his picture was released to the public on February 15th, 2017.

The conservation officer obviously would have had the still picture and if he had asked Richard Allen if he went out onto the Monon High bridge that day, maybe the file would not have been marked as cleared as I think placing someone on the actual bridge based on where the still video picture was taken on the bridge would be very important. At that time, the police already knew the image came from Liberty German's phone and knew it probably was recorded at the end of bridge because of the "Down the hill" command.

At the time when police asked for people to come forward, they only wanted to speak to the person in the still image. As I remember it, not until the February 22, 2017 press conference did we even learn the image came from Liberty German's phone. Richard Allen came forward on February 16, 2017.

Did Richard Allen figure out earlier than February 22, 2017 press conference that Liberty German had recorded him on her phone and decided to come forward anyway, even though he would not know how much she got or if she recorded his voice too? He hoped the conservation officer would not ask if he walked out on to the Monon High Bridge? Or did Richard Allen think even being seen on the Monon High Bridge by a trail cam means police think he is the murderer, so he needs to get ahead of the trail cam image on the southeast side of the bridge to explain it away without knowing it was actually Liberty German who recorded him with her phone at 2:13pm?

I understand a jury found Richard Allen guilty, but this is another question that lingers with me about this case.

I think it's no bigger risk than having friends, co-workers, customers, or family asking him 'why haven't you gone to the police and cleared yourself, they've put your picture in the appeal'. I've heard that his wife did tell him to make contact with the police, but I haven't seen it confirmed. I think he thought he'd be recognized by people who knew him and he had no other avenue at that time.

This kind of crime - the RISK of something not going to plan, being caught, broad daylight and good weather bringing people outdoors to a popular attraction, two girls to control, the girls screaming, is HUGE. As the convicted perpetrator, we can comfortably surmise he is that risk-taker who indeed came forward.

I think he thought it was a trail cam. The girls are not in the image published. He had his story prepared about watching the fish and his stocks. Libby's recording was done in such a way as to not let him know she was recording. The phone was successfully hidden by Abby, but if he'd known about it he wouldn't have left it there, imo. He didn't know about the phone in February 2017, imo.

If that photo was taken by the girls it's not me.
In other words, if that photo was taken by a trail cam, it's me.

 

[k-mac]

I think it's no bigger risk than having friends, co-workers, customers, or family asking him 'why haven't you gone to the police and cleared yourself, they've put your picture in the appeal'. I've heard that his wife did tell him to make contact with the police, but I haven't seen it confirmed. I think he thought he'd be recognized by people who knew him and he had no other avenue at that time.

This kind of crime - the RISK of something not going to plan, being caught, broad daylight and good weather bringing people outdoors to a popular attraction, two girls to control, the girls screaming, is HUGE. As the convicted perpetrator, we can comfortably surmise he is that risk-taker who indeed came forward.

I think he thought it was a trail cam. The girls are not in the image published. He had his story prepared about watching the fish and his stocks. Libby's recording was done in such a way as to not let him know she was recording. The phone was successfully hidden by Abby, but if he'd known about it he wouldn't have left it there, imo. He didn't know about the phone in February 2017, imo.

If that photo was taken by the girls it's not me.
In other words, if that photo was taken by a trail cam, it's me.

I always thought he didn't know the girls had the phone.
Hard to fathom they managed to keep it hidden from him.
Makes sense the shoe. Since it was found under Abby as well.
When we found out Libbys dad was ringing her, I wondered how it didn't highlight it to RA.
But I suspect Libby was a very normal teenager who always had her phone on silent.

(I think they do this so mom doesn't realise how much socials they doing!!!)

Therefore in this case protected and kept Libbys phone from alerting.


MOO

 

[Tortoise]

I always thought he didn't know the girls had the phone.
Hard to fathom they managed to keep it hidden from him.
Makes sense the shoe. Since it was found under Abby as well.
When we found out Libbys dad was ringing her, I wondered how it didn't highlight it to RA.
But I suspect Libby was a very normal teenager who always had her phone on silent.

(I think they do this so mom doesn't realise how much socials they doing!!!)

Therefore in this case protected and kept Libbys phone from alerting.


MOO

Perhaps (my speculation) when they were forced to undress Libby put her phone down under her shoe to conceal it, and Abby saw it when she (my speculation) picked up Libby's clothes to put on and kept it safe. It might even be the reason she put on Libby's clothes, just to save the phone, if Libby wasn't able to. Libby's other shoe was in the creek, but not the one that was found with the phone, that was held tightly for a reason, imo. I think she would have thought of it as their lifeline, survival instincts, and kept it hidden from RA at all costs.

MOO and speculation

 

[mrjitty]

I think it's no bigger risk than having friends, co-workers, customers, or family asking him 'why haven't you gone to the police and cleared yourself, they've put your picture in the appeal'. I've heard that his wife did tell him to make contact with the police, but I haven't seen it confirmed. I think he thought he'd be recognized by people who knew him and he had no other avenue at that time.

This kind of crime - the RISK of something not going to plan, being caught, broad daylight and good weather bringing people outdoors to a popular attraction, two girls to control, the girls screaming, is HUGE. As the convicted perpetrator, we can comfortably surmise he is that risk-taker who indeed came forward.

I think he thought it was a trail cam. The girls are not in the image published. He had his story prepared about watching the fish and his stocks. Libby's recording was done in such a way as to not let him know she was recording. The phone was successfully hidden by Abby, but if he'd known about it he wouldn't have left it there, imo. He didn't know about the phone in February 2017, imo.

If that photo was taken by the girls it's not me.
In other words, if that photo was taken by a trail cam, it's me.

I think that's the case as well T. He knew he'd been seen by 4 witnesses including on platform 1 of the Bridge AND he'd been photographed. He wanted to get in front of it. This guy was a drinker. He's not some criminal genius.

I'd also add, we see so often in these cases that killers become noob showrunners in their own crime drama, and usually they are really bad at script writing.

 

[Mirabel091]

I think he thought it was a trail cam. The girls are not in the image published. He had his story prepared about watching the fish and his stocks. Libby's recording was done in such a way as to not let him know she was recording. The phone was successfully hidden by Abby, but if he'd known about it he wouldn't have left it there, imo. He didn't know about the phone in February 2017, imo.

If that photo was taken by the girls it's not me.
In other words, if that photo was taken by a trail cam, it's me.

I've always completed that in my head as "if that photo is from the girls phone it's not me - because I didn't think they took my picture". It seems such an awkward way to say "no that isn't me" if it really isn't you.