The title of this thread comes from Ned's signature. ABRASIONS ARE NOT STUN GUN MARKS (but feel free to exhume and prove otherwise if you like.... This has always been one of my biggest issues with the Ramseys and their refusal to do what is right. From the Judge Carnes' rebuttal, here is the info I have gathered on the Ramseys and why they won't exhume JBR. From the Ramseys own book, Death of Innocence (HB), p. 194: Back in April 11, Lou Smit, Trip DeMuth, and Steve Ainsworth had gone to John Meyer, the Boulder county coroner, with a single question. "could the marks on JonBenet's body have come from a stun gun?" The investigators felt they had discovered a significant clue, and Meyer evidently agreed that the small red marks he observed on JonBenet's body could have come from such a weapon. Following this conversation, Smit had spoken to Peter Mang and Sue Kitchen of the Colorado Bureau of Investigation about a stun gun causing the same marks. Could a stun gun leave the red welts found on our daughter? Both Mang and Kitchen believed it was possible. In turn, they suggested that Lou pursue the issue with Araphahoe County Coroner Mike Doberson. In the past, Dobersen had dealt with a crime involving a stun gun. His experience was first-hand and practical, and he should be able to offer some insight. During Lou's talk with Doberson, the autopsy photos were studied from every possible angle. After a careful examination, Dr. Dobersen believed that the marks in the pictures did appear to have come from a stun gun. However, Doberson wasn't ready to make a definite public statement unless the body was exhumed.Because the exhumation didn't occur, Smit couldn't obtain the conclusive statement he was seeking. However, the evidence was mounting. FACT: Doberson said he wasnt ready to make a definite public statement unless the body was exhumed. The next logical step would be exhumation; yet, the Ramseys absolutely refused to do this. Here is why, according to the Ramseys, they refuse to exhume JBR. From the ABC program 20/20 transcript March 17, 2000: BARBARA WALTERS: Why wasn't the body exhumed? JOHN RAMSEY: (PAUSE) Don't know why the police didn't consider that. Uh, we were asked when this theory first surfaced about a stun gun that if the body were exhumed it could be proved conclusively but it had to be done fairly quickly. This was within months of when we'd just buried JonBenet. And I, as her father, could not bring myself to do that. I had laid my child to rest. She was at peace. And that was, ah, that decision I couldn't make. BARBARA WALTERS: Even though it might have cleared you? JOHN RAMSEY: It wasn't that was not the priority. The priority was my child was at rest. From the 48 hours interview with Erin Moriarty. Oct. 4th 2002 CBS: Erin Moriarty: Wouldnt that have been or the best way to know or coming the closest to knowing is if you could have exhumed the body and line up a stun gun and see it matches those injuries? Lou Smit: Sure, I believe that would have been the most accurate way to do it. Erin Moriarty: ( Voice over) Lou Smit admits that in the months following JonBenets death, investigators considered going to court to have her body exhumed but decided against it. John Ramsey: We buried our child, she was in peace, that was just a horrid thought. Erin Moriarty: But, John that might have been the one way to know for sure, that could have resolved the whole issue, because if a stun gun was used, then it was not the parents. John Ramsey: Certainly, and weve got people who told us, who know what they are doing, that with 95 percent medical certainty that a stun gun was used. No question. Erin Moriarty: But you would have known with 100 percent, with certainty, if you had exhumed the body, as tough as that would have been. John Ramsey: Thats my child youre talking about, not a body, its different. ````````````````````````````````````````````````` You talk to any parent of a murdered child and they will tell you the same thing. They would do whatever it took to help solve their child's murder. Including exhuming the body. Was it Shannon Mohr's parents who exhumed her twice? I believe so. They didn't give up. To this day there is still a very good chance that the marks could be identified if JonBenet was exhumed. Yet the Ramseys refuse. The Ramseys refuse to do the one thing that would prove to the world that they are telling the truth. A stun gun was used. Yet they won't do it. By the way, if John truly was a good Christian, then he would know that JonBenet is not in her grave. That is her shell. Her spirit is in heaven. This is a very strong belief of Christians. THE ONE THING THE RAMSEYS CAN DO THAT COULD LEAD TO THE KILLER OF JONBENET AND THEY REFUSE. Think about this. What if this "intruder" kills again. And uses a stun gun. The Ramseys had it in their power to stop this monster and they didn't . Of course we know that is not going to happen. We know there is only one reason why the Ramseys refuse to exhume JonBenet. Because there was no stun gun and they know it. Plain and simple.