Found Deceased AL - Danniella Vian, 24, Mobile, 17 Jul 2018 #6

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  1. theides

    theides Well-Known Member

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    I just perused the web for videos of cars being removed from bodies of water, and some of them had significant front end damage and some did not. I think it really depends on the depth of the water and how it entered. Right off of a boat ramp is probably a smoother entry with greater depth - easier angle and more time for water to slow it down before it collides at the bottom. It's been quite a few years since my college physics courses but I think water has a pretty high amount of energy absorption, especially depending on the angle the force is acting at.
     
  2. MimosaMornings

    MimosaMornings Well- Known Member

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    Did she think she was following someone?
    Any of her friends have a boat?
     
  3. theides

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    This may be way out there, but the specs for the Chevy Cruz note a separate on-board navigation system. I wonder if it was active. This one wouldn't be accessible by Pearl Motors. This is pretty far out in left field, especially considering that DNV KNEW where Ollie's is which is why it was weird she was following DW in the first place, but if she was trying to type Ollie's into her GPS and was intoxicated and messing it up, she might have gotten Cofield (you can't spell either without o, l, i, or e) as an autocompletion option and accidentally clicked it and just went with it? I know that's way out there and wild. Just trying to think of how she got there.
     
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    DW's home is on a river, and I'd assume being of money and on the water, he has a boat.
     
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    I know Cassie from NBC 15 said that the damage on the vehicle was due to the removal or mostly due to the removal, but I wonder if that's completely accurate?

    ETA: I know Cassie joins most of the discussion groups about cases on Facebook. I wonder if she'd be willing to join Websleuths.
     
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    That is an excellent idea .... I wouldn't be surprised if she isn't already browsing through these threads ..
     
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    Keyedin Verified Paralegal

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    I'm not caught up on the thread (and apologize in advance if this has already been stated), but I think we can reasonably assume the GPS did NOT malfunction when the car went into the water. If that were the case, they'd have been able to track her car past the Shell and it wouldn't have taken 9 months to find it.
     
  8. Claireishere

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    Usually just the body is dumped not car and body.
     
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    In the new podcast out it said the GPS May have been the type to only ping when the car was started.
     
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  11. Keyedin

    Keyedin Verified Paralegal

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    Would be interesting to know whether the car was ever shut off at the Shell station. I always just assumed it was left running while they searched for the phone. I'm not sure why because it's never been said one way or the other.
     
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    So in the beginning I was so perplexed by the stop at Shell, which was not on the way to Ollies, the disabling of the car tracker and the arrival of the 3rd car, and then the complete vanishing into thin air of poor DV that I was convinced there was some form of foul play. Now I am less sure.

    I might be able to buy into a scenario where DV was following DW (perhaps to go with him to return his hire car), flashed him that she'd lost her phone. Or alternatively that they were stopping off to buy some weed form a dealer at the Shell garage before heading to Ollies. Realising she'd lost her phone they searched her car, calling her phone to try and locate it. In the process they accidentally disconnected the tracker or it malfunctioned.

    It is then possible that DV may have had a quick chat with the 3rd car or done a quick deal for some weed - (not victim shaming here at all). She then followed the wrong car my mistake or was just wildly disoriented, and ended up accidentally driving into the water. Yes the video of the drive to Saraland does emphasise what a long way in the wrong direction it is but it also confirmed to me that the ramp into the water is not signed or fenced off in any way. I think it would be easy to mistake it for a driveway or road. And I agree with posters that she might not have had a quick enough reaction time, tried to put it in reverse before trying to get out. Opening her own window would have released the water pressure but you have to know that to do it as its counter intuitive.

    I fear the watery grave is unlikely to reveal any other answers or compelling evidence. So I think for me the most likely conclusion is an accident. There are too many cases of people getting lost and driving into a river in the dark. Just because its been a mystery for some time it doesn't make it more likely to be foul play. Despite the perplexing details of the manoevres at the Shell garage. And for the record I think DW was the good guy in this.
     
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    Thank you for knowing what begging the question means (a pet peeve of mine, but that's a whole other discussion!). Exploring some of the issues you mentioned, I started doing a whole bunch of peripheral research and really went down a rabbit hole. Unfortunately I'm up against a huge deadline at work today and don't really have the time to put my thoughts together for sharing. As soon as work is out of the way, however, I will dive back into this. Also need to catch up in case I missed anything important while I was down the rabbit hole...
     
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    Yes, for some reason JDT made it clear early on that CT and Mr JDT had 'gone up north' and only returned in time for the scheduled CT/DNV visit on Thursday. In the long and very winding/changing road of JDT commentary in this case she never wavered on this particular comment so far as I can tell. I always was curious as to why CT was away at this time along with Mr JDT given what transpired during this key period. Given that JDT was the alleged primary caretaker of CT it always seemed odd that she would have Mr JDT take CT out of town allegedly to visit relatives up north. If Mr JDT and CT were in fact 'up north' then it might have given Mr JDT an alibi of sorts (I'm not 100% but my recollection was that they went about 3 hrs north to around the area where at one time TT was in 'rehab' but if someone can confirm my memory on this please chime in). My main thought is that I hope MPD throughly checked this JDT statement to verify the location of CT and Mr JDT.
     
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    Thanks - I have essentially the same questions you have, except possibly about damage to the car, because I am just not knowledgeable enough about that sort of thing to have any particular opinion on it at the moment.

    Your question about 65 is a good one. There is no reason for them to have gotten on 65 in the first place, much less to take it almost to the I-10 split and get off at Government, which is the last exit on 65 South. Then, if they got off 65 there, they should have come into the station from the east, or left side - not the right. There's a funny little dog-leg you take off 90 (Govt) to get on the service road. Right turns at the intersection there by the Shell (to turn into Lakeside or the service road) are prohibited. It's been that way for some time now.

    It makes a lot more sense for them to have come down Lakeside and turned left onto the service road and then left into the station.

    Similarly, leaving the Shell you would probably not turn left unless you were headed back up the service road/ S. Beltline that runs alongside the interstate. If you were getting on the interstate you would turn right out of the station and go to the light at Lakeside/service road/90. There you'd take a left onto 90 (Govt), heading east just a short distance to the interstate on-ramps.

    IMO, they weren't headed to Ollie's - or at least not straight to Ollie's. I feel strongly they were going somewhere else altogether.

    I have many more thoughts that will have to wait until I'm off work today - so busy, but it's hard to stay away from WS!

    All MOO, as always

    Edited to fix typos.
     
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    Only have an answer about the boat. DW has/d boat that was supposedly moored near his house (his house was on a smaller river that fed into Mobile Bay if I recall). That is why I was curious as to the distance of DW house to this Saraland location.
     
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    He does have a boat and my recollection is that his house is in the Dog River area (Dog River eventually feeds into Mobile Bay). I will go back and look at the regional nautical maps we looked at early on as I was curious as to whether there was a direct connection point between Dog River and the Saraland location or if the only connection point was Mobile Bay. If I find anything I'll post back.
     
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    Was hoping the recovery of her body would have allowed some resolution to the mystery - but it hasn't whatsoever IMO

    According to DW, both he & DNV were going back to Dublin's to look for her cellphone (which apparently it wasn't uncommon for her to be forgetful of) - so - he pulled out of the Shell station & he says he thought she was following along...

    We know for a fact that she did not: her car remained at the Shell, @ minute later another car appears: 15-20 minutes later, after her GPS disabled, both cars leave the Shell....

    From what has been posted about the route back to Dublins & the route she took that landed her on a boat ramp into the water were two VERY different things - no way she'd have gotten 'lost'.....SO: pretty clear she wasn't headed back to Dublins......

    Where did she THINK she was headed, and why?
    Why did DW think she was returning to Dublin's when seems clear that wasn't her intention? (of course unless that third car intervened with that intention...)

    This is all too heartbreaking....I hate to think of her drowning in that car, alone, with no one, no help, incapable of getting out. It's just awful
     
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    To me the central mystery has always been WHY was she following DW - ?
    He thought she was because he assumed she didn't know the way to Ollie's & that she thought he was going there. He says he was on his way home - he had no idea why she was following, so just assumed that.....but she used to work at Ollies: so she wasn't following him because she didn't know where Ollie's was: there was some other reason
    So: he must have asked, huh? like when she flashes him to pull over, they head to the Shell....what did she say about why she was following? Maybe she thought they all were going elsewhere...?
    ......my first question if I were DW when pull into Shell would be like 'hey, I'm not going to Ollie's if you're following me there.....?'
    All we get is: the conversation that her cellphone is back at Dublins - & he decides to go back & help her search - nothing about why she was following him...
    She worked at Ollie's for goodness sake: she knew where it was - that was NOT why she followed him.....
    I really want to know why she was following DW......I cannot help that LE does know why, but for whatever reason that is not public knowledge......
    so much of this case has stuck in my craw - but I keep going back to the initial 'why' of her even following DW in the first place.........whatever the intention was: allow us to be in her mindset, know her plans, her assumptions, etc. - it's a fact she was not intending to follow him to Ollie's......
    Otherwise: I'd really like to know more details @ how the GPS worked - someone said it pinged every two minutes...
    Also: what was the movement of people, if at all, between all the three cars....?
    These are the issues I keep returning to with this case....& now it seems, yet again: just like she wasn't headed to Ollie's & knew it: she wasn't headed back to Dublins, she knew that, because she knew the way & wasn't taking it (assuming she's conscious & driving her own vehicle at that point) that's why she ends up on this bizarre route, roads, turns, railroad tracks, yadda yadda well away from the route to Dublin's & down a boat ramp
    Too weird...so frustrating: I really want justice, if it needs to be served - but, most of all: peace & closure for her, for her family & friends.....
     
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