AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #4 *ARREST*

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  1. Achilles81

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    Oh I'm sorry, part of an assessment followed by collection doesn't fall under forensic testing? Since the forensic examiner assists law enforcement by dictating his/her findings in a report of all things involved in a post mortem study.

    If any of the assessment findings mentioned are noticed, further testing can be done like hematologic studies and so forth. All findings are then dictated and passed on. So why semantically it's not a "test" it falls within the scope of duty of the examiner too which he/she bases their conclusions of what may or may not happened to the victim.

    So please, if my statements are incorrect allow me to apologize
     
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  2. Blacklist

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    The backgrounds of one of CM’s attorneys and the mentioned purported “community activist” are being confused. Purposely or not.
    Either way, it’s a non-sequitor to the case. Irrelevant

    Quo Vadis
     
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  3. jaejae

    jaejae Well-Known Member

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    I will just make one more point I do not believe in many cases the genealogists are identifying the correct offender it makes little different who they find the DNA analysis process is flawed from the outset in many cases. For instance in the Golden State Killer case I do not even think the DNA sample used to misidentify an innocent man was not even a pure sample from the actual offender. Jackson is Germanic yet the man held has some Italian heritage and this was not mentioned in the case before and the reason for this is because this Italian DNA was not even from the offender.
     
  4. sillybilly

    sillybilly WS Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Thread is open again for respectful and on topic discussion.

    Please familiarize yourself with The Rules.
     
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    sillybilly WS Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    "Innocent until proven guilty" is a legal principle that applies throughout the judicial process. The general public is entitled to form their own opinion based on information available to date through MSM articles or that which is released by LE.

    One of the basic principles at Websleuths is that we remain victim friendly.

    Please read this excerpt from The Rules: Etiquette & Information

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    Websleuths is a victim friendly forum. Attacking or bashing a victim is not allowed. Discussing victim behavior, good or bad is fine, but do so in a civil and constructive way, and only when such behavior is relevant to the case.

    The "victim friendly" rule extends to the family members of victims and suspects. Sleuthing family members, friends, and others who have not been designated as suspects is not allowed. Don't make random accusations, suggest their involvement, nor bash and attack them. Posting their personal information, including names, addresses, and background data -- even if it is public -- is not allowed. That does not mean, however, that statements made by family members and other third parties cannot come into discussion as the facts of the case are reported in the media.


    It is one thing to play devil's advocate to some degree in these threads (i.e. defending the accused), but ...state your case and move on, without derailing a thread with arguments and bickering. IF however your opinion is unsubstantiated by known fact and negative toward the victim, it is not tolerated at Websleuths. Speculative opinion must be based on a known fact.

    To speculate that consensual sex occurred is not substantiated by any known fact and is therefore painting the victim in a negative light by suggesting their behavior makes them somehow responsible for their death. Until/unless MSM or LE indicate otherwise, consensual sex is not up for discussion.

    Any questions regarding the above, direct message a Mod or Admin or use the Report feature to ask a question. Do not derail the thread any further with questions about The Rules or moderation.

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  6. CuriousD

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    Sounds like you are just trying to create doubt in scientific evidence but when you have a direct match to DNA, it's a little hard for me to believe he's NEVER met them. I'm guessing you believe that catholic priest CANNOT sin also??
     
  7. Andreee

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    I think several personally known to the suspect 'defenders' are on this thread IMO.
     
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  8. CuriousD

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    I'm sure and that's fine. I always look at things (or try to) from every angle. If you defend someone and say "There's NO way they could have done it" #1. Either you were with them during the WHOLE time that it could've taken place. OR #2 You know they didn't do it because YOU'RE the one that did it. Also, I think it's funny how people say "he couldn't have done it, he's a CHRISTIAN man" and then think that claiming to be a christian is gonna save them. IMO if you're gonna go that route, God will give to you tenfold for using him that way. JMO
     
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  9. jaejae

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    I have said my piece and I am happy I have been allowed to do that but I would rather posters discuss other aspects of the case now. Just for the record I do not believe that DNA genealogy leads to that many direct DNA matches and there have been examples of it leading to mistakes. This report says it is up to 90 per cent inaccurate:

    Can Genealogy DNA Link To The Wrong Suspect?
     
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  10. Andreee

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    But as someone commented below the article:
    Misleading article. Familial DNA can lead you to several suspects, yes. But you still end up with a 100% match in the end. So if the family trees lead to a dozen suspects, the next step is to match their DNA profile with the suspect’s DNA from the crime scene. You’ll either get a 100% match from one of the 12, or you won’t. This is bad journalism.
     
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    Right. It does not matter how many leads they get that don’t work out—what matters is that they get a lead that provides a classic DNA match. So, if someone wants to claim that classic DNA matching—between two good samples—is inaccurate, well, go ahead.
     
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    Facts are facts are facts are facts. It's hard to understand when others don't.
     
  13. CuriousD

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    I'm glad you posted. I just don't think you fully understand the whole process or you don't want to understand. I believe they are right on track with the person responsible. For a person to keep their mouth shut for 20 years. And now gonna say that he's never met nor does he know them. After ALL THIS TIME......he and his attorney and family expects people to believe this?? You don't just come up with someone's semen by going to the store and buying it. I've heard that it's all set up. How would you go about setting up someone with their semen??? That and the consensual sex is the only two plays he's got IMO. The set up version is gonna be way far fetched so I'm going with he's gonna make up some kind of BS instead of doing the christian thing and confessing the TRUTH. My opinion.........ONLY A GUILTY MAN KEEPS QUIET AND WANTS AN ATTORNEY!!!!! IF he was so innocent and christian........all he would need is the truth and God..............not a guy that tries to make people think that DNA stands for Do Not Ask.......That's the dumbest thing i've heard yet!! All just my opinion of it all. Hopefully he'll ask for a speedy trial so that the families won't have to keep going through this 3 or 4 years from now!!
     
  14. Tinala

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    I absolutely agree with all this! If someone is going to post about DNA facts the very least they can do is actually educate themselves on the subject. If you study DNA at all you know that it doesn’t matter in the least how you got pointed to the suspect. All that matters is that you have a positive match with the DNA evidence from the crime. It’s science but it isn’t rocket science! LOL.
     
  15. TJtennispro

    TJtennispro Well-Known Member

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    That’s not true. “Only a guilty man keeps quiet and wants an attorney”

    Only a fool would not get an attorney facing 2 capital murder charges.


     
  16. Blacklist

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    I’m glad to see this thread become “lively” again.

    Now, back to business:

    It is easily to assume that OPD has more to bring to the table than a singular DNA match. I believe that for sure. The DA would not pin his one bite of the prosecution Apple and suffer a case of failed attempt at conviction. This is obvious and will be revealed post indictment.

    While we patiently wait for the discovery package that will come, I have a couple of questions if anyone has a definitive answer.

    1. Does anyone know mr. McRaney’s occupational specialty was in the Air Force??
    It could be insignificant or otherwise.

    2. There has been a number of statements and disclosure that Mr. McCraney is employed as a truck driver. Does anyone have credible information regarding his employment 1997-2000? This also may or may not be significant.

    Thank you everyone in advance for their objective views. It’s good to see activity here again. Don’t stay gone so long you rascals.
     
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  17. jaejae

    jaejae Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the post. In all of the crimes here I am very sorry for the victims and it is unfortunate that I have to be saying that the man held for these crimes is innocent in my opinion. That is life and that is crime cases. If I were innocent I would want someone sticking up for me. I am not a scientist but I have studied crime cases a lot and in my opinion for a rather strange reason I know more about some cases than anyone else and because of this I know there have been misidentifications through the DNA genealogy processes correctly being used. In this respect it is not a straight forward DNA match and in my lay man's terms I would say this is because the processes used are poor science and allow the DNA to mislead. I do not think the article I quoted is poor journalism but good journalism and it is poor journalism where people do not critically examine the facts. Thank you.
     
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  18. Tinala

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    Sorry, I m trying to understand what you just replied with. You are saying you know more about crime cases than actual law enforcement? Like some supernatural occurrence of knowledge? This DNA match is indeed straight forward. I don’t think you actually understand how dna works at all. The way the match was made was maybe not the norm but the match cannot and please understand this actual fact...CANNOT be faked or tainted. There is either a match or there isn’t one. It is plain fact. It doesn’t matter how they were led to This suspect the only thing that matters is that this mans DNA matched the dna at the crime scene and in the victims. I think you should study some more on actual dna and the science behind it and you would understand that there is no chance at all that this was someone else’s dna besides the suspect. You mention that poor journalism is where people do not critically examine the facts yet this article you posted is exactly that. There is no factual information in it. It is an opinion article only. That IS poor investigative journalism. I honestly do not mean to come across as harsh but you are making comments on here that are quite arrogant and yet there is zero factual information.
     
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  19. jaejae

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    Sorry If I came across as arrogant as that is not want I meant to do. I honestly do not think the way DNA genealogy is being used at the moment is pure science and it is flawed and that is the problem. I do not believe that the DNA sample has been matched against the offenders at the crimes scenes. I would just like to make the point that there has still not been a conviction in any of the cases using DNA genealogy since the arrest in the Golden State Killer case so at the moment the suspects accused are innocent. Of course if there are convictions in these cases I will admit I was wrong. I actually think to raise the issue of misidentifications using DNA genealogy is good journalism amongst all the 'hysteria' and assumption of guilt with what I consider to be scientifically flawed and to my mind unethical processes. As I say thanks for the interesting post and we will have to beg to differ as such.
     
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  20. jaejae

    jaejae Well-Known Member

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    Just want to make one more point if I can please then I think it is probably best to agree to slightly disagree. I believe that many DNA genealogy hits are being incorrectly presented as fact when they are not fact and are in fact incorrect. So I cannot accept someone saying that these DNA hits are factual as the end of my argument against them because the whole point is I am arguing against possible errors being presented as fact. Thank you for your thoughts and interest.
     

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