AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #4 *ARREST*

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  1. killarney rose

    killarney rose Well-Known Member

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    Jaejae, do you have links to back up your opinion that the DNA is incorrect? Because so far all I'm seeing is one opinion article of poor journalism. I'm specifically referring to your last post.
     
  2. killarney rose

    killarney rose Well-Known Member

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    Without facts to back it up, your statement of something is only opinion.
     
  3. Linskid

    Linskid Well-Known Member

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    Genealogy DNA research is what led them to the suspect. Then, the suspect’s actual complete DNA was matched to the actual complete DNA at the crime scene. At that point of comparison, genealogy research has nothing to do with it. MOO
     
  4. CoolJ

    CoolJ Well-Known Member

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    You are misunderstanding the facts of this case. Genealogy was not used to match McCraneys DNA to the DNA found on J.B.

    Is it DNA forensics in general you have a problem with or is it the genealogy?
     
  5. jaejae

    jaejae Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the post I did say I was not going to post that much more on this subject but it is very interesting and important a mans life is at stake who I believe is very likely innocent. My opinion is the processes and processes used to check the DNA are likely flawed. The DNA is 'mistreated' by being entered into may to many systems and also that the genealogists at the moment are more often than not identifying the wrong suspect because their techniques are not scientific. Hence I believe the Golden State Killer was Germanic but incorrect Italian family trees were used. To put in simple terms it is flawed and not scientific. These are backed up by my own research into certain cases. Thanks for the interest.
     
  6. killarney rose

    killarney rose Well-Known Member

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    Again, I ask you Jaejae to provide fact based links for this opinion.
     
  7. jaejae

    jaejae Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the post and I am going to stop on this issue soon. I am only an amateur sleuth trying to do what I think is morally right. I cannot do anything until the FBI acknowledge the fact there has been a misidentifications in the Golden State Killer case which I believe there has been and which has an impact on all DNA genealogy identifications that have used it as an inspiration and that includes this case. It is catch 22 for me and it is in the hands of the FBI in my opinion and it is their responsibility. I cannot make FBI Directors do anything one because of my position, I am not a LE Officer and thirdly I am a foreigner so I can only do what I think is right and my little bit.
     
  8. CoolJ

    CoolJ Well-Known Member

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    Whether he is innocent or guilty has yet to be determined but it is without a doubt that it was his DNA that was found on J.B 20 yrs ago.

    The genealogists don’t identify a suspect. They identify dozens or even hundreds of “potential” suspects. In this case, Chief Walker recognized the surname McCraney from a list that was provided by the geneologists. It was old fashioned DNA forensics that matched the DNA evidence to McCraney when he voluntarily submitted a sample.
    It is McCraneys DNA. That part is not disputable.
     
  9. killarney rose

    killarney rose Well-Known Member

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    So you are saying you do not have a link that is fact but rather you are just stating your opinion and not true facts?
     
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  10. killarney rose

    killarney rose Well-Known Member

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    double post
     
  11. jaejae

    jaejae Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the post. No I am not saying that you are the one saying that. In my opinion my post is perfectly logical while what you asking of me given what I have said is not.
     
  12. wary

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    Do you believe in DNA testing? DNA testing in the traditional sense? In other words—law enforcement has a good sample of DNA taken at the crime scene, compares it to DNA taken from a suspect, and says that it is a match—(I’ll skip the statistics.)

    Do you accept that type of DNA testing?
     
  13. Andreee

    Andreee Well-Known Member

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    I would add that everything you say is FACT!
     
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  14. CoolJ

    CoolJ Well-Known Member

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    I think you are getting so much push back here because what you are saying clearly shows us you do not understand how genealogy was used in this case.
    You are probably incorrect about how it was used with the GSK case as well.
     
  15. jaejae

    jaejae Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the reply. I do accept traditional DNA testing but DNA genealogy is what this case is about. We are talking about DNA being entered in to Parabon's systems for a start.
     
  16. jaejae

    jaejae Well-Known Member

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    Again thanks for the post. I am pretty certain I am right and if you study the Golden State Killer case you will in my opinion why I believe my suspect is the actual offender and why this impacts on this case which directly used the case as its inspiration. You have a right to your opinion but I do believe I understand DNA genealogy and more than most because I realise terrible mistakes can be made which can have terrible implications on innocent peoples lives.
     
  17. wary

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    Thank you. I’m glad that you do.

    DNA genealogy only provides ‘leads’ for traditional DNA testing, so I can’t understand why you don’t accept it.

    By the way—I’m not sure if this is a problem for you—but the DNA isn’t entered into gedmatch, Parabon, etc—the data derived from a DNA test is entered into the various systems. So, the DNA isn’t worn down/degraded, etc. from being entered into multiple systems.
     
  18. killarney rose

    killarney rose Well-Known Member

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    But you can't say for certain what you are posting is factual and back it up. It is just your opinion.
     
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  19. jaejae

    jaejae Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the post. Not being funny but how are you so certain that DNA genealogy only provides leads for traditional DNA testing. This is the way it has been presented by some but I do not believe this to be the case and that is part of the problem. I do not for one minute in a case like this one think LE would know there was a misidentification when they made an arrest but it is that something has gone wrong. I personally think there is something flawed with some of the processes you mention above. You are entitled to your opinion but in this case I am certain I am right and it is important for potentially innocent men and their families I stick with it.
     
  20. Linskid

    Linskid Well-Known Member

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    This is where you are confused.
    No, this case is not about DNA genealogy. They only used genealogy to narrow down who they would test. Then, they can disregard the genealogy results. They then used traditional DNA testing to match the suspect to the crime scene.
    Traditional DNA testing is what matched the suspect to the crime scene.
    By the way, thank you for always being respectful in your responses.
     

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