Found Deceased AL - Kamille "Cupcake" McKinney, 3, kidnapped from birthday party, Birmingham, 12 Oct 2019 #3

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  1. oviedo

    oviedo Well-Known Member

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    Note - he possessed the porn - 4 counts, and 3 counts of intent to distribute......
    AMBER ALERT: Suspect charged with child porn. Second suspect on probation for previous kidnapping
    Patrick Stalwarth, 29, is charged with for counts of possession of child pornography, and three counts of possession of child pornography with intent to distribute. Investigators say they found the images on his cell phone

    Derrick Brown, a 29 year-old woman, had her probation revoked. She was on probation for kidnapping. Although the charges are unrelated to the search for Kamille “Cupcake” McKinney, they are still persons of interest.
    AMBER ALERT: Suspect charged with child porn. Second suspect on probation for previous kidnapping
     


  2. alyssa5597

    alyssa5597 Well-Known Member

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    I mean, they still probably would have clothing for her.

    Child pornography isn't just a happens in a dark dungeon of a basement with kids chained up type of deal... most children go to school, look completely normal or appear well cared for, are victimized by a family member, etc. It happens in our own backyards and communities. It would already be uncommon for them to use a very recognizable victim at this point but it would be extremely rare in the circumstances we see for child pornography crimes to just have a child running around without clothes 24/7 or anything like that.
     
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  3. n4k

    n4k Well-Known Member

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    Can you please link that proof? Admittedly, I have read deep into the community posts on social media, so I may be confusing fact with hearsay, but nowhere have I read a valid source stating that the brother was the lone witness, or tbh, even a witness at all.
     
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  5. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    I don't know what kind of job he has or what his alibi is or how he's going to prove it.

    I'm not doubting she was picked up and put in a car, I'm just not convinced it's that car, or that man and woman.

    Wasn't the car described as having tan trim and a peanut butter colored bumber? I thought this car had silver trim and a silver bumper.
    Didn't they say at first it was a white woman who was in the car?

    I'm not saying I don't think he was involved. LE has said that he is connected.
    Maybe he was there earlier watching and saw her then.
    We need to know the exact time Cupcake was abducted. Was it two hours before the call? If it was at 6:30 and police were called at 8:30, that would make sense if he really has proof he wasn't there at 8:30.
    We also need the DNA evidence. Someone may have cleaned the car, but if her DNA is in there that might be enough to arrest him again.
    They need whoever is out there who knows something to come forward, too.

    Imo
     
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  6. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    Was it ever confirmed that the 11 year old witness was her brother?
     
  7. Steelslady

    Steelslady Justice for Kelsey

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    Racism? Can you point to which posts you are referring to?

    Do you even read other missing children's threads on here or just this one?

    People here react the same way towards any perp, regardless of color, religion, etc.
     
  8. moonriverfarm

    moonriverfarm Well-Known Member

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    Social media is telling. You cannot discount the possibility of there being truth in what has been posted. I live in the state and know a bit about the culture in these apartment complexes/projects, the people who live there and the atmosphere regarding kids. As much as it hurts to admit it, kids are at the bottom of the importance chain in many situations.
     
  9. oviedo

    oviedo Well-Known Member

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    First report posted in media thread:
    3-year-old girl kidnapped from Birmingham birthday party; Amber Alert cites ‘extreme danger’

    Kamille “Cupcake” McKinney vanished about 8:30 p.m. Saturday from Tom Brown Village public housing community in Avondale. She was outside with friends when she disappeared.

    According to other children, a man and a woman in a dark SUV picked up Kamille. An 11-year-old boy said he saw a man get out of the SUV, pick up Kamille and put her in the vehicle. Police do not believe this is a custodial issue. Both of Kamille’s parents as well as her extended family are on the scene.
     
  10. alyssa5597

    alyssa5597 Well-Known Member

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    Bringing down a projection screen for the presser....just said they are going to have video...
     
  11. oviedo

    oviedo Well-Known Member

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    yes - it is all very confusing - which vehicle was spotted during the abduction - who provided the description - when was she FIRST missed at the party - what time was she abducted (was the witness wearing a watch to report the time?) - how long was the search prior to calling 911? so many questions and here we are 6 days later and no further along IMO.
     
  12. MsBetsy

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    I haven't seen it either, and from what I understand there were lots of children there that day. There may have been 5 or 6 eleven year olds for all we know. It would also explain why he did not tell someone about seeing the vehicle and Cupcake being picked up by the man right away. He may not have realized what was happening.

    And, by the way...
    Welcome to Websleuths, n4k!!!
     
  13. oviedo

    oviedo Well-Known Member

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    Jonathan Hardison on Twitter

    Still in a holding pattern awaiting start of @BhamPolice news conference where we're now told they'll be sharing video with us about the Amber Alert case of missing 3-year old Kamille McKinney, kidnapped last Saturday night. We'll have it LIVE when it begins @WBRCnews

    11:47 AM (EDT) · Oct 18, 2019

    Sarah Snyder on Twitter

    Minutes away from a live news conference with Birmingham Police about missing 3-year-old Kamille McKinney. We will break in live as soon as it starts.@abc3340 #liveon3340

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    11:38 AM (EDT) · Oct 18, 2019
     
  15. Momof4RN

    Momof4RN Well-Known Member

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    THe suspense is killing me! Can they get started already?!
     
  16. n4k

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    I absolutely agree with you 100%! I live outside the city, but have worked in B'ham over thirty years. Reading the depths of social media surrounding this case has been eyeopening for me. I realize that we work in this fictitious safe bubble in the city, but deep underground there is another world that exists that is full of things beyond our comprehension. It is sad and scary.

    I believe the answers to solving this case will be found on social media. The only problem is there is much trash to sift through to find the jewels.
     
  17. alyssa5597

    alyssa5597 Well-Known Member

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    I feel like we are about to either watch video of her being put in a car or video of other vehicles at the scene they want the public's help identifying...

    Lots of chatter from the back about getting the video to play..."will be available after the press conference is over"
     
  18. BaileeRyce

    BaileeRyce Major thread reader. Minor poster.

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    Wow
    That was hard to read.
    I sometimes scan the messages quickly and when I came across this one, it punched me in the belly.
    The reality of that statement stinks.

    Bailee
     
  19. n4k

    n4k Well-Known Member

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    Thank you, Ms. Betsy! I'm not new--been around since 2011 (I think I joined during the Caylee Anthony case). I get so engrossed with these cases of abducted kids that I become non-productive, so I TRY to stay away. ;-)
     
  20. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    They might not even know the exact time. If it was a child who witnessed it he may not have a good sense of how much time went by before he mentioned it.
    If they can narrow down the time that would help.
    Imo
     
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