Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021

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  1. SuziQ

    SuziQ Well-Known Member

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    I know many would be happy to see AB take the fall here. I don't like him much either, and he doesn't seem like a nice person. But IMO, it was not his job to check the gun. How about holding the person who had one job to do and could not do it properly? The Amorer, who didn't even know how to handle blanks.

    Are we going to start sending people to jail because they are not...nice?

    Moo.
     


  2. LaborDayRN

    LaborDayRN In a world where you can be anything, be kind

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    I can't wrap my head around why actual ammunition, ie bullets would even be ON a movie set to accidently be loaded into a "prop" weapon.

    SANTA FE, N.M. -- As a film crew and actors in Western garb prepared to rehearse a scene inside a wooden, chapel-like building on a desert movie ranch outside Santa Fe, assistant director Dave Halls stepped outside and grabbed a prop gun off a cart.

    He walked back in and handed it to the film's star, Alec Baldwin, assuring him it was safe to use because it didn't have live ammo.

    "Cold gun," Halls yelled. It wasn't, according to court records made public Friday. Instead, when Baldwin pulled the trigger Thursday, he killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounded director Joel Souza, who was standing behind her.
    'Rust' assistant director told Alec Baldwin gun was safe before movie set shooting: Documents
     
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  3. SuziQ

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  4. SuziQ

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    This type of situation has been a long standing problem. You have Directors who have a vision of what a scene (sometimes outrageous and crazy) should look like in their head. And they don't like to take no for an answer.

    Because they do not like him.
     
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    Bravo!!!!

    But you forgot to add that actors and other staff were forced to sleep in cars!!!!!! because the producer/s didnt organise a hotel for them in a nearby town.
    Well, Wild West treatment - for the sake of realism???
     
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    He is more than an actor--he is a producer on the project. A producer has much higher level of responsibility.

    Two things concern me about this case:

    1) There were reports of labor unrest on this movie production. Halyna Hutchins, who was shot and killed by Alex Baldwin, the lead actor and producer on the Movie Rust, was openly supporting a group of workers who had just been replaced by Baldwin that same day. Halyna Hutchins supported a Hollywood union protesting dangerous working conditions days before she was shot on the 'Rust' set

    2) Halyna Hutchins was the Director of Photography on the set of Rust. She was not an actress. There was nothing in the script of Rust calling on Baldwin's character to shoot the prop gun at the Director of Photography. Why did Baldwin point the gun at her and pull the trigger? This was grossly unsafe and seems to me to be negligent at the very least.

    I believe this is going to have a major impact on Baldwin. I would not be surprised at criminal charges being filed against him.
     
  7. LaborDayRN

    LaborDayRN In a world where you can be anything, be kind

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    @10ofRods Thank you for this. You've explained what I've been thinking but have been unable to put into words.
     
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    LaborDayRN In a world where you can be anything, be kind

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    And yet she was hired to do it. Most likely to save money.
     
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    OMG, thank you. This. And absolutely THIS. Mistakes were made by several people, it sounds like, but ultimately.... Why was that gun pointed at anyone and the hammer cocked and the trigger pulled?

    Everyone knows you don't point a weapon, loaded or not, at another human and cock the hammer and pull the trigger ... EVEN IF you have checked the weapon and believe it is empty. Even if you are just playing, or being aggressive, or just lacking completely in muzzle awareness. Even if someone tells you the gun is cold.

    I don't believe he thought the gun was loaded, but it is 3 pretty deliberate acts to: 1. cock the gun, 2. point it at someone, and 3. pull the trigger -- even if you believe it is cold.

    IMO and all that jazz.

     
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    They all have responsibility.

    I don't want to see anyone "take the fall", but there were several people there, including AB, that could have followed protocol and this young lady would still be alive.

    And why was that gun pointing at anyone?

    IMO and all that jazz.
     
  11. Dotta

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    She was inexperienced but she had also just come from a successful shoot where she was the Head armourer, and I would presume that she had experience as some kind of assistant armourer before that. Everyone has to start somewhere and no one is experienced until they are given the chance to gain that experience by someone taking a chance on them.
    Budget was undoubtedly a factor here,but this is the daughter of a leading Hollywood armourer with years of experience and a great reputation so I don't know if it's fair to condemn the producers for hiring her but then this senseless tragedy happened on her watch so I can see,with hindsight,how people feel this was a bad decision.
     
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    Why would the gun have been pointing at the cinematographer?
    We don't know what happened on the set of Rust, but it is fairly common to have a gun pointed at the camera, and by extension the cinematographer, to get a certain angle.

    "We've all seen the very famous shots in films where you get that dramatic effect of a gun being pointed at you, the audience, and of course, it's being pointed toward the camera," explained Steven Hall, a veteran second unit director and cinematographer who has worked on films like Fury and Thor: The Dark World.

    "To minimize that, one would put a remote camera in that place, or at least, if someone does have to operate the camera, I'm normally protected by safety goggles, a safety visor and often a PERSPEX screen that withstands pretty much anything. Obviously, it wouldn't withstand a real shot from a gun, but it would certainly withstand a blank."

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/prop-guns-movie-sets-1.6221637
     
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    Now, if it’s was the Asst Director who handed it to Alec calling “cold gun”, where was armoury lady at that point?
     
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    What did she mean by "loading blanks"? Was she making the blanks herself? If so, that's dangerous and completely unnecessary. The pros I've seen interviewed say that there are companies in CA that make blanks, dummy bullets and other products specifically for the movie, tv, entertainment industry. They're the experts, you buy the products from them. They follow industry standards for making and marking these products so people on the set can tell quickly which is a real item.

    This person sounds totally unqualified. While I shouldn't judge from appearances, the many photos of her posing with guns also seems unprofessional. She seems more of a gun nut who likes to play around with and shoot weapons for fun.
     
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    This makes sense to me. There seems to be a public debate between people working in film production about the procedures.

    Some say film production is like a factory line with experts working on different parts. For the actor to verify that the gun is loaded correctly is not their job and would slow down production.

    Others repeat what you have pointed out: anyone involved in touching the weapon should have training. Correct procedures should be followed, including chain of custody.

    Empty real gun?…verified by everyone including the actor that shoots it, & should never be aimed at anyone.

    Live bullets on a movie set? Should not be allowed.
     
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    That's all very well, but when you have three previous gun incidents on the same set, all presumably controlled by the same rookie armorer, you'd think that the team would investigate why this happened and do something about it. THREE times. There were complaints about gun safety on that set, yet it happened again, this time causing a loss of life. No time, budget constraints, etc are not excuses.
     
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    I'd give WSer's more credit than that. I think most people on WS are able to form opinions based on facts and not feelings alone.
     
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    Did she have any kind of licence?
    I ask b/c being a daughter of some famous armourer is not enough credit I think.
    Im asking b/c Im really curious.
     
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    I understand what you're saying but if it is true that other armourers turned down the job because of their concerns about the remit, then that is a red flag and surely producers should have sought out a very experienced armourer for the role. All the more reason to ensure she was up to this particular job.

    Even before Rust went into production, a number of armorers turned down the gig citing concerns about the budget of the film and the sheer amount of firearms to be utilized, we hear.

    ‘Rust’ Production Company To Launch Internal Review After Fatal Accident, Possible Prior Incidents & Camera Crew Walkout – Deadline
     
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