Allison Baden-Clay, GENERAL CASE DISCUSSION THREAD -#31

Discussion in 'Allison Baden-Clay General Discussion Threads' started by SoSueMe, May 18, 2012.

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  1. BJsleuth

    BJsleuth New Member

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    I'd wonder if scientific police would be necessary just to find a passport though.

    From the same link I posted:

    "Several police cars, including scientific police and detectives from State Crime Operation Command's Homicide Squad, have arrived at the Baden-Clay family home on Brookfield Rd.

    Police have moved the media away before several cars arrived at 6.25pm."

    I think it's more than that. JMO
     


  2. Mani

    Mani New Member

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    These photos are taken of the northern side of the bank i.e. they are on the right hand side of the bridge as you are facing Mt Crosby.

    In one of the photos you can see roof tiles, which one member remembers seeing in one of the photos taken at the time the body was found and published by the media.

    It is quite a drop from the concrete pile cap on the bank down to the mud.

    These photos were taken during high tide.

    The bank flattens out under the bridge and it is quite steep at the northern end near the large tree.
     

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  3. Mani

    Mani New Member

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    These photos are taken on the southern side of the bank where Allison was found.

    The Brisbane River is not very far away, approx 200 metres. The ground has been slashed, presumably to allow access to the site where the body was found and there is a pile of cut bushes/trees under the bridge.

    For our American and interstate friends who don't know the area and can't see the density of the undergrowth, we took some photos of the scrub (undergrowth) to the northern side of the flat cleared area (that you can drive a car onto). This undergrowth would have covered all of the cleared bank and made it extremely difficult to access the edge of the creek from the roadway, especially in the dark of night IMO
     

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  4. possumheart

    possumheart Well-Known Member

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    It has really grown back up. Is that marijuana?
     
  5. Fuskier

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    MANI. Thank you for these photos. They are very helpful to us websleuthers. They provide a visual of the areas being talked about. IMO it looks manageable to be able to get under the bridge to me - especially for those with scouting skills. What was it like when actually there? Also it looks like a car would be able to park there next to the bridge. What was it like actually there?
     
  6. marlywings

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    Ooh I just went to look into "scientific police" to see if there's any distinction between that & forensics dept. Scientific comes under the umbrella of Forensics....but looky here...

    Scientific Section

    The Scientific Section is an operational support section within the Forensic Services Branch. It provides a support service for the operational areas of the Police Service, for the courts of law and for the community of the state of Queensland.

    Personnel

    The operational personnel within the Scientific Section are sworn members of the Police Service and they possess appropriate tertiary qualifications. They provide a twenty four hour on-call service. The section is continually upgrading education and training programs to ensure that appropriately trained and qualified personnel are available to assist in investigations. At present, all sworn staff at the section require a Science degree. Once at the section, trainees are expected to enrol in the Masters of Science, Forensic Science course available through Griffith University. On completion of this degree and other internal training requirements, automatic progression through to Sergeant level has been approved by the Board of Management.

    Staff members are employed in the Document Examination Unit and the Analytical Services Unit. These staff are employed as Administrative Officers and Professional Officers respectively. Both units employ university graduates and have internal training programs. It is hoped that in future these training programs will be linked with the Masters in Science program

    http://www.police.qld.gov.au/Resour...orensic Services Organisational Structure.pdf
     
  7. Mani

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    Here are some more from the southern bank (which is the bank nearest the Brisbane River).

    In the photo called view down northern bank very steep - you can see four main pylons.

    The two in the background have their pile cap visible (it is the concrete block/base at the bottom of the pylons), they are mid stream, however you will notice that the two pylons in the foreground have their base underwater.

    When we saw the photos that the media published, you can clearly see the concrete base of the pylons in the foreground is visible/above water line. Hence, there was more mud and more of the bank visible than today.IMO
     

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  8. possumheart

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    Did you get grass and clay on your shoes?
     
  9. Thinking

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    Thanks possum, yes I meant that the perpetrator(s) may have "cleaned" the scene of blood etc at the time, although I do think that thorough tests would have even done when the house was a crime scene, so I could be on the wrong track here, not sure.
     
  10. me 2

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    Hi all, what about painting the cross with beautiful sunflowers? this would look great.jmo
     
  11. BJsleuth

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    Respectfully snipped. Ohhh bingo! It could be a fake passport then.
     
  12. Dodo

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    Wow Mani, this picture has a 'magical' quality to it, I couldn't stop looking at it. Thank you soo much. X
     
  13. BreakingNews

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    I think I saw the caterpillar.
     
  14. marlywings

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    From that same link...

    Document Examination Unit

    Forensic document examination is concerned with the identification of writer/s and authentication of documents (genuine or otherwise) as a result of the examination and comparison of questioned and specimen documents. The types of such examination, among others, include handwriting, signatures, printed documents such as cheques and licences, typewriting, ink, paper and security paper, impressions of handwriting, alterations, substitutions, sequence of entries and relative age of
    documents, erasures, rubber stamp/seal impressions, re-construction of torn
    documents and decipherment of, obliterated, faded, charred/burnt documents. The scope of this field is extensive and includes examination of documents and material objects involving offences such as fraud, forgery, stalking, homicide, missing persons, sexual offences, extortion, terrorism and identity related offences, drug, and graffiti.

    Analytical Services Unit

    The Analytical Services Unit provides police with support services in the area of trace chemical evidence analysis, examination and reporting. The unit comprises five (5)
    Forensic Scientists trained in the examination of trace evidence including fire debris for accelerant residues, paints and polymers, glass, firearm discharge residues, lachrymatory agents (OC spray and tear gas) and explosive residues. To analyse these evidence types, the Unit utilises state-of-the-art analytical techniques requiring the use of scientific instruments such as Gas Chromatography/ Mass Spectrometry (GCMS), High Performance Liquid Chromatography, Optical, Polarised Light and Scanning Electron Microscopy and glass refractive index measurement (GRIM).

    http://www.police.qld.gov.au/Resour...orensic Services Organisational Structure.pdf
     
  15. Fuskier

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    MANI the clothing seen in pic 4 of 4 does that mean something?
     
  16. Rational

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    Totally OT but:floorlaugh:
     
  17. angel1

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    In photo number 2 ....Is it possible that Allison could have been carried to where the drop is, put down on the ground and then pushed from there ( as in rolled) to the position she was in when found?? Sorry if it's a stupid question but that's just a thought that i had seeing that photo
     
  18. Mani

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    Possum it's like it has been mown down under the bank. Prior to clearing it would have been dense vegetation. It would have warranted lots of scratches IMO. There is a bit of rubbish too; water bottles, maccas etc., and the creek does not look very clean.
     
  19. KG1

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    In an earlier post, threads back, I posted that it was my belief that they were looking for blood and using luminol to detect the blood. Shows up in the dark - hence the lights on and off and the torches. Think that was the day of the arrest, 13 June, but not positive.
     
  20. BJsleuth

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    If she was hogtied as rumoured, she could have been lowered into position under the bridge by looping a longer rope around whatever was used to tie her up and with two people doing it, there's no need to tie it on. It could be done by one using some kind of hook also.
     
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