Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #43

Discussion in 'Allison Baden-Clay General Discussion Threads' started by SoSueMe, May 18, 2012.

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  1. DrWatson

    DrWatson Verified Thoracic and Vascular Surgeon

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    I also saw the story on 60 Minutes. The similarities also struck me.

    However, there is one HUGE difference - a body!

    Also, we have motive, opportunity, injuries to GBC, statements from multiple witnesses re screams, yells, etc.

    Susan Neill-Fraser had NONE of those. And the whole theory about the wrench was just that - a theory. Yet she was convicted, and apparently has so far lost two appeals.

    I can't quite fathom exactly on what basis she was convicted, apart from the lies she told, and the perception of lack of emotion etc. But that's not hard evidence... it's not even circumstantial evidence.

    No body, no weapon, no motive that we know of, not even any clue as to how she supposedly got out to the yacht and back, or how she wrestled the supposed body up the gangways and over the edge.

    With Allison (to bring it back on track), we have a completely different, and IMHO more convincing set of circumstantial evidence, plus a body.

    Awkward....
     


  2. just desserts

    just desserts New Member

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    Hi Alioop
    I looked at the supporters Page as well. I also just had a look at other news articles about it and I think there is a lot more to it. She told a friend that she wanted to kill her partner, throw him overboard and weight his body down at sea! The 60 mins story wasn't very thorough!
     
  3. DrWatson

    DrWatson Verified Thoracic and Vascular Surgeon

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    You may well be right, JD. Although I thought 60 Minutes DID present both sides of the arguments - which they have been guilty of NOT doing in the past.

    Obviously, they haven't had the benefit of the combined sleuthing power of everyone on here yet... ;) :rocker:
     
  4. just desserts

    just desserts New Member

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    Hi Doc, I wasn't trying to compare the cases at all. I was just watching 60 mins and was intrigued by the case, that's all. I thought other sleuths would be interested in watching it
     
  5. Tishy

    Tishy Liar, liar, pants on fire

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    I think that comment also shows the depth of her hurt and vulnerability.
     
  6. SoapOnARope

    SoapOnARope New Member

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    Couldn't agree more. But GBC is stuck now... Imagine he were to come clean on the obvious circumstantial.."yes we had a fight... It got physical... I hit her....she scratched me....she stormed out....AND.... WELL, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED TO HER AFTER THAT... NO REALLY..."

    I'd reckon the noose would readied quicker than quick!

    If (and it's a huge IF in MOO) he really is innocent, he has made a huge mistake in not being helpful and straight from the get go.
     
  7. Strangeworld

    Strangeworld Well-Known Member

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    Who's looking forward to tomorrow? :gavel:

    ME!!!
     
  8. SoapOnARope

    SoapOnARope New Member

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    Any ideas on the witnesses up tomorrow?
     
  9. TootsieFootsie

    TootsieFootsie Well-Known Member

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    Wasn't it her brother that she was supposed to have said she wanted to get rid of that way.

    Just googled and didn't see before that she was supposed to have plotted to kill her husband 10 years previously.

    I think I'd forgotten that she was supposed to have plotted against her husband but I have read quite a bit about the case, followed the trial and read every news article I could find online and I'm not convinced of her guilt.




     
  10. Couldbe

    Couldbe New Member

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    ........... and all the frantic phoning that went on with NBC phoning GBC at 7.45am, 8.01am, 8.02am, 8.03am, 8.50am 8.51am (while connected to Telstra Brookfield tower)
    ..... this was following NBC's initial call to GBC at 6.56am (when connected to the Telstra Kenmore tower)

    - the half-hour gap following this first call needs an explanation, as the drive from NBC's house to GBC's house would only take 5 mins.

    - the succession of calls by NBC to GBC 7.45am, 8.01am, 8.02am presumably are when NBC is at the home looking after the children while GBC is out driving the streets' - following his 7.15am 000 call to report Allison missing. What were these calls about? e.g. have you found her?/have you found her?/have you found her?
    More likely getting some 'facts' sorted......even though at this point, Allison WAS ONLY MISSING!

    BUT:
    - at 7.19am GBC phoned OW
    - at 7.35am GBC phoned Allison
    - at 7.39am GBC phoned OW
    (don't know where OW was (don't know if she was with NBC at GBC's home).

    ..... no more GBC calls until 9.51 when he phoned a Gold Coast number (probably his Solicitor).
     
  11. Strangeworld

    Strangeworld Well-Known Member

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    No idea on witnesses for tomorrow. I wonder about the following:

    -TM
    -BC family members?
    -any more friends/family of Allison's
    -hairdresser
    -police officers/investigators
    -Century 21 staff
    -the head of C21 (can't remember his name - the one who loaned money to GBC/the business)
     
  12. jojo85

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    Has anyone noticed that when Const Ash arrived, he observed a blue sedan which it seems OW used to take the girls to school. When the senior detectives arrived later, Senior Sgt Curtis observed a beige 4WD and by this time OW was back and no mention of a blue sedan. Have I got that correct and is it significant?
     
  13. just desserts

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    She wanted to kill her brother because of an inheritance issue but then
    told her friend a few yrs later that she wanted to kill her partner because he was mean with money. I haven't had a lot of time to delve into it any further, not yet anyway
     
  14. ActusReus

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    The successful prosecution of Neill-Fraser, and subsequent appeal dismissals have given the DPP greater confidence to launch prosecutions in cases where the evidence is all circumstantial. Several arrests in cold cases followed just weeks after her appeal dismissal.

    I suspect there are now a few nervous people who thought they had got away with the perfect crime......
     
  15. TootsieFootsie

    TootsieFootsie Well-Known Member

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    I want to hear more about, guess what.....

    The goings on at the roundabout :fence:
     
  16. Fuskier

    Fuskier Well-Known Member

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    Jojo85 - if this is so, then this could be significant. Good sleuthing there. She may have gone somewhere else and changed cars? She knew the Police were at GBC's house from earlier that morning. Did she want the blue sedan out of the way? Interesting.
     
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    marlywings Former Member

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    I'm certainly looking forward to it, however I'd be looking forward to it a heck of a lot more if it was live streamed online ;)
     
  18. TootsieFootsie

    TootsieFootsie Well-Known Member

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    Wish I could be a fly on the wall.
    I'd be very quiet (to avoid a spray can or rolled up newspaper) and would take a tiny fly sized ipad which has an amazing ability to see through my little fly eyes and would have a live stream to WS :)
     
  19. marlywings

    marlywings Former Member

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    Thought I'd share, what I think is a great quote, that I read in Jennifer Ramsaran thread earlier.

    "Forensics helps develop the facts of the case. But interviews and witnesses give you the conclusions of who did the crime." ~ Gary Hompland
     
  20. Fascinatedsleuth

    Fascinatedsleuth New Member

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    Still catching up and thank you for supplying the info!!!!

    Referring to Dr Bevan's statement:

    What person, whose spouse has been declared a missing person for 24 hours, declines/silences calls on their mobile? Doctor appointment or not, I know I would be willing that phone to ring day and night with news.
     
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