Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #47

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  1. SoSueMe

    SoSueMe Former Member

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    Gerard Bayden-Clay has been arrested and charged with the murder of Allison Bayden-Clay


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    Please continue here....
     
  6. Strangeworld

    Strangeworld Active Member

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    Wow - could I really be first in the trial thread :)

    I just wanted to comment on what details re the counsellor may be examined. I have no idea about her credentials, skills, etc, but considering both sides of the trial will want to highlight something that favours their arguments, here are some thoughts:

    -confidentiality - if she spoke with GBC and Allison separately, was anything disclosed that shouldn't have been
    -counsellor notes - inconsistencies, judgements/interpretations of both GBC and Allison
    -timelines and history of relationship
    -nature of the relationship - how did GBC and Allison describe it, any mention of any form of abuse, threats, etc
    -Allison's response to finding out about the affair and how she was dealing with this
    -disclosure of financial difficulties - would be so curious to hear if GBC mentioned financial stress in his session
    -counsellor's views of GBC and Allison - state of mind, stress, coping skills, threats of self or other harm, depression, etc
    -counselling plan - was there a schedule of appts made, were they intending to see counsellor together or separately?
    -did the counsellor have a supervisor that discussed the case with her?
    -were there other counsellors that GBC and Allison had seen?
    -was separation or divorce discussed - what did GBC and Allison want - to work on the marriage or work on ending the marriage (and did they both want the same thing)

    I'm sure there are heaps more - these are just off the top of my head right now.

    What I really would lllloooovvvvee to know is if the counsellor sessions were part of GBC's plan - did he know when he spoke with the counsellor what he was about to do?
     
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    Good question: the question of intent to murder.
    Were plans already in place when he spoke with the Counsellor?

    :judge:
     
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    I thought those calls were like a forwarding service so if someone rang the office number it was forwarded on to GBC
     
  9. Couldbe

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    Maigret ..... this could very well explain the calls (and the diverted calls could be cross-referenced), and maybe Telstra would have the evidence who of that caller(s) telephone number(s). If GBC was attending his phone (along with 'worrying' about Allison, etc), it would have left little time for 'sh..ting and shaving' as he put it. What a conundrum .... but in fact better than having nothing for Detectives to work through.
     
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    In his interview with the attending Police, GBC told them "we've been to a couple of different counsellors....."; "... We, Allison was comfortable with this woman, was keen for me to meet her-- ...".''
    ..... Wonder if any other Counsellors will give evidence as well.
     
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    Maigret ...... I now think that early morning calls from 19 April (day before Allison was reported missing by Gerard) are probably irrelevant / do not relate to his activities on the morning of the 20th (day GBC reported Allison missing).
     
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    A bit like boy scout founder Baden-Powell. He was not innocent in the scouting movement.
     
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    Yes, a bit of an education in that department, to be sure.
    The moral to that story; It's not a matter of what's true that counts, but what is perceived to be true.
     
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    And whilst quoting quotes, and thinking about publicity minded people some of whom, open mouth before mind is in gear, and have done a bit of public speaking, (so it should be easy):
    “The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one’s real and one’s declared aims, one turns, as it were, instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish squirting out ink.” George Orwell
     
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    To clarify a couple of questions asked in the previous thread, GBC cannot be forced to testify in his own defence but if he does he will be cross examined by the prosecution. I bet my money that his lawyers will not let him testify as it is too great a risk to his credibility. Remember that he does not have to prove innocence, rather the prosecution has to prove guilt.
    If found guilty of murder whether he pleads guilty or is found guilty, he would still face mandatory life imprisonment in jail. Because Allison died prior to the current QLD government increasing the term of a life sentence, life for GBC, if convicted of murder would be 15 years. It's now 20 years by the way for a single murder, more if it is a police officer murdered.

    As to when to go watch the trial, I think any time would be good. I would like to hear the prosecutions opening statement and hear their witnesses give evidence.
     
  18. BreakingNews

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    Thanks Alioops. Great to have you clarify the legal aspects for us. :jail:
    BTW, didn't we dub Allison an honorary police officer???
     
  19. they'll get you

    they'll get you CHRIS. P. BACON

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    Breaking you made me realise that Allison is the super sleuth here because without the trail she left this crime could have a totally different ending. If Allison hadn't left her scratches or her blood in the car he could have got clean away with it.
    Mega sad Allison lost her life in this horror BUT I'm going to praise the girl for getting those claws into that RHS cheek and she left some good grazing on that torso of his, they sure looked like kick marks to me. She left the evidence for constable ASH.
     
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    I suppose if his motive was 'to to sell Alison's beach property and use her life insurance payout to set up house with Tony', yet G entered into an agreement with the counsellor to proceed in a different direction from that - could that be the crux of the defence strategy?

    Would the fact that he was sneakily selling Allison's assets after her death be seen as a character flaw? Especially when his inlaws were raising money for the kid's education? His character is going to sink him in front of a Jury!! Thank God he is where he is. MOO
     
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    A matter I have been considering between April 2012 and now...

    And this is no way meant dis-respectively to Allison Dickie;

    I wonder how many ladies are murdered by their philandering partners, and get away with it. Bottom line being: the conscience is seared as with a hot iron. (No true live feelings left)
    This has nothing to do with the financial aspect. That is another matter entirely.

    I am not a really truly crime follower, but I did follow the Simon Gittany saga, and noticed the incredible similarities. Got nothing to with public interest either.

    Here is a part list: Am sure it can be elaborated upon...

    Seems to fit in with a Narcissist (with which unfortunately I am familiar)

    He seems to:
    Need to be seen as attractive to the opposite sex. Therefore can't be that bad eh? Almost funny joke type stuff huh? Nothing serious here.
    Need to be seen as innocent at all costs. (Employ actors if necessary; Get 'em to shed a tear or two, publically and on camera; and appear dis-consolate. Making sure to establish her belief in POI's absolute innocence!)
    No apparent feelings or any show of concern were ever apparent for the deceased.
    Apparent thoughts that this "wee little" episode will blow over soon and be soon forgotten were evident though.
    Thoughts of financial gain and publicity were entwined somewhere in the equation. (Any publicity is good publicity; Right?)
    In GBC's case, I was personally completely blown away that he did not participate in the search for Allison. Neither did any of his family.
    Even without the claw marks to his face, or any other bruising marks, and his weird apparently "couldn't care less" attitude as to the fate of his "beloved wife":
    Plus the ridiculous squeaky interview trying real hard to squeeze out a tear (but instead momentarily forgot about matter at hand, and took the opportunity for a quick peek at bosom of lovely female interviewer. *Boobs*)
    The fact that he allowed others to search desperately, whilst he continued with what he said was "Business as usual":
    That was very telling. V-E-R-Y telling. (But I expect that doesn't stand up in Court.)
    His innocence is all important. Not that "Justice will be served." Not that "Her killer will be found."
    Nothing at all in fact about "her killer"; Then tout the suicide line. And press and enforce that. At all costs. Suicide and the reasons and especially the method. (Even chuck a few empty Zoloft packets around for added visual effects.)
    (Should clarify remark about not looking for missing wife: I would have been shocked and confused, had he looked interested in looking at all, or even providing support for the searchers; as I had already pegged him for a liar; Nothing more.)
     
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