Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #47

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Hi everyone! I am newly registered, but have been following for some time. Some of your posts are just amazing!

To the best of my recollection, little has been mentioned about GBC's sleep apnea machine, which he allegedly slapped on to his nose after leaving Alison watching the Footie show. Allegedly, he then slept until morning. It is my understanding that such machines record when they are turned, the duration of sleep etc. etc..

Perhaps Dr. Watson could help here.
 
Hi everyone! I am newly registered, but have been following for some time. Some of your posts are just amazing!

To the best of my recollection, little has been mentioned about GBC's sleep apnea machine, which he allegedly slapped on to his nose after leaving Alison watching the Footie show. Allegedly, he then slept until morning. It is my understanding that such machines record when they are turned, the duration of sleep etc. etc..

Perhaps Dr. Watson could help here.

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Welcome to WS, volunteer!!

Great point you make about the sleep apnea machine.....I didn't know they recorded info. Good to know!!:seeya:
 
Hi everyone! I am newly registered, but have been following for some time. Some of your posts are just amazing!

To the best of my recollection, little has been mentioned about GBC's sleep apnea machine, which he allegedly slapped on to his nose after leaving Alison watching the Footie show. Allegedly, he then slept until morning. It is my understanding that such machines record when they are turned, the duration of sleep etc. etc..

Perhaps Dr. Watson could help here.

:welcome5: Volunteer. The sleep apnea machine was discussed in an earlier thread and thank you for mentioning it again. It would be dependent on whether GBC's machine had data recording capability.

A little more information on CPAP machines.

there are two main types of standard, constant-pressure CPAP machines. The methods used to adjust pressure is dependent upon which type you have. The first type is a non-data-recording machine; the second is a machine that has data-recording capability. You'll need to determine which machine type you have. Data-recording machines usually store patient data that is viewable on the machine itself or via a removable "smart card" or other removable memory device like an "SD memory card" that is readable using a personal computer along with an attached memory card reader. Data-recording machines will record several variables that will help you determine optimum pressure, but the most common measurement is your "Apnea/Hypopnea Index" or "AHI", where the goal is to get your AHI to 5.0 or lower. Non-data-recording machines offer no solid data to use as you adjust for optimum pressure.

BBM.

http://www.apneaboard.com/adjust-cpap-pressure/how-to-find-optimum-pressure-on-cpap
 
I agree that TMH was clutching at something that wasn't there. She wouldn't take no for an answer. That seems more like need than love. And sadly, I don't think she will ever work through past adolescence. I heard her at the committal and even then she was in denial that it was over. Can see her now - visiting GBC in prison for the next 15 years, waiting... waiting.:waiting::waiting::waiting:

I guess in sisterhood we should be feeling sorry for this poor lost soul. Then again, maybe not.

Hi everyone! I am newly registered, but have been following for some time. Some of your posts are just amazing!

To the best of my recollection, little has been mentioned about GBC's sleep apnea machine, which he allegedly slapped on to his nose after leaving Alison watching the Footie show. Allegedly, he then slept until morning. It is my understanding that such machines record when they are turned, the duration of sleep etc. etc..

Perhaps Dr. Watson could help here.

Welcome volunteer, I've recently read through TMcH statements & she made a point of not seeing the sleep apnea machine when she SLEPT/slithered with GBC in ALLISONS HOME when Allison was away with the children. Oh but, it's OK she didn't sleep in the main bedroom!
TMcH also noticed there were no bedding in the lounge room were GBC said he slept because he said he wasn't sleeping with Allison. Oh paleeese!
SISTERHOOD isn't in somes vocabulary
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Hi everyone! I am newly registered, but have been following for some time. Some of your posts are just amazing!

To the best of my recollection, little has been mentioned about GBC's sleep apnea machine, which he allegedly slapped on to his nose after leaving Alison watching the Footie show. Allegedly, he then slept until morning. It is my understanding that such machines record when they are turned, the duration of sleep etc. etc..

Perhaps Dr. Watson could help here.

Hi Volunteer, and welcome :)

This was discussed WAYYYY back somewhere, and my 2-cents worth was that we don't know what type of CPAP machine it was.

Some record the data, some don't. I'm sure that if it WAS the recording type of machine, then the police and forensics would be all over it. Given that nothing so far has been mentioned about it in either bail hearing, when they used the phone records and the phone-charging records to make the case for GBC not having slept through the night, then I suspect it's not the data-recording type of machine.

Most sleep apnoea specialists use the data recording types, as they can check on the compliance record of the patient - bit like monitoring the blood sugar in diabetics, or BP in hypertensives. So perhaps this was more of an over-the-counter type of CPAP machine, and didn't have the recording facility?

By the way, I know I shouldn't use acronyms without explaining them, so CPAP = Constant Positive Airway Pressure. It's pronounced see-pap
 
Id' be very surprised if Gerard gave even a passing glance at his CPAP machine that night. It was go, go, go all night. Deal with Toni re her fury at the nerve of Alison to be going to the very same conference , take stuff to mum and dads for the kids, get home, go thru the bills in the post, let Alison have her 15 mins vent re Toni, murder Alison, run in circles, undress and re dress Alison, speed off to the Kholo bridge, speed back home, remember something and speed back to the bridge, accidentally ring Dad, shower, shave , do emails on the lavatory (!), make school lunches, ring Alisons phone, ring the police... snoring would have been the least of it.
 
Obviously.. he didn't put the CPAP on, he didn't need to... the one person who complained about his snoring was dead.
 
Obviously.. he didn't put the CPAP on, he didn't need to... the one person who complained about his snoring was dead.

Would he have a CRAP machine in gaol? Is that allowed, is it a life long necessity? Would a loud snorer be an aggravation to other prisoners as I've heard some can sound like 747s. Hope it helps him there as he may get the CPAP beaten out of him.
 
from your lips to Gods ears, they'llget you..

In one of the transcripts for the affidavits,.. I think it was a partner in the business who went on a conference with Gerard to Sydney.... he was permanently gobsmacked at the intensity and volume of Gerards snoring.

You'd think that would be so offputting, wouldn't you??? maybe Gerard didn't hang about for long after his extracurricular activities... and we know why, ey?
 
I have some experience with CPAP therapy. It is a treatment for sleep apnea (and snoring) but not a cure.

Usually once diagnosed, the patient needs to use it for life unless the reason for sleep apnea is due to obesity where weight loss may help. Sometimes surgical intervention and oral appliances are tried with limited success, but cpap therapy is the preferred 'gold standard' treatment for sleep apnea.

In my experience, all cpap machines these days record the sleep therapy data.

Typically recording parameters include start time, end time, any breaks in between, the pressure the machine has been running at plus Sleep Apnea events (defined as stopping breathing for 10 seconds or more)

Often flow data will also be recorded (breathing cycle) and with Auto CPAP (APAP) machines, the pressure will vary as required to treat sleep apnea and snoring, and would be more obvious when actual sleep and waking events occurs rather than just usage.

CPAP therapy becomes second nature and using it every time during sleeping is essential and habitual. So if GBC used it every night and did not on the night in question, that would raise alarm bells and be more circumstantial evidence.

I can't comment on prison use, but I think it would be permitted, as it is a medical condition that can be potentially life threatening if untreated. I assume the prison authorities have a duty of care to their 'guests'

For those interested in learning more about this condition, please visit Sleep Disorders Australia (SDA) which is a charitable organisation run by volunteers who help sufferers and their families nationwide. They have a free information booklet and many Fact Sheets on a range of sleep disorders including sleep apnea, snoring etc available for free download from their website.

Also if you have any questions there is an informative FAQ section on this website.
 
Interesting looking at TM's statement. Their first trysts were when they would drive separately and meet at night on a pitch black road, Mill Road in Pullenvale, not far from Tyamolum Scout Camp and Little Ugly Creek. Dear Doc, you're a local - how many minutes to the Kholo Bridge from there? It must be tricky driving around that way at night unless you've done it a few times, hey? They would have gotten a bit of practise navigating in the five times they met. Maybe they had to go bush because she's a screamer? (Pardon my crudity)
 
Interesting looking at TM's statement. Their first trysts were when they would drive separately and meet at night on a pitch black road, Mill Road in Pullenvale, not far from Tyamolum Scout Camp and Little Ugly Creek. Dear Doc, you're a local - how many minutes to the Kholo Bridge from there? It must be tricky driving around that way at night unless you've done it a few times, hey? They would have gotten a bit of practise navigating in the five times they met. Maybe they had to go bush because she's a screamer? (Pardon my crudity)

Maybe .. lol
 
Interesting looking at TM's statement. Their first trysts were when they would drive separately and meet at night on a pitch black road, Mill Road in Pullenvale, not far from Tyamolum Scout Camp and Little Ugly Creek. Dear Doc, you're a local - how many minutes to the Kholo Bridge from there? It must be tricky driving around that way at night unless you've done it a few times, hey? They would have gotten a bit of practise navigating in the five times they met. Maybe they had to go bush because she's a screamer? (Pardon my crudity)

Poss - Mill Road is over the hill, and through dense bush, almost due north of Kholo Creek. It's about 3Km as the crow flies, but it's very dense bushland between them.

However, there is - I see from the map - a dirt road through the bush, called Powerline Rd leading directly off Mill Rd to - Wirrabara Rd...! Which as you know, is just up the road from Kholo Creek.

However, I'm not sure if there's any connection, other than the fact that GBC would have known that area quite well.

It would appear, from the evidence and from what the charges have said, that the murder occurred at the house. But if he - or somebody - knew that whole area around the scout camp well enough to set up an illicit rendezvous on Mill Rd, he - or somebody - would possibly have thought that tipping a body off Kholo Creek bridge would lead to it floating out into the main Brisbane River and getting washed downstream.
 
I wonder if police have done forensics on the BF phone that SH handed in now that the CMC have finished with it? :waitasec:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...f-any-wrongdoing/story-fnihsrf2-1226788928094

In a bizarre twist, the white Apple iPhone containing the recordings was also the same phone of Dr Flegg's which was lent to accused wife killer Gerard Baden-Clay.

The phone was given to Baden-Clay by the couple in April 2012 after police had seized his mobile as they investigated the disappearance of his wife, Allison.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/woman-to-tell-of-offer-for-mp-to-vacate-seat/story-fnihsrf2-1226664351144

Hmmmm
 
In a bizarre twist, the white Apple iPhone containing the recordings was also the same phone of Dr Flegg's which was lent to accused wife killer Gerard Baden-Clay.

The phone was given to Baden-Clay by the couple in April 2012 after police had seized his mobile as they investigated the disappearance of his wife, Allison.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/woman-to-tell-of-offer-for-mp-to-vacate-seat/story-fnihsrf2-1226664351144

Hmmmm

Thanks Possum. :) I couldn't find that link to save myself, but figured you'd all know what I was on about - which you did. Yay! :)
 
Interesting looking at TM's statement. Their first trysts were when they would drive separately and meet at night on a pitch black road, Mill Road in Pullenvale, not far from Tyamolum Scout Camp and Little Ugly Creek. Dear Doc, you're a local - how many minutes to the Kholo Bridge from there? It must be tricky driving around that way at night unless you've done it a few times, hey? They would have gotten a bit of practise navigating in the five times they met. Maybe they had to go bush because she's a screamer? (Pardon my crudity)

BBM. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:


Possum, according to Google Maps Mill Road is about 13 minutes from Kholo Bridge.

Click images to enlarge.

Mill Road to Kholo Creek
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After having a closer look at the map (I also went for a 'drive' via street view -didn't see a soul). Mill Road isn't very long at all. It starts from Hillcrest Road and then changes into Grandview Road. Note the junction of Mill Road and Centre Road at the bottom of the map below.

Mill Road to Grandview Road
Mill-Rd-to-Grandview-Rd.jpg

There doesn't seem to be anywhere that would be conducive to shagging along Mill Road, (expecially if GBC and TM arrived in separate cars) except for the turnoff from Mill Road into Centre Road, near Pullen Creek. There is a gate across Centre Road (part of the scout camp?) but was it unlocked or even there two years ago? Perhaps GBC had keys to the gates. That wouldn't surprise me at all.

Mill Road and Centre Road
Mill-Rd-and-Centre-Road-near-Pullen-Ck.jpg

I got a slight chill down my spine when I looked at where Centre Road ends. A right turn takes you into Chalcot Road and then another right turn into Mt. Crosby Road! Not oo far along Mt. Crosby Road, and passing Wirrabara Road to the right, you see the approach to the Kholo Creek Bridge.

Powerline Road also commences near Mill Road and Centre Road and it ends at Wirrabara Road. I haven't actually seen these roads but IMO they would be easy to negotiate in a 4WD. I was thinking that GBC may have used one of these roads to either dispose of Allison at the bridge or return to Brookfield after he'd done so. But nup, I think he's too stupid. He went straight through the roundabout and had his photo taken.

Anyway it was an interesting 'drive', although a bit spooky at this time of night. :scared:

Centre Road and Powerline Road
Centre-Road-and-Powerline-Road.jpg
 
Poss - Mill Road is over the hill, and through dense bush, almost due north of Kholo Creek. It's about 3Km as the crow flies, but it's very dense bushland between them.

However, there is - I see from the map - a dirt road through the bush, called Powerline Rd leading directly off Mill Rd to - Wirrabara Rd...! Which as you know, is just up the road from Kholo Creek.

However, I'm not sure if there's any connection, other than the fact that GBC would have known that area quite well.

It would appear, from the evidence and from what the charges have said, that the murder occurred at the house. But if he - or somebody - knew that whole area around the scout camp well enough to set up an illicit rendezvous on Mill Rd, he - or somebody - would possibly have thought that tipping a body off Kholo Creek bridge would lead to it floating out into the main Brisbane River and getting washed downstream.

Snap Doc.
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I could have saved myself the long winded explanation I just posted. :floorlaugh:
 
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