Am I going nuts? Newspaper articles with faces marked over??

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  1. pageantmom

    pageantmom New Member

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    Searched for a thread but didn't find one. Sorry.
    I vividly remember reading something on this forum about newspaper articles.
    But I can't remember all the details.
    Maybe someone can jog my memory.
    What I do remember is the articles were inside the Ramsey home, but not in a bedroom I don't think.lmaybe the kitchen or a study or something?
    The articles were about John Ramsey's company.
    The thing I'm trying to remember was what exactly about them was odd, I seem to remember their were either faces scratched out or names marked through or things circled in red or something very off like that, something that would look like "whoa, who's mad at John?" But they weren't from outside, I mean they were in the home.
    Anyone know what I'm taking about?
     
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  3. Meara

    Meara New Member

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    Here you go --

    from PMPT, Kindle edition, p. 689:

    Meanwhile, when Ramsey as taken through the photos of his home, he claimed to find something out of place in almost every one. More than once, he said that what he saw in the photo was evidence that an intruder had been there.....

    Looking at a photograph taken near his upstairs desk, Ramsey suddenly asked, "What's that, what's that?" Pictured was a copy of a local journal, the Boulder Business Report.Clearly visible on page 1A of the October 1995 issue was a story, "People vs. Profits," that featured photographs of Mary Ellen Vernon, Jirka Rysavy, Jeffre Kohn, and Ramsey, winners of he journal's Esprit awards. Someone had drawn a "NO" over each of the faces except Ramsey's, which had a flower design around it. Startled, Ramsey said he'd never seen that in his house. He had no way to explain it, but it was something out of the ordinary, he told the investigators. He was sure it had been brought in by a stranger. That evening the police remembered that Chris Wolfe, who was a suspect at one time, had worked for the newspaper. He would have to be reinterviewed.
     
  4. Mama2JML

    Mama2JML New Member

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    JR interview, 06.24.98:

     
  5. Mama2JML

    Mama2JML New Member

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    Below is the article in question, published in October of 1995, found at the scene:

    Source: http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-esprit-article.htm

    Original Source: http://bcn.boulder.co.us/business/BCBR/1995/oct/esprit2.html
     
  6. pageantmom

    pageantmom New Member

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    Yay, I'm not crazy. I knew I remember something like that. Very creepy that there was a heart just like on jb hand
     
  7. BOESP

    BOESP Active Member

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    Here's some more on the heart, taken from:

    http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=8651&page=2

    Page 190 NE
    TH: On the 25th, Christmas, when you put JonBenet to bed, did she have any marks on her?
    PR: Not that I noticed.
    TH: Any scratches, cuts, bruises?
    PR: Not that I noticed.
    TH: How about, did she have any marks from markers or anything like that?
    PR: I didn’t notice anything that night when she went to bed. And, you know, I know there was a red heart on her hand or her forehead. I don’t know when that - I mean, you know, I didn’t - I didn’t inspect her when I put her to bed.
    TH: …Would she have washed her hands at a particular time?
    PR: well, at dinner, she rarely washed her hands.

    Jump to page 191 TD: At the Whites, did somebody say, “Oh, here, get ready for dinner?” Did somebody tell her to go wash her hands at the Whites, do you remember anything about that?
    PR: I don’t know.
    TD: How was she about washing her hands?
    PR: Just typical kid, you know, if she can get by with it, she wouldn’t do it.
    TD: How did you know there was a heart on her hand?

    At this point, Patsy made a statement that seemed incredibly incriminating. She claimed to have seen the red heart found drawn in ink on the left hand of her slain daughter. She said she saw it on the morning of December 26th but JonBenet’s body wasn’t found until the afternoon. Later she would change her story.

    PR: Because it was on there in the morning, that’s why.
    TD: And you remember it from the next morning?
    PR: Uh huh.

    Jump to page 192/193 -
    TD: There was something regarding that you would draw a smiley face when she was feeling down to perk her up. What would your reaction be to that?
    PR: That I would do it?
    TD: Yes.
    PR: I don’t remember doing that.
    TD: What was your reaction when you saw that heart on her hand?
    PR: Well, I just thought Daphne must have done it or something, you know, they were playing the night before. You know - you know, my mind ran things out. But Santa Claus made a point the night that he was at our house at the party and was, you know, reading this dialogue that I had written up, and then her told this story about, you know, how Christmas should be Christmas all the time, all year long. And he said “And where is Christmas when it’s not really Christmas?” something like that…and he pointed to JonBenet. And she said in her heart. Point. That was a pretty good little heart, you know, I mean - pretty well drawn.

    TD: Okay

    Jump ahead to page 194
    Patsy now changes her story about seeing the heart drawn on JonBenet’s hand.

    PR:…I think that I read somewhere talking about the heart on her hand. And truthfully, I can’t - I am having trouble distinguishing whether I have read about that or whether I actually saw that. I just recently read parts of the autopsy report, and I believe that was on there. And I just, you know, now I have a picture of a heart on her hand and I can’t remember whether I actually saw it or-
    TRIP DEMUTH: Let me ask you this. Do you remember what color it was? Is there a color that you recall?
    PR: No I just see a red heart in my mind.
    TD: But you don’t know if you read it?
    PR: No…just to be perfectly fair, to say that I saw it on her.
     
  8. txsvicki

    txsvicki Active Member

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    Just a thought here... Throughout the crime there were quotes from movies in the note and other similarities to the Bible, a book, and another long ransom note. Are there any movies or dramatic stories that have mens faces marked out or objects drawn onto palms?
     
  9. SweetT

    SweetT Active Member

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    My little grand daughter was always drawing stuff on her grandpas work papers at his desk, He finally had to get her her own desk with markers and pens and stuff to keep her from drawing on all of his work papers. I think it is possible that this is what happened with this paper. Only my grand daughter wasnt afraid to get in trouble for it so she didnt try to hide anything. If JonBenet thought she would get in trouble for it, she may have not told anyone and tried to hide it. Seems plausible to me.

    She could mark out faces that were not her dad because well dad is the best one in her opinion and the hearts on the other guy could be because she had met him and liked him or even thought he was ok for some reason.
     
  10. deca

    deca New Member

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    JMO but since the marked out faces article was in a file and the article was probably originally read in 1995 I lean towards in not having any direct relation to anything important. Most likely someone had been doodling on it. JMO

    The only thing it could mean- the folder being out on the desk- was that the Rs were looking through things trying to find uh..suspects..to bring forward or a reference to mention in the ransom note. MOO
     
  11. FreeSafety36

    FreeSafety36 Another Brick in The Wall

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    If Patsy did indeed read about the heart, rather than actually see it, what would make her think it was "pretty well drawn"?

    I also find interesting that when she was asked if she recalled a color, she said "no" then immediately stated that she just sees "a RED heart" in her mind. Interesting that when asked if she recalls a color, her immediate reaction is to say that she doesn't, yet before she even finishes that thought, she admits that she not only "sees" a color of the heart in her mind, but she sees the correct color the heart was drawn with.

    Sure sounds to me like Patsy tried to consciously deny what she knew, while subconsciously revealing way more than she realized.
     
  12. ATasteOfHoney

    ATasteOfHoney Active Member

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    ...just a little thought:

    If JBR was right handed, then she could have drawn that heart on her left hand herself. If she was a "south paw", she could have drawn it on her right hand herself.

    Consequently, if she were a righty and the heart was on the right hand, more than likely someone else drew it on her.

    Does anyone know if JBR was righty or lefty (I think she was old enough for this to be ascertained) and which hand was the heart found on?
     
  13. DeeDee249

    DeeDee249 New Member

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    If you saw a red heart drawn on your little girl's hand and she was later murdered, you would NOT be confused as to whether you saw it or read about it. You would know whether or not you saw it. The likely truth is that Patsy saw it when she was staging the body. JB was playing with her friend the White's daughter at the party that day. Kids draw on themselves all the time, One good way of finding out whether this happened at the White's would be to ASK the White's daughter whether she and JB did this. That would be simple, no? But it seems as I read the depos that LE never did this. I can't imagine LE not interviewing all the party guests, even the kids. But they may not have done so, or the guests may have refused (or refused to allow their kids) to talk to police.
     
  14. txsvicki

    txsvicki Active Member

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    It was ridiculous of John to say that she wouldn't draw a heart in her palm. Anyone with girls should know they do things like that.
     
  15. gramcracker

    gramcracker Indentured Cat Servant

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    PR screwed up twice in the '98 interview posted above. 1- the first day of the interview she said she saw the heart the next morning, revealing that she saw JB during the time she was supposedly a missing kidnap victim. 2- the second day of the interview she tried to backtrack and say she read about the heart in the AR, while JR was saying in his interviews that they did not see or read the AR
     
  16. arielilane

    arielilane Justice for Morgan

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    This is only my opinion, but I have always felt that PR was the person that put the heart on JonBenet's hand as a way of saying good bye with love to her daughter. Especially after she basically bragged about how " pretty well drawn" it was.
     
  17. pageantmom

    pageantmom New Member

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    If I recall correctly Caylee Anthony was found with tape over her mouth and there was a heart drawn on it over her mouth.
     
  18. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    It wasn't drawn on the tape. A latent print specialist with the FBI discovered adhesive residue, in the shape of a heart, on the (non-sticky) outside of the duct tape. They theorized that it might have been residue from a heart shaped sticker.
     
  19. Meara

    Meara New Member

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    Once Patsy said it was a "pretty good little heart," she lost any chance of undoing her lies by claiming that her memory of seeing it was impaired by shock or sedatives.
     
  20. DeeDee249

    DeeDee249 New Member

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    This was so long ago that I do not recall where I read it, but some long-time posters here may remember it. I had read that Patsy said that she and JB used to draw a heart in each other's hands as a symbol for "My heart is in your hands".

    Anyone else here remember this?
     
  21. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    I don't recall those words exactly, but I do recall reading that Patsy used to draw a heart in JB's hand. I think that was mentioned in ST's book.

    What's odd is that, if she drew this particular heart, why would she say that it was "a pretty good little heart"? She wouldn't say that if she herself drew it, and it doesn't look like a heart drawn by an adult. To me, it's almost as though she was admiring the art work of one of her children. Which is exactly what it was, imo.
     

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